4 or 6 cylinder Myth?

tacman7

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My friends are telling me I should get a 4 cylinder because they're so dependable etc.

I don't know, my 87 22r Toyota truck had a single row timing chain that broke and had to have the engine rebuilt. My 80 truck had a double row chain.

As long as you keep up on the timing belts a six is just as dependable?

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I tried both. The 22RE is a clattery, archaic, and overpraised pile of underpowered shit. The 3VZ is known for its head gasket issues, but I don't consider it to be worse than any other 25 year old engine if there are still a bunch running at this point. Power is... what you should expect from every other late 80's truck V6.

Give me the 3VZ ANY day. At least it is goes pop you have the engine mounts ready for a 5VZ to swap in. The 22RE is a boat anchor and if you want a Toyota 4-cylinder that is worth a shit then get a 3RZ or 2TR.
 
Probably 20-30 years ago, it wasn't a myth. Either one of the engines at this age, 4cyl 22RE or V6 3VZE, is most likely going to require maintenance when buying used, to make it as reliable as it can be. Depending on what you want to use the truck for, you may prefer the "power" of the V6 given the choice between the two.
 
My uncle has a late 80's pickup with the 22RE and he just did his 3rd head gasket in 5 yrs. sooo they can't be as bulletproof as people think. I've never been impressed.

That being said, mine came with the 3VZ automatic combo and that felt like a banana was in the tailpipe 24/7. Reliable as hell, but gutless like you have a grand piano tied to the roof.

Having the 3VZ made the 5VZ swap smooth as hell. And now with the supercharger and manual trans... Well there's no comparison.

In summary: both old motors sorta blow, so aim for anything post '96 so at least your On-Board Diagnostics is more modern. OBD II is a priceless oversight
 
I have owned Toyotas for 30+`years. Get the newest one you can afford unless you have a passion for old tempermental projects
 
That being said, mine came with the 3VZ automatic combo and that felt like a banana was in the tailpipe 24/7.

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. Reliable as hell, but gutless like you have a grand piano tied to the roof.



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I opt for engine swaps I have had 3.4L 5VZE and a 2L diesel. The v6 was great but the 2L was gutless.
I'm trying a TDI swap right now almost done so keep an eye on that to and I'll give you the final verdict soon.


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Motor swaps are nice, but sometimes they cost more than the truck is worth. Usually you will not see that in resale either. Some of the nicer builds it adds value, not always.

If you are going to drive a 30 year old truck you pretty much have to accept that some wrenching will be involved.

If you are going to wrench on a 30 year old truck, it does not really get any easier than a 22RE. The 3.0 is an amazing combination of complicated and convoluted.

There is a reason why people say: All the power of a 4 cylinder with the MPG's of an 8.
 
Lets all get one thing straight: a rebuild is never as reliable as a factory built engine. That is generally speaking. They are both pretty good engines. One must arm themselves with the knowledge on what to look out for in the 22re and in the 3zve. They can both go the distance. I am at 369,000 on an original 3zve. But at nearly 30 years old, it has had many little things replaced. Many of these engines have had wear parts and accessories replaced not once buy three or four times around at this point. A 10 year old engine is considered a "stsrt replacing things" engine in a lot of vehicles, but 30 years old? You never know what to expect. It does answer the question regarding reliability though, as most truck owners who do not drive a toyota never get to pose the question of reliability at 30 years lol.
 
Thanks for all the input guys!

Yeah, I take care of my vehicles but I'm too old to do any serious wrenching.
But I can enlist my son in law if needed, I would feel comfortable having him change the timing belts etc. I'm not an off road enthusiast but I live on a dirt road in the hills so want to get a 4x4.

I have to go look at this one:
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/5993709333.html
Can't tell how big it is from looking. That's a 97.

When did they become Escalade's?

I don't want a giant SUV, the earlier models were more compact seems like.

Thanks
 
97 is going to be a 3rd gen. You might want to ask around on that forum. It's a different timing belt based V6 that's used in the 1st and 2nd gen. Much better engine than the 3VZE, but still 20 years old.
 
That's right, sorry.

I was looking at a 91 also but it didn't have 4wd.

I'll read up on the differences.
 
I'm on my 3rd 2nd gen and can say the 3vze is a lot more than most people make it out to be. One of em had just under 300k miles on the clock and ran like a dream. I'd still have it if some lady didnt opt to buy me a new one by running into it. The two I have now are around 180k miles each, and even though the motor is slow as all hell, they run great with enough power to pull a small boat If I choose to. If they had more power it would make them harder to drive on slick conditions. Toyota is a very innovative company and put things together specific ways for a reason. Hence why they opted for coil over rear solid axles instead of leafs. Best ride quality and offroading capability out of a single assembly
 
My uncle has a late 80's pickup with the 22RE and he just did his 3rd head gasket in 5 yrs. sooo they can't be as bulletproof as people think. I've never been impressed.
3 head gaskets in 5 years WTF ? probably not the engine unless crappy rebuilder
That being said, mine came with the 3VZ automatic combo and that felt like a banana was in the tailpipe 24/7. Reliable as hell, but gutless like you have a grand piano tied to the roof.
3VZ was half assed from day one
Having the 3VZ made the 5VZ swap smooth as hell. And now with the supercharger and manual trans... Well there's no comparison.
Not that way..3RZ to 5VZ is apples
In summary: both old motors sorta blow, so aim for anything post '96 so at least your On-Board Diagnostics is more modern. OBD II is a priceless oversight

OBD II is Govt B.S. for emissions
 
Im pro v6, just under stand their downfalls. Just make sure you get one with a 5 speed. The autos behind them are power robbing.
 
