2020 Tacoma Teased

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Debuting at the Chicago auto show with a refresh, but that's all we know for now. If it gets a new engine/transmission, which I believe it will, I think that will be a key indicator of what to expect for the 2020 4Runner refresh.

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Toyota to unveil 2020 Tacoma at Chicago Auto Show - Autoblog
 
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The 3rd Gen Taco just came out in 2016. Why would Toyota change the engine and/or transmission?

Because it's the single biggest complaint about the truck, and it's outpowered by all of the competition while also returning worst in class MPG.
 
Because it's the single biggest complaint about the truck, and it's outpowered by all of the competition while also returning worst in class MPG.

If Toyota actually acted on those consumer reports I would be thoroughly impressed and pleased… now if they could only fixed the interior ergonomics in addition to that, we might actually have a truck worth looking at.

As always, don’t hold your breath…
 
The 3.5 and 6 speed auto suck. Bought a 2016 and loved it but couldn't stand the engine. Sold it after 3500 miles and bought my 2016 4Runner, never looked back.
 
Looks basically the same. I don't think they would change the drivetrain around this early but then again I'm surprised they are doing even a facelift after 4 years.
 
I can't say anymore than this, but Ford's reintroduction of the Ranger caught Toyota off guard and they are very concerned with maintaining their #1 position in the midsize pickup market.

Toyota has also fielded an unusually high number of complaints about the transmission, issued a number of TSiBs and still can't seem to fix the problem. Another significant complaint fielded by dealers has been low MPG.

I have a feeling they will actually update the drivetrain for these reasons.
 
Because it's the single biggest complaint about the truck, and it's outpowered by all of the competition while also returning worst in class MPG.

I hear you. Just very un-Toyota like to make a change like that with their trucks. Then again, when was the last time 'Yota had this much displeasure over key components?
 
I can't say anymore than this, but Ford's reintroduction of the Ranger caught Toyota off guard and they are very concerned with maintaining their #1 position in the midsize pickup market.

Toyota has also fielded an unusually high number of complaints about the transmission, issued a number of TSiBs and still can't seem to fix the problem. Another significant complaint fielded by dealers has been low MPG.

I have a feeling they will actually update the drivetrain for these reasons.

If they addressed these issues I’d definitely entertain purchasing one. The looks are fantastic already. I’m honestly waiting for the tundra redesign to compliment my t4r, but a taco with a better drivetrain could be in the cards.
 
They changed the Camry around a few times once was due to overlapping crash testing so perhaps they are changing Tacoma. Toyota might not give us a super supra but they will change the bread and butter to whatever the people want.
 
My 101% guess: LED headlights, Apple CarPlay, power seats, and 8-speed auto transmission. No engine change.
 
[MENTION=2]Thai[/MENTION] That seems reasonable. Hopefully they implement the right changes. The 2nd Gen Tacoma is the reason why I went with my 4Runner. The 3rd Gen has touches and upgrades that I like but I'd be hesitant to get one based the first 3 MYs.
 
[MENTION=2]Thai[/MENTION] That seems reasonable. Hopefully they implement the right changes. The 2nd Gen Tacoma is the reason why I went with my 4Runner. The 3rd Gen has touches and upgrades that I like but I'd be hesitant to get one based the first 3 MYs.

The problem is that if the new 8-speed is similar to the one in my Sienna, then it is NOT the Penicillin that Tacoma owners had hope for to fix their powertrain. My Sienna’s 8 speed has bad shifting behavior as well...dead zones, upshifts like crazy, etc.....basically same complaints as the current 6-speed on Tacoma. :(
 
The problem is that if the new 8-speed is similar to the one in my Sienna, then it is NOT the Penicillin that Tacoma owners had hope for to fix their powertrain. My Sienna’s 8 speed has bad shifting behavior as well...dead zones, upshifts like crazy, etc.....basically same complaints as the current 6-speed on Tacoma. :(

The current Tacoma seems to never be in the correct gear, IMO. Like all modern automatics, it tries to upshift as quickly as possible which is an annoying (but common) trait, but it also has this weird downshift behavior that lurches the truck forward at low speeds, and it seems to always be confused about what gear to choose in stop-and-go traffic or merge situations. It's also just fairly jerky and the drivetrain feels like it came out of a tractor with regard to NVH.

The 2GR-FKS in the Camry, Avalon, RX 350, Highlander and ES 350 is a well sorted powertrain that is much more polished. I think that's also the same one your Sienna has, and I'm surprised that yours is frustrating. 295-301hp and 267lb-ft of torque is a better number for marketing purposes - vs 278. That motor feels three generations more sophisticated and refined vs. what the Tacoma got.

I also think a big part of what's frustrating about these modern automatics is overcoming the learned logic. For example, if your wife generally drives it and is a more passive driver, then you hop in and have a heavier foot, you're going to be frustrated because it's adjusted to her more relaxed driving habits and won't drop gears as quickly (or as many) when you stop on it, etc. In my experience, it takes ~2 weeks of daily driving for these automatics to adjust to new driver habits.
 
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I think it's going to be interesting to see how far Toyota takes this refresh because the Tacoma does need a lot of help, and it was designed for a market with no competition. The reintroduction of the Ranger was surprising, and the Gladiator was completely left field. Not to mention that the Canyon and Colorado are great trucks in their own rights, if imperfect.

Underneath, The Tacoma still has the bones of a truck that was redesigned for 2005... meaning a lot of the engineering work was done sometime just after Y2K. It feels like it on the road, too.

The interior is lots of hard plastics, shiny black plastic and the seating position isn't great either. The knobs are cheap, the radio buttons are brittle, etc.

The motor is rough and vibrates like crazy. It almost feels like a caricature of what a "truck engine" should feel like when you consider that the other 2GR-FKS variants are so smooth and polished.

The transmission jerks and buzzes through gears like a prototype - not a production Toyota car.

It's very loud on the road, theres lots of wind noise and the driving dynamics are sloppy, disconnected and choppy.


While we've all talked a lot about waiting for the next generation TNGA architecture in regard to the Land Cruiser, Tundra and 4Runner, I think the 2016 Tacoma was actually our first indication of "hurry up and wait." We all know the truck only has a slightly modified rear frame vs. the previous truck, with new sheetmetal and an updated V6. It's always been a bit of a half-assed effort. Toyota probably did as much as they could trying to modernize it with the plan for a full 2022/2023 redesign on the new TNGA-F architecture.

The difficult thing for Toyota is that the Tacoma used to exist in a class of one and all of it's competitors have significantly upstaged the truck. Colorado and Canyon are nice trucks with strong motors, better MPG, better infotainment and a slew of cool options and engines. The Ranger, while based on an older global platform, seems to be polished, posh, capable and versatile. It's also got the Ford truck cache with means a lot to some people (not me). Last, even if they sold the Gladiator with a 2 cylinder engine and crank windows, Jeep is going to sell the hell out of it because of how it looks. My point here is: the competitive set is completely different than it has been before and Toyota isn't ready.

At this point, selling ~20k units a month, it's one of the highest volume Toyota models and it's in a vulnerable position. However, to caveat all of this, they've been hitting that sales number capacity constrained with low inventory for a truck that - aside from the name - is probably worst in class, aside from the Frontier. So you could definitely make the argument they don't need to do much at all.

We'll see.
 
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I bought my '16 4Runner because i hated the way the 3rd gen taco drove. Downshifted at weird times, and felt anemic. However, once that truck picked its line, it drove like a dream. Powertrain sucked tho. I previously had an 05 taco with 180k on it and that thing was awesome, interior a tad cheap however.
 

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