5th Gen Oil Recommendation? New Owner!
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MidniteTRD
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textbook for a new engine. generally speaking wear metals are not to be taken at face value if the engine's under 30k miles, only use the figures to establish a long term trend.
high copper and silicon are normally high at break in and will trend down over the next couple years' use. AL should come down slightly over time but its fine. FE's good, be aware iron tends to track proportionately with miles and is ideally between 1-2 PPM per 1000 miles in most engines but our 1GR's sometimes spit out 3, maybe due to the timing chain material. everything else is awesome, no bearing or ring material (lead/tin and chrome respectively). i don't pay too much attention to moly personally, there are different formulations (organic, trinuclear) so high moly doesn't guarantee less wear or vice versa. that said Amsoil uses a pretty decent amount and that's probably not a bad thing considering their repuation.
even without a TBN test i'd bet you could have done 8k with room to spare, viscosity and flashpoint are solid.
some other useful 5th gen UOA's for reference, specifically new engine wear characteristics:
500 mile TRD PRO factory fill (it shows forklift instead of vehicle and hours instead of miles)
2500 mile TRD PRO, same truck as above
5000 miles on factory fill in a 2014
[URL="https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2901535/1"]10k mile 2012
1300 mile 2013
[/URL]a good example of a long term trend and initial wear metals, from member Woz1976-MT
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Hammer0313
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This is a fantastic tool I found for calculating viscosity at ANY temperature. One thing I always hated about the oil data sheets is they only give you two cSt viscosity, one at 100C/212F and the other at 40C/104F. But that tells you absolutely nothing about your oil viscosity at 10, 20, or 32 degrees Fahrenheit or even -20 and everything in between. The standard oil data sheets don’t have the cold morning calculations, and now that I know our 4Runner have an oil cooler this will be a really good tool with helping explain a future post.
Calculate viscosity at given temperature | Nimac Great Britain
Calculate viscosity at given temperature | Nimac Great Britain
Hammer0313
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Thank you Sir, I really appreciate you taking the time to put all that together for me. Cheers!
MidniteTRD
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no problem...i've been in a similar situation as well being a new owner so i had a lot of these reports bookmarked, glad to share.
ElectroBoy
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Which Mobil oil?
Well, according to the poll numbers, Mobil is the preferred oil by the majority.
But which Mobil oil?
There are at least seven 0w-20 products to choose from:
ESP X2 0W-20,
Annual Protection 0W-20,
Extended Performance 0W-20,
Advanced Fuel Economy 0W-20,
Truck & SUV 0W-20,
Extended Performance High Mileage 0W-20,
High Mileage 0W-20
??
Well, according to the poll numbers, Mobil is the preferred oil by the majority.
But which Mobil oil?
There are at least seven 0w-20 products to choose from:
ESP X2 0W-20,
Annual Protection 0W-20,
Extended Performance 0W-20,
Advanced Fuel Economy 0W-20,
Truck & SUV 0W-20,
Extended Performance High Mileage 0W-20,
High Mileage 0W-20
??
Hammer0313
New member
When i was making this thread i tried to brake down the oils by the different formulas but the Poll only allows 15 different options, so thats what we got.
I’d like to know the answer to this myself.
Hammer0313
New member
One thing that has always bothered me about the Oil Data Sheets is they only give you 100C/212F and 40C/104F for reference, but that tells you nothing about the cold climate characteristics. So, I got some interesting info using the online viscosity calculator. Just for fun i ran the Toyota 0w20 from -50 degrees Fahrenheit to 260 degrees Fahrenheite in values of 20 degrees.
You can do this with any oil if you have the 110C and 40C values off the oil data sheet, all you need to convert the Celsius to Fahrenheit. Online calculator link will be at the bottom.
