2016 Tacoma V6 Specs: 270hp/261lb-ft

[Gecko]

Why you guys buy Toyotas is beyond me. Go buy those "powerhouses" you speak of and enjoy! Oh wait... you say you would if they had the reliability, durability and residual value of Toyota? Hey, Toyota has a vehicle that fits every single one of your needs and it's called a Land Cruiser. Don't want to pony up the $85K that is a fair value to get the performance and reliability? Would rather ***** and moan about why they don't make a POS with lots of power and efficiency and terrible reliability? Geez guys, when will you realize that to get what you all want (power, efficiency, reliability, comfort, lots of tech and off road ability) it's gonna cost a lot of money and there are only a few vehicles out there that qualify. I guess it's easier to sit back and whine about it though. Carry on.
Here's a link to a post I did awhile back that fits some of you to a "T." http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/182051-expectations.html

Life's too short. Buy what you want and quit whining. Next thing you know you will be complaining about your Starbucks cup being too small for your cup holder and blaming it on Toyota. Oh wait...

I get the argument that "you can't have it all" and "if you want it all, you have to pay to play" but I don't really think it applies here, personally. For what it's worth, a Land Cruiser is way too big for a lot of people - myself included. I assume you know that.

300hp V6s have been around for the last ten years, and guess who started that trend? Toyota, with the 2GR-FSE (granted it's a Lexus motor). Toyota has stood still while everyone else has quickly moved to lighter materials, more advanced transmissions and engines that are both more powerful and more efficient.

Quite frankly, there's no reason our 4Runners couldn't have a 6AT vs. a 5AT, at least. Is it the end of the world? No, but Jeep and others are now using 8ATs and getting much better gas mileage in the process.

The specs on this new engine are more worrisome to me because Toyota has a habit of letting engines sit on the shelf for a decade before they update them. Are we talking about a 2025 Tacoma with the same specs as a truck from 2005? Hope not...

To your point, reliability is more important to me than being the fastest guy at the drag strip which is relevant when? Never. It would just be nice to see Toyota being a leader in powertrain technology instead of at the back of the pack.

 

[SKP-4R]

But it's an ATKINSON-CYLCE!!!! How advanced!

Oh wait, that technology has been used since the first-gen Prius?

:frusty::frusty::frusty:

 

[Antman]

But it's an ATKINSON-CYLCE!!!! How advanced!

Oh wait, that technology has been used since the first-gen Prius?

:frusty::frusty::frusty:

Um- try again.

The first implementation of the Atkinson cycle was in 1882. :couch2:

Look it up!

 

[Formidable]

Um- try again.

The first implementation of the Atkinson cycle was in 1882. :couch2:

Look it up!

Which proves his point.

The killer of most businesses and not surprisingly the basis of many malpractice cases in medicine... Negligence and complacency go hand in hand. Toyota is not becoming complacent, they have been for the last decade.

 

[gm350reratliff]

I'm also a little disappointed in the HP and torque numbers but I'm hoping the new 6 speed auto and new differential gearing makes up for it. I plan on test driving some when they come in. I just hope the power band feels more like my 4th gen and less like my 5th gen. Honestly, I'm not really sold on the front grill/bumper design yet. Who the hell is designing these things? I do like the interior though.

Like another post kind of stated, Toyota's HP and torque numbers always seem to be conservative but they seem to have more power than they are rated. GM seems to be the opposite. Their numbers seem impressive on paper but behind the wheel they don't feel as impressive.

However, if I'm not impressed on my test drive then I won't buy it. I may go with a 2nd gen Taco or maybe not a Toyota at all (Gasp!). GM's and Nissan's mid sized diesels almost have my attention.

 

[SKP-4R]

Um- try again.

The first implementation of the Atkinson cycle was in 1882. :couch2:

Look it up!

Actually smarty-pants, I was referring to when Toyota first used it...which was in the first generation Prius for the JDM market. But good try....

 

[1engineer]

Which proves his point.

The killer of most businesses and not surprisingly the basis of many malpractice cases in medicine... Negligence and complacency go hand in hand. Toyota is not becoming complacent, they have been for the last decade.

I don't have any idea why you think Toyota sales are down. Got a chart? I have several that say you are incorrect.

 

[1engineer]

But it's an ATKINSON-CYLCE!!!! How advanced!

Oh wait, that technology has been used since the first-gen Prius?

:frusty::frusty::frusty:

Um- try again.

The first implementation of the Atkinson cycle was in 1882. :couch2:

Look it up!

Actually smarty-pants, I was referring to when Toyota first used it...which was in the first generation Prius for the JDM market. But good try....

