2010 Lexus GX460 Consumer Reports

So what people are saying is that it is unsafe because Toyota has failed to design a traction control and stability control system that completely safeguards against the risk of driving a heavy, luxurious SUV like a hoon through corners.
They do the same test for all SUVs. The Lexus GX was the only one that behaved this way. Trailing throttle oversteer, within limits, can be fun in a sports car. It isn't fun or safe in a top-heavy SUV.

Consumer Reports isn't picking on Toyota. This is a safety issue that Toyota can and should address.

On dozens of other S.U.V.’s tested by the magazine, the vehicles’ electronic stability control system detected and quickly stopped the slide. But the stability control didn’t stop the GX 460 until it was almost sideways, Mr. Champion said.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/consumer-reports-says-lexus-gx-460-is-unsafe/?hp
 
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I don't think CR is on the bash Toyota bandwagon. I heard about this during the lunch hour news cast. They did say the 2010 Toyota 4Runner which the GX460 is based on is NOT affected and tested ok.

Lexus, rather Toyota, has issued a "stop sale" on the GX460.
Toyota to stop selling Lexus GX 460 SUV - Autos- msnbc.com

I don't remember or recall when Toyota lifted the stop sale on the models affected by the sticky gas pedal. Toyota has already begun selling '11 Camrys, we're not even at the half way mark for 2010.
 
To everyone wagging their finger and sighing, saying things like "just another nail in Toyota's coffin". Please explain exactly what it is they failed at here?

This vehicle has passed all regulations and standards to which it is held, before it went on sale. One publication, CR, has decided, in their subjective opinion, that it behaves in an unacceptable manner under certain conditions (like when driving a large SUV like a moron through a sweeping curve, way fast, without touching the brakes) and suddenly they have set a new bar of what safe and acceptable is? Must every manufacturer now jump and recall their vehicles to ensure that the meet CR's criteria for safe handling in this instance?

What are the acceptable tolerances for these nanny ESC systems? Do you decide?, do I?, does NHTSA? Consumer Reports?.
Doesnt it seem a wrong that one news media outlet gets to make such a scarring accusation and recommendation that makes national news and sends tongues wagging across the nation of another "Toyota failure", that will cost the Company a fortune to rectify even though there wasnt actually anything wrong and most of the money is spent purely to rectify the negative perception that has been created.

Ugghhh.

To all those worried about their 2010 4Runners, fear not. Its not a major design flaw in the chassis or suspension. The nanny systems in the GX will be recalibrated with new software to be more sensitive (put simply), already sold vehicles will be recalled and updated with the new software and the oversteer 'problem' will be corrected or at least significantly improved, so that Consumer Reports can remove their ridiculous allegation/recommendation.
 
I wonder what the AVS settings were. If they were left on auto mode or if they had been manually regulated to provide a sportier ride or softer ride etc?

On another note this is a real truck with real truck capabilities not a car based SUV. Not many of these left for CR to compare to. I'm also not sure many people will be racing their Lexus SUV around corners. I wonder if this will start to push Toyota to rethink the body on frame concept,or solid rear axel? I hope not.
 
On another note this is a real truck with real truck capabilities not a car based SUV. Not many of these left for CR to compare to. I'm also not sure many people will be racing their Lexus SUV around corners. I wonder if this will start to push Toyota to rethink the body on frame concept,or solid rear axel? I hope not.
Consumer Reports does this same test with every vehicle that they buy. Every one. All of the other vehicles that Consumer Reports tested passed the test, including other Toyota SUVs, including other body-on-frame trucks, including other vehicles with solid rear axles.

There is no reason that a body-on-frame, solid-rear axle Toyota SUV can't pass this test, and, in fact some such vehicles, notably the 4Runner (built on the same frame as the GX460) did pass the test.

This is a simple tuning thing which Toyota got wrong. Toyota already has a fix.

Toyota may move away from body-on-frame, solid rear axle SUVs due to market forces and CAFE. But this contretemps won't be the reason.
 
I heard on the news today that Toyota is doing a re-call and they figured out how to fix the problem, basically up-dating the software on the computer.

They sure did respond quickly, considering it wasn't a government issue re-call. I think they are going out of there way to look responsive to a problem.
 
Sorry for the late post, but I feel this is another way of exploiting Toyota in the media. I would love to see a side by side comparison of the Chevy Suburban, GMC Yukon, and the GX460 in the same test. If there is a difference, then I will take it a bit more seriously. If you are buying a GX460 to take corners at high speeds, I think you better do more research. I don't think the GX460 was made to be a performance vehicle.

