drsus
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Yeah, I looked into one for my 2012 tacoma and they had it available last I checked. The engine on this 4Runner has a tad more HP and better mpg which tells me they changed enough in it that now the sc is not working out
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Yeah, I looked into one for my 2012 tacoma and they had it available last I checked. The engine on this 4Runner has a tad more HP and better mpg which tells me they changed enough in it that now the sc is not working out
Gas mileage sucks compared to my tacoma(s)
Had a 2008 and a 2013 Tacoma. Both were double cab long beds so should have been the heaviest with the least impressive mileage of Tacoma family. However, I was getting around 20 miles per gallon in both of these averaged between city and highway use and this is right within the claims by Toyota.
I really, really love this 4Runner and traded in my 13 Tacoma for it. My only issue is....Gas mileage sucks. I do not know how you guys are getting 19+ mpg as I have read. I am about to turn 2000 miles on mine and I am still averaging 14.8 mpg with a mixture of city and highway. This is not even close to the estimated 17 to 21. With the larger 19 gallon tank I was looking forward to getting 360 or so miles per tank versus the 320 or so in my 17 gallon Tacoma. But instead...I am getting around 290. This sucks.
This is basically the same engine as my Tacoma and weight is negligible, but this difference is ridiculous. Older V8 engines on larger SUV's get better than this. I will hang on a bit longer and hope that it breaks in or gets better, but had I known this, it may have changed my decision.
Had a 2008 and a 2013 Tacoma. Both were double cab long beds so should have been the heaviest with the least impressive mileage of Tacoma family. However, I was getting around 20 miles per gallon in both of these averaged between city and highway use and this is right within the claims by Toyota.
I really, really love this 4Runner and traded in my 13 Tacoma for it. My only issue is....Gas mileage sucks. I do not know how you guys are getting 19+ mpg as I have read. I am about to turn 2000 miles on mine and I am still averaging 14.8 mpg with a mixture of city and highway. This is not even close to the estimated 17 to 21. With the larger 19 gallon tank I was looking forward to getting 360 or so miles per tank versus the 320 or so in my 17 gallon Tacoma. But instead...I am getting around 290. This sucks.
This is basically the same engine as my Tacoma and weight is negligible, but this difference is ridiculous. Older V8 engines on larger SUV's get better than this. I will hang on a bit longer and hope that it breaks in or gets better, but had I known this, it may have changed my decision.
drsus
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Same here. My tacoma was getting 19-20 I THOUGHT I was going to get better in this truck. I have 2k miles so far and I'm struggling to get it to 15mpg for an average.. I even had to do the math myself because I thought the on board mpg computer was off. I really don't care since neither was "good" with gas but it did catch my attention how much more fuel this one uses. Now I'm worried about how much fuel I'll have to carry around for my long outings... And that sucks because that's a lot of extra weight up high that I was hoping I wouldn't have to deal with like I do with my discovery. Thankfully this truck is nowhere near as top heavy so I guess that cancels some of it out
Of course. I get this. Even with canopy which makes it about same as 4Runner it was still getting the numbers I stated. Average out the plus/minus differences of the two and we are talking only a couple hundred pounds.
17 to 21 should be the worst to best. If it is truly 14.8 which is 2.2 less than the worse, or 6.2 for the best then Toyota needs to revise their estimates. Especially if a couple hundred pounds does not even come close to estimates, then they cannot cut/paste same fuel estimates as Tacoma...
weeeee
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FWIW I went from a fully optioned SR5 4x4 w/ third row to a TRDP, so the weights should be very similar if not the TRDP being slightly lighter. I'm getting around 16mpg combined with the TRDP where I was getting around 18-19 with the SR5. It may be just the tires or the ECU still in learning mode but I'm seeing slightly lower MPG figures than expected. The only thing I'm also considering is that the emissions devices were updated for 2015 as I'm seeing some additional vacuum plumbing on the passenger side near the intake that weren't there on my 2012 model.
