4runner TRD Pro

justindo said:
Nearly all the dealers in SoCal that I spoke to that are getting one in are not taking deposits and have clearly stated, "there will be a market adjustment that will vary depending upon interested parties". Can you say "bidding war"? How badly do you want one? I was willing to pay a little over MSRP, although I would have hated to do it and luckily didn't have to, but I wasn't going to pay anywhere near what some dealers were asking and probably got since they no longer have their TRD Pros in inventory.
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Apologies to current owners and those currently looking to buy for the statement I'm about to make...

There is absolutely nothing about the TEPro that makes it worth even considering paying a market adjustment. I understand dealers not wanting to go under MSRP on them as they are a limited edition, but beyond that it makes no sense. Everything that makes it different can be ordered and added to a TE/TEP (or any body style for that matter...)
 
Jayhawk5G said:
Apologies to current owners and those currently looking to buy for the statement I'm about to make...

There is absolutely nothing about the TEPro that makes it worth even considering paying a market adjustment. I understand dealers not wanting to go under MSRP on them as they are a limited edition, but beyond that it makes no sense. Everything that makes it different can be ordered and added to a TE/TEP (or any body style for that matter...)
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Jayhawk.....

No flaming here, just a response ....
It's all about supply and demand for pricing.
It's what a willing buyer will pay for an item, period.
Do I agree with the higher pricing? No, but if I wanted one and not wanting to make changes to another model, then that would be my choice.
People may not have the knowledge or experience or time, as far as that goes, to take another model in to someone and have/make changes.

Besides, all parts are warrantied when purchased as it comes from the dealer.
If you have these installed at the dealer on a TE, say, front coilover assy and rear shocks, they will only warranty these items for 1 year because that is done as an accessory item. Yep, that's Toyota's policy!
 
Saker said:
Jayhawk.....

No flaming here, just a response ....
It's all about supply and demand for pricing.
It's what a willing buyer will pay for an item, period.
Do I agree with the higher pricing? No, but if I wanted one and not wanting to make changes to another model, then that would be my choice.
People may not have the knowledge or experience or time, as far as that goes, to take another model in to someone and have/make changes.

Besides, all parts are warrantied when purchased as it comes from the dealer.
If you have these installed at the dealer on a TE, say, front coilover assy and rear shocks, they will only warranty these items for 1 year because that is done as an accessory item. Yep, that's Toyota's policy!
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There are really a couple issues to consider when looking at a "market adjustment." The first being, is this vehicle low production and likely to appreciate in value over time? The answer to this question in this day and age is almost always no.

The second is, how badly do I want this vehicle/what does it do that cannot be done with the lesser model? In some instances if you have more money than patience it might make sense depending on the level of "market adjustment, the new Challenger Hellcat would probably be a good example...

While I find the TEPro to be a nice package for the 4Runner, if presented with a "market adjustment" I would run, not walk away. In my mind it simply doesn't justify that kind of expense over the more plebian TE. The fears about warranty seem unjustified as a majority of the changes won't effect your warranty, and the parts that would are still stock parts from Toyota and should be as reliable as the other parts that Toyota uses... Edit: To those that don't want to get their hands dirty, most Toyota dealerships are familar with TRD parts and installation. I'm sure they would also take care of any fears surrounding warranty issues while dicussing installation.

All this said, if it makes you happy do what you are comfortable with.
 
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I was at a Jeep dealership today as I had to get a new washer nozzle for my Grand Cherokee. I took a test drive and closer look at the Cherokee Trailhawk (their smaller SUV with the hideous headlights). Anyways, it's a rugged smaller version of the Grand Cherokee. This model had a 1" body lift, off-road tires, etc... Much less cargo space but the front seats were surprisingly very roomy and comfortable. It came with the double sunroof/moonroof dealio which is really nice. I looked at the mileage and it said 28 mpg for highway (mostly due to the 9 speed transmission). Here's the surprise. Overall with mixed city/highway it only got 20 MPG. That's pretty close to the larger, tougher, better looking 4Runner. Here's the other surprise. MSRP on this vehicle was just under $40,000. I know you could probably get it closer to invoice but still, this is an unproven smaller engine and drivetrain in a smaller package, I have no idea what it can tow, about the same mpg's and they're asking about what the 4Runner TRD Pro is, and I can't write it off because the GVWR isn't high enough. Now, you tell me which is a better deal? TRD Pro at MSRP or the Cherokee Trailhawk that might break down in a couple years.
 
444 said:
I was at a Jeep dealership today as I had to get a new washer nozzle for my Grand Cherokee. I took a test drive and closer look at the Cherokee Trailhawk (their smaller SUV with the hideous headlights). Anyways, it's a rugged smaller version of the Grand Cherokee. This model had a 1" body lift, off-road tires, etc... Much less cargo space but the front seats were surprisingly very roomy and comfortable. It came with the double sunroof/moonroof dealio which is really nice. I looked at the mileage and it said 28 mpg for highway (mostly due to the 9 speed transmission). Here's the surprise. Overall with mixed city/highway it only got 20 MPG. That's pretty close to the larger, tougher, better looking 4Runner. Here's the other surprise. MSRP on this vehicle was just under $40,000. I know you could probably get it closer to invoice but still, this is an unproven smaller engine and drivetrain in a smaller package, I have no idea what it can tow, about the same mpg's and they're asking about what the 4Runner TRD Pro is, and I can't write it off because the GVWR isn't high enough. Now, you tell me which is a better deal? TRD Pro at MSRP or the Cherokee Trailhawk that might break down in a couple years.
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Stay far, far away from that Jeep. I have a Grand Cherokee with the 8-speed automatic, and it's a problematic transmission. Lots of guys are having big issues with it. And the 9-speed in the Cherokee is even worse. The Service Manager at my local Jeep dealership tells me that the majority of them have problems right off the delivery truck. I'd steer clear for a year or two until the get the bugs out.....or maybe I should say IF they get the bugs out!
 
