ROJOVILLA
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And if anyone with kids that have a TRD Pro, are steps or sliders necessary for ingress/egress?
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alico268
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Don't have kids yet, but the step in is high for this vehicle without anything there. If it were me, I would hold out for sliders in lieu of the black tube step option. I have the C4 Fab sliders and like them a ton! Shrockworks also has the step/slider hybrid which makes for a great step and will actually protect your rocker panel as sliders were designed to do. They will also prolong the life of your seats by having a way to dismount rather than slide off the seat repeatedly.
Beer_Runner
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Still running mine with no steps or sliders, and I gotta say that I love the look without. Yes, it is indeed a high step in. I am 5'9" and my wife is 5'1". We have developed a technique of "hopping" in. Will likely get sliders, someday. Mostly for ease of loading things into and out of our Thule rooftop box that we sometimes use.
BlueSteel007
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I have the black factory side steps and find myself always just throwing my leg into the car first and doing the hop and slide motion in. The side steps just feel like they are too high up to the bottom of the doors when getting in. I'm 5"10 and climbing on the step first puts me higher than the top of the 4Runner and then I have to hunch over awkwardly to enter in the driver's seat.
ROJOVILLA
Member
Those C4 look sharp and like them better than the Shrockworks. This is my first 4x4 in 20 years and I'm hoping this isn't a dumb question, but can you not use the C4 sliders as a step? Looks like they stick out enough. Also, do the factory tube steps not protect the rocker panel like a slider?
MRM69
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If you add up the cost of the Pro parts, tax and labor and add that to the MSRP for the TEP (-KDSS) it's a wash. You can most likely get the TEP for less than MSRP up front which does add a bit of savings, but if you sell a TEP w/ pro parts 1,2,3 years later it most likely will not bring the same price as an actual TRD Pro, so once again you are at a wash (except for the moonroof and KDSS if those are important, at which point you should get the TEP/TRD Off Road Premium w/ those options).
This is all based on looking at internet prices, local prices, parts cost, labor cost, taxes, new 4runner MSRP, used 4runner selling prices, etc.
I did all this math for a TEP I was looking at, selling for $2k less that MSRP and I came up with an upfront savings of approximately $1k plus I got a sunroof I could care less about. Looking at vehicles for sale online on this site, other forums, ebay, carguru's, cars.com, craiglist, etc I came to realize that modded TEP's sold for close to what non-modded TEP's sold for, as mod's don't necessarily increase resale prices (this happens in the motorcycle world all the time). Where as TRD Pro's have had asking/selling prices above their original MSRP for the last 2 years.
Best advice I've seen for people who are going into this counting each dollar is, if you don't plan on doing any of your own mods, don't have access to tools and garage to do your own mods or want one of the special colors, then buy a TRD Pro. You aren't going to lose any $$, that's for sure.
If on the other hand you want to do your own mod's (especially those that are above and beyond what the Pro offers), have access to tools and garage so you don't have to pay labor cost, like the colors that the TEP/TRD Off Road Premium come in, have all the time available to do said mod's and don't mind selling w/o getting the return on investment for your mods (if and when you sell), then buy the TEP (or whatever version you like).
I think what people forget sometimes is people buy based off of what they want, not what makes sense on paper (unless what makes sense on paper is what you want, which goes back to my point of, people buy what they want!)
I think this is what you were implying OP, that the cost is not that different and people should just buy what they want. :amen:
I debated for quite a while between a Trail and a Pro. The Pro had the right amount of equipment for the type of off-roading that I do, and I was able to score it for $1,500 under invoice. With that in mind, and knowing that I would be spending a minimum of $1,000 extra immediately on a trail to upgrade the tires, I opted for the Pro. Seemed like a no brainer to me.
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blacksheep4
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No, those things would crack right in half if anything close to the weight of the vehicle was on them. I took them off almost immediately.
Kashoggio
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I don't have the running board but I think the slides will help. My 4 year old has a hard time getting in without help
gentlypfister
New member
Hey everyone - been a little silent on here since I've been waiting on the '17s. I finally got a call Monday saying I could put my deposit down on one and I needed to specify accessories.
So - real advice here... I live in California in Los Angeles so I really don't even need remote start. I want roof rails for sure (but that's easy aftermarket). The only thing I'm truly on the fence about is the REAR SLIDING DECK!!
It feels like a real love or hate thing here. Here is what I am using my 4runner for and let me know if you guys think I will use this thing.