1engineer
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Guys, do a bit of research please! I have authored several posts on winter gas. You will lose over 10% of your efficiency from end of October to April. This is every year in all locations of North America. You just got your trucks at the worst time you could get them to compare efficiency to other vehicles. On average you will lose around two mpg this time of year just from the fuel. You cannot buy summer blend untol April. After that you will see your efficiency increase. I will be glad to post links to this topic if you want but rest assured what you are seeing is normal for this time of year.
drsus
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i live in southern California, up until not long ago i didn't even know winter gas existed. My 4runner mpg is considerably less than my '12 tacoma on the exact same gas and driving conditions.
TRDPRORUNNER
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(...took ours our to 'knock the new off' om this fine Christmas day)
Love the TRD & the AIREDALE! Got the same combo, too. Excellent breed! Congrats!
Love the TRD & the AIREDALE! Got the same combo, too. Excellent breed! Congrats!
1engineer
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Winter gas is there too.
drsus
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Sure, up in big bear, wrightwood etc, places that get snow. In Los Angeles city proper you won't find it at regular gas stations... Or more to my point, My trucks have never had winter gas in them so the mpg numbers don't include this possible scenario.
1engineer
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Dude...
Gasoline blends, especially winter and summer blends, are mandated by both the state and federal government. It does not matter where you are or if it snows you get both blends depending on the time of year. Actually SoCal gets it early. Again, as stated in my first post, do some research.
You are making it really hard to help when all you want to do is argue with no facts to back it up. Do you know what winter blend is or why ot is used? Hint: nothing to do with snow.
Pardon my ignorance for not looking up "Winter gas", which is something o have never heard of when comparing gas mileage....???
Now that I have... An Internet search seems to state it is somewhat BS. Considering that unleaded gasolines have ratings and such like "87", this dictates the amount of ethanol.... And this does not change at my neighborhood gas stations in the winter months. If they change the gas, then the government would make them change the rating...
And before you yell at me like the other guy for wanting to argue and/or telling us to do research first....
Hard to research something I have never heard of. And if I typed into google trying to sleuth why gas meage sucks.... Winter gas does not come up unless you know of it... And most did not.
Thank you.
Hard to research something I have never heard of. And if I typed into google trying to sleuth why gas meage sucks.... Winter gas does not come up unless you know of it... And most did not.
Thank you.
obsfsean
Junior Member
I googled "What is winter blend gasoline"
First link is Summer-Blend vs Winter-Blend Gasoline: What’s the Difference? - Popular Mechanics
Not sure if popularmechanics is a trustworthy source of accurate information (who knows these days ... right?). Form the article you could suspect Cali has it too.
First link is Summer-Blend vs Winter-Blend Gasoline: What’s the Difference? - Popular Mechanics
Not sure if popularmechanics is a trustworthy source of accurate information (who knows these days ... right?). Form the article you could suspect Cali has it too.
1engineer
Moderator
Alright, gasoline 101:
Octane ratings have nothing to do with winter or summer blends, nor does it have anything to do with power. 87 Octane is the same regardless and is no worse than 91 for example. The different octane levels are simply for knock resistance. Summer blends cost more to refine. Winter blends costs a bit less and the reason it happens at all is due to gas vaporization.
Again, there are probably 20 different blends out there and all are REQUIRED by the government. The reason for loss of efficiency in the winter is due to the changed blend.
This is a very simple explanation and much better and more thorough can be found. It is not bs nor is it magic. It is real and happens twice a year like clockwork.
3wbdriver
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I refuse to fill up within 50 miles of Houston because they fall under the big city blend requirement. Regardless of time of year. It has nothing to do with Octane rating.
Summer-Blend vs Winter-Blend Gasoline: What’s the Difference? - Popular Mechanics
Summer-grade versus Winter-grade Fuel - HowStuffWorks
And from the article below:
What?s the difference between summer-blend gasoline and winter-blend gasoline? - Ask.cars.com
We've already butted heads once, and I do not enjoy doing so. But when someone is trying to give out information they have RESEARCHED, why does someone have to argue the point with them? I don't know of anyone in this forum who wants to put out misinformation for simple entertainment purposes. Yes, some tongue in cheek stuff gets posted, but it is so obviously ridiculous when it happens that it can be discounted at the time it is posted.