T.Rock said:
Stay far, far away from that Jeep. I have a Grand Cherokee with the 8-speed automatic, and it's a problematic transmission. Lots of guys are having big issues with it. And the 9-speed in the Cherokee is even worse. The Service Manager at my local Jeep dealership tells me that the majority of them have problems right off the delivery truck. I'd steer clear for a year or two until the get the bugs out.....or maybe I should say IF they get the bugs out!
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Yea, I know. I was following the Grand Cherokee CRD/Ecodiesel saga for years before that came out and the 8 speed tranny was freaking people out. I'd love a diesel SUV but the damn epa restricts everything so much that they either break down or aren't as efficient as they should be to make it worth it for most people. Also I would never buy the first model year of a new update/generation. Too many things are untested.
I have a TRD Pro 4Runner on order (Inferno). It was just nice to test drive another vehicle in the same price range to compare. I wanted to share what I learned with all the naysayers about how expensive the TRD Pro is.

:whipping2
 
444 said:
I was at a Jeep dealership today as I had to get a new washer nozzle for my Grand Cherokee. I took a test drive and closer look at the Cherokee Trailhawk (their smaller SUV with the hideous headlights). Anyways, it's a rugged smaller version of the Grand Cherokee. This model had a 1" body lift, off-road tires, etc... Much less cargo space but the front seats were surprisingly very roomy and comfortable. It came with the double sunroof/moonroof dealio which is really nice. I looked at the mileage and it said 28 mpg for highway (mostly due to the 9 speed transmission). Here's the surprise. Overall with mixed city/highway it only got 20 MPG. That's pretty close to the larger, tougher, better looking 4Runner. Here's the other surprise. MSRP on this vehicle was just under $40,000. I know you could probably get it closer to invoice but still, this is an unproven smaller engine and drivetrain in a smaller package, I have no idea what it can tow, about the same mpg's and they're asking about what the 4Runner TRD Pro is, and I can't write it off because the GVWR isn't high enough. Now, you tell me which is a better deal? TRD Pro at MSRP or the Cherokee Trailhawk that might break down in a couple years.
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This is not even a question or comparison IMHO. The Jeep Cherokee is a crossover that is targeted towards anyone considering a CRV or RAV4. Add some brand appeal to it and you have the new Cherokee. If you're considering the vehicle for off road use I think the Cherokee is a terrible idea. It's small, it's unibody, IF&RS, transmission problems, electrical problems, and it's unproven. Doesn't matter if it's a Trailhawk or that there is a 1" body (spacer) lift and "off road" tires on it. As well, it seems pretty idiotic spending that amount of money on something when you know that it might break down in a couple of years.

Oh and here's a video of the Cherokee strutting its stuff. Notice there is barely any travel or flexing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I90SoPeoUTU
 
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sn_85 said:
This is not even a question or comparison IMHO. The Jeep Cherokee is a crossover that is targeted towards anyone considering a CRV or RAV4. Add some brand appeal to it and you have the new Cherokee. If you're considering the vehicle for off road use I think the Cherokee is a terrible idea. It's small, it's unibody, IF&RS, transmission problems, electrical problems, and it's unproven. Doesn't matter if it's a Trailhawk or that there is a 1" body (spacer) lift and "off road" tires on it. As well, it seems pretty idiotic spending that amount of money on something when you know that it might break down in a couple of years.

Oh and here's a video of the Cherokee strutting its stuff. Notice there is barely any travel or flexing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I90SoPeoUTU
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That's exactly my point. I agree with you 100%. The only comparison between the two is they're about the same price. I feel so much better now getting my TRD Pro for only $1000 UNDER MSRP. I'm getting a steal!
It's still a lot of money but I'm really going to enjoy the hell out of it!
 
I know the Tacoma comes with the TRD Pro exhaust but not the 4Runner. Would it benefit performance or mileage to modify the current exhaust (cat back) to the TRD Pro exhaust?

Would it even work or do they make it for the 4Runner?

If so, would you change the intake as well?
 
It seems like the consensus on this board is that the cold air intakes and aftermarket exhaust systems are a waste of money in terms of HP improvements. Definitely contrary to the manufacturers' claims, but that wouldn't be the first or last time that was the case...
 
Was driving by my toyota dealer and saw this. I know not a 4Runner but it's still pretty cool. Inferno is very cool in person

 
So.... I've been waiting since the first week of September. Took delivery of a Pro all blacked out. Well, Almost all blacked out. Don't know why the emblems on the back are still silver, but I guess I can fix that. AND the roof rack is silver... Plasti dip might be a good fix for that too.
 
Finally took delivery ofy white Pro today. Been on order since
The end of September. Initial impressions coming from 3 other 4 runners the last of which was a 13 trail with kdss. The suspension is more compliant off road. Feels better than kdss for off-road use. I'm talking gravel, washboard road around corners, potholes and finally transitioning to rocky dry streambeds. It does not transfer the ground effects to the driver as much as the kdss. To me
There is not much difference between the two suspensions on the highway
But I would give the nod to kdss for controlling the nosedive and body roll slightly better. The difference between the two is more apparent
Off-road. All in all I'm very pleased with my purchase.
 
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