FStephenMasek
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Quentin, I'm not arguing, but if the other companies can develop such engines (no magic needed), Toyota can. They are just refusing to do so.
2014 4Runner
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It is a different animal when you are adapting what is basically an aftermarket supercharger to a naturally aspirated engine. If they were planning on offering a supercharged 1GR from the factory, they'd have no problem doing so and meeting emissions. When they are tied to modifying an engine that was designed to be as efficient and powerful as possible while naturally aspirated, they have some less than ideal boundary conditions to work around. I'm not shocked that emissions are possibly killing the project. It only has the support of TRD engineers rather than the vast powertrain team at TMC. Your examples aren't just a small team messing about with a turbo or S/C on an existing engine... which is pretty much the TRD S/C scenario.
If you are thinking that the '14 4Runner should/could have a factory turbo or S/C, that is a different argument than what Harper is talking about.
FStephenMasek
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Indeed, I'm stating that they need to offer it from the factory, and drop any aftermarket stuff, especially with the high static compression of modern engines. Of course, the V8 for the Lexus is probably on the same assembly line, so refusing to offer it is just obnoxious. Either that, or give the Lexus the 4-Runner tailgate.
1engineer
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High static compression? What?
KCcarguy
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I wouldn't expect a complete drivetrain overhaul on a mid-cycle refresh anyway. As far as the V8 goes, I'm sure Toyota has some well-researched reason for not making it available in the 4runner. Probably low anticipated demand. There are just as many "what kind of MPGs can I expect" threads as "I wish there were a V8 available", if not more. It's just not where most consumer's priorities are these days.
It could be a cost issue as well. Adding a V8 and six-speed may price the 4r too close to the GX.
It's so hard to determine Toyota's thinking on this issue because so many factors are at play. Let's assume they continue the 4Runner/GX as BOF for at least one more generation (hopefully more).
The GX is underpowered at this point compared to it's competition. However the GX sets limits for the 4Runner because it's the upmarket version, the 4Runner is never going to have more power than a GX. SO the current hp level for the 4Runner is about right. Once the GX gets it's powertrain bumped, the 4Runner will again have some room to grow.
I assume the current powertrain situation is a "why spend money now if we don't have too," whereas when the next generatiosn hit they will have already planeed R&D for the new updated powertrains.
Whiplash Willy
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AARRRGGG!!!!
California's Idiot Politicians, and CARB is ruining everything for not only Californians, but now for the rest of us! It used to be that you could buy a non CARB certified car, in other states, and not have to deal with all of that extra emissions junk, and limited engine choices. Now it seems like all cars sold in the US are starting to be CARB Certified, and they are restricting us on our engine choices, and installing alot of expensive failure prone garbage, like the Air Injection System they put on the '13s. I am just waiting for that expensive Air Injection garbage that litters my engine bay to fail, so I can shell out mod money to fix it...
This is the USA....Why can't we have the options that every other country has with their automobiles? Seriously, even Mexico gets a better selection of vehicles then we do....
LandCruiser
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Because we have let our politicians think that they know what's best for us.
If we had our way cars would be rolling death traps and the global warming would send the rising sea levels straight into Kansas.
FStephenMasek
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Ford offered an Explorer with a V8, 6-speed, and IRS in 2006-2010, and I bought one with those things, leather seats, and a trailer package (Eddie Bauer) for just $29,422.53 out the door with sales taxes and license. I then installed a $2,500 navigation and sound system (myself), for a total of $31,922.53, which is $36,200 in today's money.
Toyota could offer a 4-Runner with those things in 2014, but wants the money without offering as much. I'd not mind paying more to buy a Lexus GX if it had a normal tailgate. That side-swinging, and wrong side, tailgate just completely rules-out the Lexus. Again, I do sincerely complement Toyota on even offering such a vehicle as a 2014 model, since the other car makers have abandoned those of us who want a mid-sized rear wheel drive SUV with a large cargo area.
Toyota could offer a 4-Runner with those things in 2014, but wants the money without offering as much. I'd not mind paying more to buy a Lexus GX if it had a normal tailgate. That side-swinging, and wrong side, tailgate just completely rules-out the Lexus. Again, I do sincerely complement Toyota on even offering such a vehicle as a 2014 model, since the other car makers have abandoned those of us who want a mid-sized rear wheel drive SUV with a large cargo area.
Kindly give the average person more credit, and avoid the reference to the "global warming" hoax.
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icsa
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2014 SR5 and Limited at FJ Summit
SR5 in Magnetic Gray (I guess)
Limited in Blizzard Pearl
Photos from TRDParts4u photo stream
SR5 in Magnetic Gray (I guess)
Limited in Blizzard Pearl
Photos from TRDParts4u photo stream
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Curt Sauve
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If I stare at it long enough, maybe I'll learn to like it.
mideastbeast61
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Do you happen to have any rear or interior pics?
KCcarguy
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That SR5 is bad ass! I'm so glad they lost the stupid ground effects!
LandCruiser
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I'm not completely turned off, but I prefer conservative styling for my 4x4s.
Also, seriously, whatever happened to putting bumpers on "off road" vehicles that can't even withstand a 2mph love tap?
Also, seriously, whatever happened to putting bumpers on "off road" vehicles that can't even withstand a 2mph love tap?
It appears in the picture of the SR5 that is is not clad with the silver faux skid plates on the front and rear bumpers. Is this actually the case? If so, that is one thing that I like. Although the overall redesign of the front end will still take some getting used to for me.
scott78945
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As others have said, I think it will need to grow on me. From looking at the SR5 dead on, that's a lot of grill...I don't know, will have to see in person and then decide to upgrade or not....thanks for the pics!
sandcrawler
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i think the scale of that PhotoShop is a little off which makes it deceiving. those tires would have to be enormous to achieve that effect, i think. i'd estimate the front wheels are ~5" outside of the fender. but yeah, completely remove the front end, add aftermarket bumpers, a complete suspension, skids, beadlocks and huge-ass AT or MTs and it looks badass. (what wouldn't?! :lolNow when you take the 2014 Red TE and do this it actually looks really good
pretty sure only the Trail is getting the faux silver bumpers.
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