2016 Tacoma V6 Specs: 270hp/261lb-ft

[aspade]

As for Toyota not adopting an aluminum body for their trucks, that's not just Toyota. They're all watching Ford to see if their gamble pays off. Which, with the teething pains they're having currently; may or may not work out in the end (depending on how fast they can correct their obvious issues at hand.)

The fed mileage requirements being phased in by Obama's environmental radicals over the next few years are incredibly harsh. Three years ago, a 4R sized vehicle was required to average 31 mpg combined on the unadjusted EPA treadmill test. Three years from now, it's up to 39. 3 more years and it's up to 44.

Point of reference, the 4R we get now, underpowered and dead throttle and no 4.30s and all rates 29.5. For what a vehicle that scores 44 looks like, see a Nissan Juke.

It's not a matter of Ford gambling while conservative Toyota waits to see how the early adopters fare, none of them have any choice in the matter and what shows up to market first just reflects where in the product cycle they happened to be when the market was upended on them. The pipeline is all aluminum, all small displacement powertrains with Atkins, DI, boost, the other tricks. Nearly everything will be a hybrid.

And how much more they'll cost to buy and fix is our problem.

 

[cjacob316]

I've been closely watching the reveal of the new Tacoma looking for clues on what we might get with the 6th gen 4Runner, and let me say that I hope the new motor is not something that makes the jump (at least without some modification).

2016 Tacoma V6 Specs:

The Tacoma has made less power than the 4Runner for some time now (236 hp/266lb-ft this generation, vs 270/278 for 4Runner), so hopefully the next generation 4Runner will also get a power bump.

Just sharing for those who might have been curious, as I know these two vehicles have a lot in common.

The 2nd gen Tacoma and 5th gen 4runner are two different engines. If you want to directly compare you need to use the 4th gen 4runner since it shared an engine with the 2nd gen Tacoma. You're running on the assumption that they won't just share an engine again.

It's funny to watch the different boards, 4runner guys ***** about the current engine, and Tacoma guys are begging for it instead of the new one. I will call BS though on the idea that "domestic" trucks have more power and better MPG because all I ever hear about is how much less the real world MPG is than advertised. Reliability matters to most people, especially outside of the US, Toyota will be just fine if they lost every owner on this board.

I'm very interested in hearing valid reasoning why people are disappointed in the numbers. Smaller more efficient engine and lighter truck with more HP and Torque than the previous model. How is that not a step forward? Is it a slow step, maybe, but the vehicle will still be running long after all other makes from 2016 have died and the only new cars you can buy are Prius copies.

BTW, I drove my normal commute of 250+ miles today, never once did I have an issue accelerating. It's not a sports car, but I certainly cruise past everyone going up a steep incline while their vehicles struggle to climb and maintain speed. I guess I should edit to add that I still got 21 mpg as well. Best gas mileage vehicle I have ever owned.

 

[Formidable]

Yet they continue to lead all manufacturers in gross margin. Almost double that of GM or Ford. They are the envy of the auto industry.

And their growth?

They are big enough that they can afford to take on risk... But they are content to settle. Again, complacent.

 

[cjacob316]

So Toyota didn't make the first Hybrid and other makes don't use their design? Toyota didn't develop the first hydrogen fuel cell and then share the technology with everyone else so they could develop and advance as well. And Toyota won't release the first Hydrogen fuel cell car.

 

[wfo9]

Have they released the engine code for that new motor yet?

[MENTION=112299]Formidable[/MENTION]

As for Toyota not adopting an aluminum body for their trucks, that's not just Toyota. They're all watching Ford to see if their gamble pays off. Which, with the teething pains they're having currently; may or may not work out in the end (depending on how fast they can correct their obvious issues at hand.) It will most likely happen quickly though if Toyota (and the others) see that Ford has figured out the kinks, they just want to use Ford's money and stock as a guinea pig before the blow their own money.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/off-t...-aluminum-repair-cost-$17-000-took-month.html

Toyota is mainly about emissions and reliability right now, many of their designs and construction is about being conservative, emissions friendly, and reliable. To be honest, with all the cylinderhead issues that plague most of the Jeep, Hemi, and Chry-Crap vehicle lines; not to mention the variable displacement issues that haunt GM & Chrysler. I am not at all surprised that Toyota is taking it slow, though I think they're erring a bit too much on the side of caution which is hurting them in the long run.