-Surf - Surfboards likely in the back with seats folded down. Big bin with wetsuits in the back and shortboards - Most weekends- with girlfriend and friends
-Mountain Bike - Solo missions with bike - likely easier to throw in back. I'll use a tow hitch rack if I go with buddies.
-Road trips - We hit Mexico and drive North a lot. Pack 4 or 5 people in car and pack trunk up with gear/food etc.
-Camping - infrequently, but girl and I want to go more. We have considered sleeping in the back with the seats down (I used to do this in my Grand Cherokee)
-Snowboarding - Hit the mountains at least a few weekends per season. ALl gear goes in the back. Usually roll up with a buddy or 2.
So this cargo deck...I can see how it can be cool for unloading and sitting watching surf, etc. Shoot - I would plug in a Keurig in that back outlet and sit on the deck while I sip coffee and watch the waves. That's the dream right? I also hear it can get in the way - and also may affect if my girl and I sleep in there. Anyone here try this?
Thoughts? I don't haul anything other than toys and friends. I also don't really off road unless up at snow or down in Mexico. Is it easy to take out if I hate it?
Any help or advice would be awesome. Looks like I gotta wait til March or so to actually get mine. So damn ready
PS - I decided on the TRD Pro because:
1) I like that it holds value so crazy - even though I plan on having for 10+ years
2) I am finally going Toyota after being disappointed with Jeep and Ford.
3) I like that it's all warrantied and I don't have to do anything to it (I have modded trucks in the past and I don't have the time and space for it)
3) It looks badass and again - I don't have to do a thing to it.
Cheers,
D
Love this breakdown - my thoughts exactly.
I need to get sliders at some point but those factory ones are cheap feeling...
So - real advice here... I live in California in Los Angeles so I really don't even need remote start. I want roof rails for sure (but that's easy aftermarket). The only thing I'm truly on the fence about is the REAR SLIDING DECK!!
It feels like a real love or hate thing here. Here is what I am using my 4runner for and let me know if you guys think I will use this thing.
-Surf - Surfboards likely in the back with seats folded down. Big bin with wetsuits in the back and shortboards - Most weekends- with girlfriend and friends
-Mountain Bike - Solo missions with bike - likely easier to throw in back. I'll use a tow hitch rack if I go with buddies.
-Road trips - We hit Mexico and drive North a lot. Pack 4 or 5 people in car and pack trunk up with gear/food etc.
-Camping - infrequently, but girl and I want to go more. We have considered sleeping in the back with the seats down (I used to do this in my Grand Cherokee)
-Snowboarding - Hit the mountains at least a few weekends per season. ALl gear goes in the back. Usually roll up with a buddy or 2.
So this cargo deck...I can see how it can be cool for unloading and sitting watching surf, etc. Shoot - I would plug in a Keurig in that back outlet and sit on the deck while I sip coffee and watch the waves. That's the dream right? I also hear it can get in the way - and also may affect if my girl and I sleep in there. Anyone here try this?
Thoughts? I don't haul anything other than toys and friends. I also don't really off road unless up at snow or down in Mexico. Is it easy to take out if I hate it?
Any help or advice would be awesome. Looks like I gotta wait til March or so to actually get mine. So damn ready
PS - I decided on the TRD Pro because:
1) I like that it holds value so crazy - even though I plan on having for 10+ years
2) I am finally going Toyota after being disappointed with Jeep and Ford.
3) I like that it's all warrantied and I don't have to do anything to it (I have modded trucks in the past and I don't have the time and space for it)
3) It looks badass and again - I don't have to do a thing to it.
Cheers,
D
Love this breakdown - my thoughts exactly.
I need to get sliders at some point but those factory ones are cheap feeling...
alico268
New member
Yes, sliders can definitely be used as steps albeit not as comfortable to use as a running board. The C4's are unique in that they have a step plate, but still retain an angle that keeps them high and tight to the vehicle. They really excel at gaining access to the roof as someone mentioned. Still, the quote below does well to describe my entry into the vehicle with sliders, but I'm particular about saving wear and tear on the seats and don't mind a little lunge/air squat to get in and out.
yellow wagon
New member
I have kids with a TRD Pro and the step in height is very high for my 5 year old. I usually try and lift him up into the truck otherwise his climbing action to get into the truck makes me cringe at what he's doing to the door jamb paint :redbrick: Kids can climb into the truck but its not easy I will say that
The sliding rear deck has its pros and cons. I was completely ambivalent to it, deciding I wasn't going to make it a deciding factor. The 4R I found had it, so I've used it. Could I live without it? of course, but I do like it.