OBD II is Govt B.S. for emissions



Yeah you're totally right. Having access to bidirectionally control a multitude of components for testing while sitting in the driver seat with a push of a button and simultaneously viewing cylinder specific misfire issues is such a bunch of bullshit.

...and yes kiddies, that's a single example of OBD II benefits.

Go with a 3rd gen if you get the chance. I'll never dump my 2nd, but I also worked hard to give it the power plant of a 3rd for a well informed reason. Not just internet banter and ignorant back handed statements showing complete irrelevance to the productive topic at hand.
 
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So many people bash on the 3.0. The only big problem it has is that it is a pain in the @$$ to work on. And yeah once in awhile it blows a head gasket.

If you'd like you can look up my build & all of the detales. For the short version it goes something like this. I bought it from the original owner, it roughly two hundred and sixty thousand miles on it. Had 2 head to head gaskets put in it during its entire life. ( the original one at the factory and one later because of the head gasket recall) The reason the second poped was because his other truck had an issue so he could not tow his boat home. So he decided to try to use the 89 4Runner to tow home his 20 foot jet boat. well needless to say it didn't make it home before the head gasket poped. (But he'll put a 22RE in front of a 20 foot jet boat and you'll find out that it's motor will blow as well.)
So long story short I rebuilt the entire engine and everything under the hood with either new or remanufactured parts. Yeah I spent over $4,000 rebuilding it. Just went down to Salt Lake City & back with no issues. with 31 inch tires on it, I was able to do75 to 80 miles an hour on the way home. Climbing the hills I did have to step down to 4th gear because the Toyota 3vze is just so damn guttless & slow.... I call b******* on that. Yeah it may not be as powerful as other V6 is. But it still outrun a 22RE & Torque wise It's a night-and-day difference as well. It definitely does not get as good of gas mileage. But then you gotta expect that because it is a much heavier motor that produces more power and torque. Most of the issues I have with the speed is due to me having the wrong gearing for the tire size I have. If I had the correct gearing I would easily be able to have kept it in 5th gear. I would also have a much easier time getting up to top speed. As it sits the truck is geared to run a 28 inch tire. Hope to be able to rectify that issue here shortly. I intend to put in a solid front axle and new gearing.
. I spent over $4,000 rebuilding the motor. Some people think I'm nuts for spending that much money on the 3.0 but I don't really care. They say I could have put in the newer V6 for less money. And yeah I probably could have. The problem is you would end up with an old used tired motor and that swap would cost you $2,000 or more. ( I don't like to do things half-a$$. So if I were to have swapped out I would have had to a fully rebuilt the motor, that's making it about a $6,000 to $7,000 motor swap. Not to mention all the extra time & effort to do the mods needed. Doesn't sound so cheap now does it?)

And Hell I just had to take mine through emissions. Without a catalytic converter I passed with flying colors at high RPM. I did fail at low RPM idling. But, Only failed by .07 on the CO. Went home check things out and realized my air filter was dirty. Cleaned that and I passed with room to spare. I think that if I would have gone to aftermarket 4 hole injectors that it would run even better. Probably have better power, better emissions and better fuel economy. I plan to do that before summer.

Anyway I hope this information helps you out a little bit.
 
Yeah you're totally right. Having access to bidirectionally control a multitude of components for testing while sitting in the driver seat with a push of a button and simultaneously viewing cylinder specific misfire issues is such a bunch of bullshit.
OBD-II standardization was prompted to simplify diagnosis of increasingly complicated emissions equipment, and only emission-related codes and data are required to be transmitted through it according to U.S. legislation Is it that hard for you to detect a miss on a 6 cyl? No doubt it makes it easier..bidirectional control is limited and not permanent..
...and yes kiddies, that's a single example of OBD II benefits.
Well what else is there in CARB country??

Go with a 3rd gen if you get the chance. I'll never dump my 2nd, but I also worked hard to give it the power plant of a 3rd for a well informed reason. Not just internet banter and ignorant back handed statements showing complete irrelevance to the productive topic at hand.

What is the well informed reason ?? Topic at hand was 4 vs 6 cyl 1st or 2nd gen. Don't be butthurt ,your 5vz is as awesome as the rest and much better than some!
 
Thanks Airdreams and all, appreciate the info.

I've seen a 91 2wd that is really clean but I think I'm going to go with a 97 4x4 for the 3rd gen engine and diff lock 4x4.

It has 200k but timing belt was replaced at 130k.

Learning a lot about 4 runners here!

Thanks
 

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