Keep in mind that the D4S system in the new Tacoma is derived from the Lexus vehicles (who have been running it for a while now) and is itself an update of the original D4 GDI system (which is plagued with much of the same issues all other GDI vehicles are running into right now.) The modified Atkinson's Cycle that Toyota uses isn't new, nor is it ground breaking; but it does afford them some design flexibility in avoiding a cylinder deactivation system that both Chrysler/Fiat & GM are having numerous issues with.

I think Toyota could have done a bit better with the power, particularly since they've dropped the supercharger program and it will be a while before they redesign their entire engine line for forced induction like they are heading towards. But then again, I am still wondering if the frame is any different or is it just going to be another J120 copy like the J150 platform is?
[MENTION=9596]paddlenbike[/MENTION]

Yeah, emissions standards and electronics make engines no longer look very pretty; it's more a state of the industry as a whole and why everyone has beauty covers on their engines now.

I've had a few GM motors with cyl deactivation and 0 issues. I have the 6.0 l76 in a g8. Absolutly flawless with 80k on the OD. Best sedan I've ever driven. 0 maintenance besides air filter and oil, 0 issues looks new...hauls ass. Also had a 07Tahoe with the 5.3, 125k and no issues besides TB needing to be cleaned once. I also have a 14 GMC with the new 5.3 and DI. 35k so far and 0 issues. Runs fantastic and gets 18-21 around town 25 on hwy in a 5k+ crew cab. They have it pretty well figured out. The 14 goes into 4cyl mode quite often and it cannot be detected.

 

[Cheers!]

I work with a lot of former Tesla engineers. There are many stories of how Tesla was on the verge of bankruptcy. There were times that Elon Musk had to personally use his own money to make payroll for his employees. When he ran out he had to ask his Billionaire friends for money at times.

This was all until the stock popped, huge cash flow was made available by selling shares, and they paid off their government loans.

Somehow I do not think any of the established automakers would take a gamble as big as what Elon Musk did.

 

[Jhalko]

I remain completely unconvinced of your case. :rapture:

New Taco at least looks nice and hey it has a go pro mount!

 

[BlackWorksInc]

I've had a few GM motors with cyl deactivation and 0 issues. I have the 6.0 l76 in a g8. Absolutly flawless with 80k on the OD. Best sedan I've ever driven. 0 maintenance besides air filter and oil, 0 issues looks new...hauls ass. Also had a 07Tahoe with the 5.3, 125k and no issues besides TB needing to be cleaned once. I also have a 14 GMC with the new 5.3 and DI. 35k so far and 0 issues. Runs fantastic and gets 18-21 around town 25 on hwy in a 5k+ crew cab. They have it pretty well figured out. The 14 goes into 4cyl mode quite often and it cannot be detected.

I've been hearing they're having issues with them eating through the cams, the lifters, and deactivation units having issues. There's enough of an issue that it seems most people would rather buy delete kits than deal with them. Though I don't think it's as prevalent an issue as say Chrysler/Jeep cylinderheads that their parts departments seem to stock on the shelves. More that it's the common failure point on these DoD systems from everyone I have talked to.

Personally I want a GMC full-sized, they look very nice; my buddy has the Holden (I mean Pontiac) G8 and he loves his to death. Shame they stopped making them in the US.

 

[Bevo]

Again, example: Tesla. Thanks for posting.

Yes, Tesla is the perfect example. They are innovative. They also receive government subsidies, and buyers of their vehicles do too. That is what created their market in the first place.

 

[FordyceCreek]

I am ready to trade in my 2005 Titan which gets the same gas mileage as our 4Runner with 325HP and loads of torque, and my old Xterra was fast and did as well.(although I hated a lot of other things about it) My next pick up will be the new 3.5 eco boost raptor with 450HP that will get close to the same gas mileage as our 4runners. To say you could not produce an engine that makes more HP with better gas mileage is silly. I think mine only gets 16MPh partly because the pedal is on the floor All the time. Engine technology has come a long ways, and Toyota needs to get on board.

 

[cjacob316]

295 mile range, how long does it take to charge? That's only 65 MPH and AC off. Adjust to my driving conditions and that's a 257 mile range maximum on the 85D, the rest have less. I could never own that car because it can't even get me to and from work. Worthless.