Sorry. Jeff and I missed our online mind reader class last week. Don't worry, we'll catch up. Continue posting what you meant instead of what you typed.

 

[Formidable]

I don't have any idea why you think Toyota sales are down. Got a chart? I have several that say you are incorrect.

You are missing the forest for the trees grasshopper...

Look at their financials. They are not the same Toyota a decade ago.

 

[1engineer]

You are missing the forest for the trees grasshopper...

Look at their financials. They are not the same Toyota a decade ago.

Me so sorry Kwai Chang Caine. I thought we were talking about Toyota not offering what people wanted and becoming complacent, not making money. I will now continue practicing my Kung FU!

 

[SKP-4R]

God I love this forum

 

[LandCruiser]

Me so sorry Kwai Chang Caine. I thought we were talking about Toyota not offering what people wanted and becoming complacent, not making money. I will now continue practicing my Kung FU!

Remember that shitty Canadian reboot with the son of Caine?

Yeah, lame.

Made me want to autoasphyxiate myself....

 

[Formidable]

Me so sorry Kwai Chang Caine. I thought we were talking about Toyota not offering what people wanted and becoming complacent, not making money. I will now continue practicing my Kung FU!

Again, you miss the forest for the trees. Impressive! Do me a favor and reverse engineer that statement. LOL!

 

[paddlenbike]

Lets face is the Japanese car manufacturers are boring these days! I actually love going to Japan, its a fun place to go for vacation. In the workplace the Japanese are very conservative and typically do not want to stir up anything that would give them negative attention from their peers. A Japanese worker will never disagree with his/her boss even if the boss is wrong. Go to japan and 100% of business men dress the same. White business shirt and black plants.

But after work, they go to an Izakaya at 9-10pm and the business men are drinking alcohol getting rowdy and having a good time of their life. 2 different people Japanese are. True story as I have been to Japan 5 times now.

Even in the sports car world the Japanese have no fun sport type of car today except for the GTR.

No more Acura Integra GSR (i used to own on long long time ago). Fun car that reved to 8,000 RPM
No more Acura RSX Type S
No more Honda S2000
No more Toyota Celica's
No more Acura NSX
No more Toyota Supra. This car was iconic.

All those cars were fun to drive and car enthusiasts owned them.

Today all we get is Camrys, Viennas, Pruises from Japanese manufacturers. The Toyota FR-S was a huge disappointment to me. Its pretty sad because the Japanese have a great potential to make a really good affordable sports car!

OMG, someone that thinks just like me! I have owned some of the cars on that list and couldn't agree more with you. Remember when you could walk onto a Toyota lot in the late 90s and choose from an MR2 turbo, Celica All-Trac turbo or Supra turbo? The new Toyotas lack the spirit and enthusiasm of the ones from the past. Doesn't matter if it's a car (do they even make a fun car besides the weaksauce FRS?) or a truck.

I would love to see Toyota return to the company it used to be in the late 90s/early 2000s. Toyota used to make some beautiful looking engines too, but they've given up completely on that.

the old 3.4 Tacoma/4Runner V6...

the 4.0 Tacoma/4Runner engine with this lurking under the cover:

It's just aesthetics, but Toyota doesn't even try anymore. I miss the Toyota of old.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

Have they released the engine code for that new motor yet?

[MENTION=112299]Formidable[/MENTION]

As for Toyota not adopting an aluminum body for their trucks, that's not just Toyota. They're all watching Ford to see if their gamble pays off. Which, with the teething pains they're having currently; may or may not work out in the end (depending on how fast they can correct their obvious issues at hand.) It will most likely happen quickly though if Toyota (and the others) see that Ford has figured out the kinks, they just want to use Ford's money and stock as a guinea pig before the blow their own money.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/off-t...-aluminum-repair-cost-$17-000-took-month.html

Toyota is mainly about emissions and reliability right now, many of their designs and construction is about being conservative, emissions friendly, and reliable. To be honest, with all the cylinderhead issues that plague most of the Jeep, Hemi, and Chry-Crap vehicle lines; not to mention the variable displacement issues that haunt GM & Chrysler. I am not at all surprised that Toyota is taking it slow, though I think they're erring a bit too much on the side of caution which is hurting them in the long run.

Keep in mind that the D4S system in the new Tacoma is derived from the Lexus vehicles (who have been running it for a while now) and is itself an update of the original D4 GDI system (which is plagued with much of the same issues all other GDI vehicles are running into right now.) The modified Atkinson's Cycle that Toyota uses isn't new, nor is it ground breaking; but it does afford them some design flexibility in avoiding a cylinder deactivation system that both Chrysler/Fiat & GM are having numerous issues with.