Maybe this weekend, I should try taking my parents 1st gen GX470 around a corner at 60 mph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Sorry for the late post, but I feel this is another way of exploiting Toyota in the media. I would love to see a side by side comparison of the Chevy Suburban, GMC Yukon, and the GX460 in the same test. If there is a difference, then I will take it a bit more seriously.
There is a difference. Consumer reports ran dozens of SUVs (including the 5th gen 4Runner) through this same test. Only the GX460 failed.

Watch the video that Toyota released. They show before and after they fixed the ECS tuning.
 
I saw the video that Toyota released. Do you have a link to videos of the other SUV's being tested? I couldn't find any and want to see how they perform.
 
I saw the video that Toyota released. Do you have a link to videos of the other SUV's being tested? I couldn't find any and want to see how they perform.
Ask Consumer Reports. The comparison video (2010 as delivered, versus 2010 with fixed ESC) was not from Consumer Reports, it was from Toyota.

Consumer Reports has addressed many of the questions and comments posted here and elsewhere.
Is ESC left on during tests?
Yes. During emergency handling tests, all safety systems are engaged, including the stability control system.

At what speed is the GX going in the video?
Most vehicles can negotiate the corners of our handling track at about 50 mph. During the testing, however, we will drive faster before and after the corners. In the video, the GX was traveling approximately 60 mph when the throttle is lifted in order to slow the vehicle to make the corner.

Is there a deliberate steering action to induce oversteer?
No. During the normal course of the emergency handling testing, we test for each vehicle's ability to handle several different driver inputs. For instance, one of our tests includes lifting off the throttle in corners to see the vehicle's reaction. The Lexus GX performed poorly when the throttle is lifted in mid-corner. The oversteer was not induced by a steering action; the vehicle was being smoothly steered into the arc of the sweeping corner.

How do other SUVs perform in this test?
Over the years we have tested many SUVs with and without stability control, and we have not experienced such an abrupt and severe oversteer situation. Usually the front tires lose traction first.


What does this test illustrate?
This particular aspect of the test simulates the reaction of a vehicle if a driver enters a sweeping turn, such as an off-ramp, and lifts off the throttle to negotiate the corner. We look for a vehicle to have benign handling characteristics in this test, remaining predictable and controllable through the turn.

Shouldn't drivers be responsible for driving, rather than depend on vehicle electronics to protect them?
Even if the driver obeys the posted limits, that they may need to quickly slow down in a corner due to an obstacle in the road or a traffic backup. Our tests have shown that even vehicles without the protection of vehicle electronics like stability control don't exhibit the oversteer behavior that the GX did.
Finally, many drivers lack the training to counter unexpected oversteer, and properly-calibrated stability control can still do that faster and more effectively than even a trained driver.

How do SUVs do in this test without ESC on?
We do not turn off the stability control system during emergency handling tests of SUVs. When testing sporty vehicles that might be used at a track event or autocross, we will shut off the system to evaluate performance.

How does sliding in this test equate to rollover danger?
Traveling sideways can lead to a tripped rollover if the vehicle goes off the road and hits a curb, a rut, or even digs into soft soil. Tripping in this way is the leading cause of rollover.
Because the GX is a tall SUV with a high center of gravity, we feel the chance of a rollover is greater than with vehicles that are lower to the ground.

How does the Toyota 4Runner do in this test?
We tested the redesigned-for-2010 Toyota 4Runner at the same time as the GX 460. And while it is based on the same platform, it handled very differently. In the same tests, the 4Runner began to plow forward and the stability control quickly slowed the vehicle to maintain control. At no point did the rear of the car slide out.


Should CR issue a "Don't buy" for any vehicle without ESC?
While stability control is a very important safety feature and adds an extra margin of safety in many driving situations, most vehicles without stability control perform far better in our lift-off oversteer test than the GX 460. We will continue to assess vehicles with hands-on emergency handling tests rather than judging them on the mere presence or absence of safety features. The government has mandated that all vehicles have stability control as a standard feature for the 2012 model year.


Consumer Reports Cars Blog: Q&A: Consumer Reports on the Lexus GX 460 test

Consumer Reports is not out gunning for Toyota. Toyota screwed up on this. Consumer Reports identified the issue and reported. Toyota quickly reproduced the problem, acknowledged that it was, in fact, a problem, and is in the process of fixing it.
 
Consumer Reports retested their GX460 after it underwent the recall repair. They report that it now passes their test, and they have removed the GX460 from their "Do Not Buy" list.
 

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