Just keeps getting better. Do you have a spare 240 volt outlet in your house? I sure as hell don't.

 

[4RunnerAU]

Come on people, think....Like many things in life, you often can't have your cake and eat it too. This is true when it comes to performance and reliability.

As a whole, Toyota markets itself as a manufacturer of vehicles that are durable (long-lasting) and reliable (operates as intended with minimal interruptions). This is probably reflected in its engineering principles. When Toyota designs its engines, they are probably willing to sacrifice more HP or MPGs in favor of designs/selecting parts that will preserve the engine life, preventing breakdowns and minimizing their production costs to align with their marketing strategy. Same goes with Honda, Subaru and Volkswagen (as of late).

Let's compare to Chrysler, specifically the JGC. The JGC markets itself as this affordable but cutting edge vehicle with tons of features and really good standard HP and MPGs. These types of things are probably inherent in Chrysler's design - they have to use an 8spd AT to get better MPGs (which probably decreases reliability) and probably pick parts that are cheaper but still deliver high performance. Maybe that's why Fiat-Chrysler ranked dead last as a brand in 2014 (Link), why the JGC has horrible ratings on TrueDelta and why Chrysler had to extend the powertrain warranty on the Pentastar engine in my 2012 Wrangler due to faulty engine heads.

 

[FordyceCreek]

That is true to an extent, my 1996 Montero has a "cutting Edge" engine :scared: And I would choose some reliability over that. But still, my Titan has 180K and solid as a rock....so it is possible. And heck, Toyota had plenty of head problems for awhile themselves.

 

[sooperedd]

I was seriously considering getting the 2016 Tacoma but I didn't want to Beta test a new vehicle. The current year 4Runner has all the bugs worked out of it by now, the engine and tranny are solid.

Had some problems with my RAV4, bought that in it's first year, and I expect some other problems with it in the future.

 

[philsey]

....They also receive government subsidies, and buyers of their vehicles do too. That is what created their market in the first place.

This. From a strictly business model, that being the success of a company based on the sale and profit of its product due only to consumer demand, Tesla would be a flop.

My wife is a stock speculator, and has made money on Tesla stock. But does she consider it a long-term holding? No way.

 

[sooperedd]

That is true to an extent, my 1996 Montero has a "cutting Edge" engine :scared: And I would choose some reliability over that. But still, my Titan has 180K and solid as a rock....so it is possible. And heck, Toyota had plenty of head problems for awhile themselves.

Had an '85 Toyota pickup, 22R, that blew 2 head gaskets. One with the PO and one blew on me. They were notorious for that.

 

[Formidable]

Yes, Tesla is the perfect example. They are innovative. They also receive government subsidies, and buyers of their vehicles do too. That is what created their market in the first place.

So we agree. Glad you see my point.

 

[Formidable]

This. From a strictly business model, that being the success of a company based on the sale and profit of its product due only to consumer demand, Tesla would be a flop.

My wife is a stock speculator, and has made money on Tesla stock. But does she consider it a long-term holding? No way.

I could care less what your wife thinks about tesla. Any Tom, dick and Harry could for arguments sake be a stock speculator. The environment in which Toyota once thrived is changing significantly... Why don't you ask your wife how our economy is doing, how the Chinese economy is doing, what the euro is doing, and what oil trading at $47 a barrel means for Toyota.. and what toyota's complacency in this environment means for future earnings projections.

 

[Formidable]

So Toyota didn't make the first Hybrid and other makes don't use their design? Toyota didn't develop the first hydrogen fuel cell and then share the technology with everyone else so they could develop and advance as well. And Toyota won't release the first Hydrogen fuel cell car.

1. Prius was released in 97. Toyota was on top of their game back then. Take the supra. Dominated the Japamese sports car market. As I mentioned, Toyota is no longer the same company in terms of innovation it once was over a decade ago. Thanks for proving my point.

2. Hydrogen fuel is a gimmick. How much energy does the process of electrolysis require? Where does the energy come from? How does the use of hydrocarbons compare to EV? This is one of the biggest arguments against the use of hydrogen fuel.

Alright I'm officially done posting in this thread.

Adios amigos.

 

[philsey]

Alright I'm officially done posting in this thread.

:bravo: