4th Gen Suspension Options/FAQ

Sorry Ark did not specify, tires are 285/70/17, I already have 1.5" All Pro wheel spacers.

I was referring to needing a top off spacer in the struts. You think I have toi go up to 2.5" on the Billie's or can I get away with 1.75"?

EDIT: realized this was not meant for me. Disregard as I am crazy. Thanks!
 
I am planning on getting my 285s mounted tomorrow. I currently have FJ Coils and 5100s at 1.75. I am planning on adjusting them up to 2.5" this evening.

Question #1 is adjustment to 2.5" 100% necessary? #2 if yes would I also need a top off spacer?

I actually got a used set of KM2's for free (25% tread left) but they were free and now I get to play around with sizing & rubbing before buying new tires and potentially slicing them on the trail.

I am planning on going out with the NE guys this weekend in NH and will get a good idea of what I need to adjust. Thanks guys!!!!

The tires being used will help, still quite a bit to prevent all rubbing. Definitely need more lift, moving the shocks up should help. You could add a small topout spacer, but I wouldn't suggest any more than a 1/4" spacer because you'll probably be over 3.5" lift.

For an idea, here's my setup. 4" lift, 1.25" wheel spacers, and 285/70/17 duratracs. To get rid of all rubbing I had to do the following:
Remove mud flaps front/rear
Move front fender liners forward
Trim a little around the edge of the front bumper
Trim the lower part of the fender flare behind the front tire

The 1.5" spacers will make it a little worse on the rubbing. You can get by with less initially, but that's what I've had to do. Also, you may rub on the body mount and have to do the chop.
 
Thanks a lot, I knew I was going to have to do some trimming and I am not opposed to it. I am going to adjust the shocks tonight and hold off on the top off spacer as I am already going to be very close to 3" if not over. The only way the body mount will rub is at full turn correct? I can deal with that right off the bat. Do you happen to have any pics of where you trimmed so I can get an idea? Thanks!!!
 
This is where I rubbed on the fender flare. I trimmed this area but still need a little more.
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For the front bumper, I followed JAs write up, it's at the bottom of this page.
Toyota 4Runner Wheel Spacers


I will say rubbing varies with every setup and you may not have issues here, especially with work tires, but it gives you an idea of what to expect.
 
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Thanks Ark, doesn't seem that bad, I'll work with the tires once I get them on. This is why I wanted to get these old ones on first.
 
What size tires are you getting? Wheel spacers are made anywhere from .75"-1.5" from reputable sources, for the most part it just depends on how far out you want the tires.

As big as I can fit without rubbing, cutting or trimming.....gonna
Use the factory rims, I am not sure if that limits me or not...?
 
Another quick question...I want to get daystar installed before next weekend and not sure if I will have time for install....

A local truck shop wanted 65.00 a tire for install...is this reasonable??
 
Another NooB!

Hello all,

I've done quite a bit of reading on this thread and I believe (ya, right..lol) that I understand the differences, pros/cons of suspension .vs. body lifts. I'm considering a coil-over lift kit like the Toytec 3" Ultimate or OME equivalent and what I'd really like to know from the experts is if I can expect a corresponding increase in ground clearance - as measured under the pan? Like in the 2-3" range depending on how the adjustable's are set?

I don't expect to be rock crawling in this vehicle - as it's my DD too - but I want to be sure that I'm headed the right direction in terms of off-road access to two track/desert/mountain pass type terrain out west here. I'm certainly looking at upgraded skid-plates/bumpers for protection, which is leading down the path of a coil over lift .vs. body lift, as well.

Oh yea, I'm a new owner of a an 07' Limited V6. It's stock for now, running 18" rims, P265/60R18 Nitto Crosstek's.

Sorry for the noob question - the answer probably lies somewhere within this vault, but sometimes it's good to have your questions answered straight away..

Thanks...and an awesome resource this site is BTW!

Mike
 
Thanks Ark, doesn't seem that bad, I'll work with the tires once I get them on. This is why I wanted to get these old ones on first.

Not too bad, as long as you're prepared to deal with it. I wasn't expecting to have to start cutting like I did, but it wasn't bad.

As big as I can fit without rubbing, cutting or trimming.....gonna
Use the factory rims, I am not sure if that limits me or not...?

Another quick question...I want to get daystar installed before next weekend and not sure if I will have time for install....

A local truck shop wanted 65.00 a tire for install...is this reasonable??

Could I fit wrangler duratec 275/70/18??? If not what size would you recommend??

With no rubbing, cutting, or trimming you're not going to have many options for larger tires. You could most likely run a 265/65/18 without rubbing and possibly a 275/65/18. If you add wheel spacers, then trimming would definitely be needed on the 275/65/18 and possibly needed with the 265/65/18. Wheel spacers will increase rubbing.

To me it sounds like your set on your lift spacers (Daystar 2.5/1.5) and your only question is the wheel spacers. If you're not wanting to deal with rubbing/trimming, safest option is to not add the wheel spacers.

If you mean the shop is charging $65 / tire for the lift install, that's not a great price, but also not as bad as other quotes I've seen. I personally wouldn't pay $260 total for the installation because it's a pretty easy job. I would say that's average cost, really comes down to your choice of whether or not you want to deal with it.

Hello all,

I've done quite a bit of reading on this thread and I believe (ya, right..lol) that I understand the differences, pros/cons of suspension .vs. body lifts. I'm considering a coil-over lift kit like the Toytec 3" Ultimate or OME equivalent and what I'd really like to know from the experts is if I can expect a corresponding increase in ground clearance - as measured under the pan? Like in the 2-3" range depending on how the adjustable's are set?

I don't expect to be rock crawling in this vehicle - as it's my DD too - but I want to be sure that I'm headed the right direction in terms of off-road access to two track/desert/mountain pass type terrain out west here. I'm certainly looking at upgraded skid-plates/bumpers for protection, which is leading down the path of a coil over lift .vs. body lift, as well.

Oh yea, I'm a new owner of a an 07' Limited V6. It's stock for now, running 18" rims, P265/60R18 Nitto Crosstek's.

Sorry for the noob question - the answer probably lies somewhere within this vault, but sometimes it's good to have your questions answered straight away..

Thanks...and an awesome resource this site is BTW!

Mike

Hi Mike, congrats on the purchase! The coilover or OME lifts you mention are all suspension lifts, which means they will give you added clearance underneath. Body lifts only lift the body from the frame, so you have more room for tire clearance but you do not gain any clearance underneath.

My opinion is do the suspension (Toytec coil-overs, OME, etc) first, and then add the body lift only if you need the added clearance for the tires you choose.
 
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285s mounted! Trimming tonight after work!!! here is a quick pic I snapped on my way into work. Better ones this evening when I have some time.
 

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Hi Mike, congrats on the purchase! The coilover or OME lifts you mention are all suspension lifts, which means they will give you added clearance underneath. Body lifts only lift the body from the frame, so you have more room for tire clearance but you do not gain any clearance underneath.

My opinion is do the suspension (Toytec coil-overs, OME, etc) first, and then add the body lift only if you need the added clearance for the tires you choose.

Hi Ark,

Thank you for the feedback and the confirmation on my ground clearance question!

Back to the decision process now :ybrick:...3" Toytec Ultimate kit, 3" Toytec FJ/Bilstein kit, or 3" OME are on the list for now. Not sure I'll need the on-vehicle adjustability of the Ultimate kit, but it might be nice if I add bumpers/weight on the front end down the road.
 
285s mounted! Trimming tonight after work!!! here is a quick pic I snapped on my way into work. Better ones this evening when I have some time.

Looking good! You'll likely get by with much less trimming on road, it's tire trails where it becomes an issue. Trimming the front bumper and moving the liner forward was all I needed until my first off road trip.

Hi Ark,

Thank you for the feedback and the confirmation on my ground clearance question!

Back to the decision process now :ybrick:...3" Toytec Ultimate kit, 3" Toytec FJ/Bilstein kit, or 3" OME are on the list for now. Not sure I'll need the on-vehicle adjustability of the Ultimate kit, but it might be nice if I add bumpers/weight on the front end down the road.

If it's in your budget I would go with the coil over kit, on road ride will be better than ome and it gives more options in the future if you add weight. Also, Toytec does offer a discount for members, so keep that in mind.
 
"Looking good! You'll likely get by with much less trimming on road, it's tire trails where it becomes an issue. Trimming the front bumper and moving the liner forward was all I needed until my first off road trip."

Understood, thats why I wanted to mount used tires first so I didn't gash a new set first day on the trail. I plan on going wheeling this weekend with the NE guys and getting a good feel for where I need to trim what. I am planning on packing all my trim gear in case I have to perform surgery on the trail. Hope not though.
 
If it's in your budget I would go with the coil over kit, on road ride will be better than ome and it gives more options in the future if you add weight. Also, Toytec does offer a discount for members, so keep that in mind.



Ark, are you recommending the Ultimate CO Kit ($1189) - or the FJ/Bilstein kit ($889) from Toytec? I thought both were adjustable CO kits - but the Ultimate has the added advantage of being able to adjust the front CO's while on vehicle (vs disassembling to change height). Maybe I'm a little off here?

Also, I did not know about the Toytec discount for members. Do you have details on codes, discount amounts...etc?

Thanks!
Mike
 
Ark, are you recommending the Ultimate CO Kit ($1189) - or the FJ/Bilstein kit ($889) from Toytec? I thought both were adjustable CO kits - but the Ultimate has the added advantage of being able to adjust the front CO's while on vehicle (vs disassembling to change height). Maybe I'm a little off here?

Also, I did not know about the Toytec discount for members. Do you have details on codes, discount amounts...etc?

Thanks!
Mike

I was referring to the ultimate kit. The ultimate kit is fully adjustable where the fj/bilstein kit just uses the the preset notches on the 5100s, so it's adjustable, just not in the same sense as the ultimate kit.

Info on the discount:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/www-toyteclifts-com/77882-toytec-toyota-4runner-org-discount-code.html
 

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