Pros:
-with the rear seats folded, the floor space is level. Without the slide, the floor space is lower behind the rear seats.
-With a storage shelf in the rear, the tray makes it nice and easy to get items in and out.
-it does make a nice table/work space when pulled out.
cons:
-There are only the 2 tie downs by the handle. I added 2 eye bolts using the factors holes on the front of the divider so I can use a cargo net to hold things in place.
-smaller items just slide and roll off the slide without any way to secure them (hence the net).
-There is a small area in front of the slide (which has a cubby underneath it) that does not move with the slide. If you put stuff there, then pull out the slide, it can fall down then you can't push the slide all the way back in.
BlueSteel007
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Has anyone had any problems with their factory paint holding up...especially quicksand? I have noticed that tree sap has literally pitted the clearcoat everywhere on the roof and hood. I was able to get the small bits of tree sap off but it looks like the clearcoat did barely anything to protect the paint. I even took it to the dealer, to have them look at it since Toyota warranties the paint, and the clearcoat bubbled in dozens of spots on the 4Runner. My 2009 Tacoma never had that problem, the clearcoat was rock-solid . I clean the car often and am upset because I have never had any such thing happen before on any of my vehicles.
Also, the rotten egg smell from the exhaust that shoots through the entire cab when I step on the gas to get on the freeway or to pass, is also a bit upsetting. I know that it has something to do with the catalytic converter not burning the fuel properly or something like that, but still not a something we want in the cab.
Has anyone experienced these problems on the TRD PRO or Trail?
Also, the rotten egg smell from the exhaust that shoots through the entire cab when I step on the gas to get on the freeway or to pass, is also a bit upsetting. I know that it has something to do with the catalytic converter not burning the fuel properly or something like that, but still not a something we want in the cab.
Has anyone experienced these problems on the TRD PRO or Trail?
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Perica91
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Source: https://carsoid.com/2017-toyota-4runner/
"The first installment of the new 4Runner that has been shown by Toyota is the TRD PRO version. This comes as a little surprise, the fact that TRD PRO model sees the light of the day before regular one. Putting that on the side, new 4Runner will come in five different trims, and those are SR5, SR5 Premium, TRD PRO Off-Road, TRD PRO OFF-Road Premium and Limited."
:cheers:
yellow wagon
New member
I've noticed the paint chips really easily on my truck but no issues to clear bubbling or anything like that. If the sap is penetrating the clear tho you are going to want to have that fixed sooner than later to avoid potential rust problems. Might be able to get Toyota to reshoot the truck with a more durable clear or something
Engineer
New member
The exhaust smell is normal and its from negative pressure created at the rear of the vehicle pulling in the fumes under acceleration through the rear window. If you are smelling it with all windows up I would say that's not the norm. The fix is to route the exhaust out the side, not the rear. If you abuse the truck off road you will find the exhaust out the back also gets smashed pretty fast so its a win win in most peoples book to re route it.
On the paint issue, I think that's all you. No idea what the composition of the sap is, how long it sat on the paint etc etc but I doubt Toyota will help you out with that one. Maybe try to keep a solid protective coating on it.
TRUSTYAXE
New member
It does chip easily but my clear coat is holding up just fine in the Florida sun. I do wax it with turtle wax ICE, clear coat alone won't hold up long.
Mine came with the cargo slider, I like it a lot with the addition of a net.
The Nfab steps work well, if you have little ones some sort of step is a good idea. From what I've read sliders as steps don't work very well, too high. Some members have warned that they are hard on the wifes clothes in crappy weather and I think a few have wiped out trying to use them as steps.
I prefer the look without them but I have others to consider.
Engineer
New member
I am sure you are aware but for others. Not all sliders are designed the same, some come straight out, some are angled up. The ones that angled up really do not make great steps, every adult who has gotten In my truck always does a double take visually and then ask what's up with the bent steps then proceed to struggle slightly to get it. The slider top is maybe 1-2" below the door sill but its pushed out 4-6" so it makes an awkward stepping up then in motion as you are not "in" the truck when you step on the slider and are actually further away then you think.
Not a big deal for active normal adults and everyone else manages but if the #1 goal is steps for kids, buy steps. I thought a company made a set of sliders with bolt on steps but I can not find them.....When little ones come around for me I will strongly consider that option so I can have functional sliders when needed by removing the steps.