I think Toyota could have done a bit better with the power, particularly since they've dropped the supercharger program and it will be a while before they redesign their entire engine line for forced induction like they are heading towards. But then again, I am still wondering if the frame is any different or is it just going to be another J120 copy like the J150 platform is?
[MENTION=9596]paddlenbike[/MENTION]

Yeah, emissions standards and electronics make engines no longer look very pretty; it's more a state of the industry as a whole and why everyone has beauty covers on their engines now.

 

[Formidable]

The automotive industry is innovation driven period. Example: Tesla. Toyota continues to sit on its ass. No argument there. But thanks for posting.

Have they released the engine code for that new motor yet?

[MENTION=112299]Formidable[/MENTION]

As for Toyota not adopting an aluminum body for their trucks, that's not just Toyota. They're all watching Ford to see if their gamble pays off. Which, with the teething pains they're having currently; may or may not work out in the end (depending on how fast they can correct their obvious issues at hand.) It will most likely happen quickly though if Toyota (and the others) see that Ford has figured out the kinks, they just want to use Ford's money and stock as a guinea pig before the blow their own money.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/off-t...-aluminum-repair-cost-$17-000-took-month.html

Toyota is mainly about emissions and reliability right now, many of their designs and construction is about being conservative, emissions friendly, and reliable. To be honest, with all the cylinderhead issues that plague most of the Jeep, Hemi, and Chry-Crap vehicle lines; not to mention the variable displacement issues that haunt GM & Chrysler. I am not at all surprised that Toyota is taking it slow, though I think they're erring a bit too much on the side of caution which is hurting them in the long run.

Keep in mind that the D4S system in the new Tacoma is derived from the Lexus vehicles (who have been running it for a while now) and is itself an update of the original D4 GDI system (which is plagued with much of the same issues all other GDI vehicles are running into right now.) The modified Atkinson's Cycle that Toyota uses isn't new, nor is it ground breaking; but it does afford them some design flexibility in avoiding a cylinder deactivation system that both Chrysler/Fiat & GM are having numerous issues with.

I think Toyota could have done a bit better with the power, particularly since they've dropped the supercharger program and it will be a while before they redesign their entire engine line for forced induction like they are heading towards. But then again, I am still wondering if the frame is any different or is it just going to be another J120 copy like the J150 platform is?
[MENTION=9596]paddlenbike[/MENTION]

Yeah, emissions standards and electronics make engines no longer look very pretty; it's more a state of the industry as a whole and why everyone has beauty covers on their engines now.

 

[Bevo]

The automotive industry is innovation driven period. Example: Tesla. Toyota continues to sit on its ass. No argument there. But thanks for posting.

It is also driven by government regulation and subsidies. Still, I think profits drive it all.

 

[Hawaiian4runner]

You are missing the forest for the trees grasshopper...

Look at their financials. They are not the same Toyota a decade ago.

Yet they continue to lead all manufacturers in gross margin. Almost double that of GM or Ford. They are the envy of the auto industry.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

The automotive industry is innovation driven period. Example: Tesla. Toyota continues to sit on its ass. No argument there. But thanks for posting.

I wouldn't say innovation as much as what they can get away with, the industry may have innovations, but its at a one step forward, two steps back situation. You're talking about a niche company who's survival at the moment is because they're small, they took advantage of government money, and are pushing a product that fits inline with the new "craze." I like Tesla, the company is absolutely innovative and they are pushing the envelope; but they are not a leader in anything but their niche market.

Ford is being innovative, but it's meant they have to basically leverage more than half their company's potential profits on an idea that could backfire and destroy them. So far it's off to a rocky start, but it looks like it will work out in the end (so we'll most likely see GM, Toyota, Fiat, and Nissan coming out with similar aluminum body trucks in a few years as Ford proves the concept.)

Fiat is betting that more gadgets, gizmos, and gears will keep Jeep afloat; unfortunately all those lead to more issues, constant problems with transmissions and electronics. Which given Chrysler/Jeep's history should have been a red flag. So their result in innovation is a far less reliable and more problematic vehicle that ends up proving the company still makes garbage after two bankruptcies and being bought out by Fiat.

Like I said, I don't disagree with you; I think Toyota is lagging behind and taking too much time to come out with innovative products vs. making them pretty much bullet-proof first.

 

[Formidable]

Again, example: Tesla. Thanks for posting.

It is also driven by government regulation and subsidies. Still, I think profits drive it all.