TOYOTA 0W20 cSt VALUES FROM -50F TO 260F
-50F = 5736.96
-30F = 1969.91
-10F = 803.09
0 F = 539.1
20F = 267.67
40F = 147.73
60F = 88.05
80F = 56.18
100F = 37.93
120F = 26.84
140F = 19.72
160F = 15.02
180F = 11.77
200F = 9.45
220F = 7.74
240F = 6.46
260F = 5.48
If you compare the 20 weight oils and the 30 weight oils using this viscosity calculator at cold or extremely cold climates you can clearly see the advantages of the 20's in cold climates.
Calculate viscosity at given temperature | Nimac Great Britain
You can do this with any oil if you have the 110C and 40C values off the oil data sheet, all you need to convert the Celsius to Fahrenheit. Online calculator link will be at the bottom.
TOYOTA 0W20 cSt VALUES FROM -50F TO 260F
-50F = 5736.96
-30F = 1969.91
-10F = 803.09
0 F = 539.1
20F = 267.67
40F = 147.73
60F = 88.05
80F = 56.18
100F = 37.93
120F = 26.84
140F = 19.72
160F = 15.02
180F = 11.77
200F = 9.45
220F = 7.74
240F = 6.46
260F = 5.48
If you compare the 20 weight oils and the 30 weight oils using this viscosity calculator at cold or extremely cold climates you can clearly see the advantages of the 20's in cold climates.
Calculate viscosity at given temperature | Nimac Great Britain
well most use Mobil 1 0-20wt advanced .. this is the oil I used for 3 years on my 2016 runner. many had a engine ticking issue on cold starts.
mobil oil does not have the additives compared to toyota 0-20WT SN PLUS. SN PLUS HAS MOLYBDENUM ..............
my engine now has very little noise on a cold start only a exhaust noise .this Toyota oil is a bit expensive $7.30 a qt... Mobil 1 I only pay 5qts for $28... much cheaper.
the Toyota oil got me a extra 1-2 MPG .. it works better than mobil...........
edit: looks like Mobil now has a Mobil Super Synthetic 0-20wt .. has SN PLUS.. I do not have the lab test on this oil.. this qt cost is $8.00 ...............
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Jivewalker
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I was able to talk my dealer parts counter into around $6.20.Qt., I usually buy 14 at a time. You may be able to do the same. I like the TGMO.
Dynamo
New member
$4.83 per quart at my dealer when bought through their online parts site. They do ship though I just pick it up to save on shipping.
$4.83 - 0W20 Single Quart
or
$28.94 for a case of 6
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Hammer0313
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If you live in cold / extremely cold climates this is something you need to see; the numbers dont lie. Toyota 0w20 cold flow characteristics are Far Superior to the other oils, by a huge amount. And on the top end at 250 degrees Fahrenheit is was right there with the rest. So if you prefer 0w20 and live up north, Toyota 0w20 full synthetic is a really good option. It has a superior service range in the 0w20 category.
ElectroBoy
Banned
Very interesting, thanks for that info. Those 0W20 motor oils listed all performed about the same at the high temps.
Have you seen any chart data for how they performed at high temps as compared to a 0W30, such as Amsoil?
Hammer0313
New member
I can calculate any oils you want, up to any temperature you want just let me know. Just give me a day and i can get it done.
ElectroBoy
Banned
Here’s an interesting article. Not sure if it was posted already.
What is the difference between engine oils 0w-30, 5w-30, 10w-30? - Quora
What is the difference between engine oils 0w-30, 5w-30, 10w-30? - Quora
I've always used Mobile 1 when I change it, along with the extended life filter from wal-mart.
There is a youtube channel called 'project farm' where a guy tests different oils. Apparently Mobile1 and Amazon basics (which I don't see on the list and didn't know existed) performed about the same as Mobile 1. Crazy.
There is a youtube channel called 'project farm' where a guy tests different oils. Apparently Mobile1 and Amazon basics (which I don't see on the list and didn't know existed) performed about the same as Mobile 1. Crazy.
2016 4Runner SR5
Senior Member
Same goes for supertech from Walmart. Both Amazon and Walmart oils are made by the same company. In all honesty, looking at real data, Mobil 1 is really nothing special. There are better oils out there, people just keep using M1 because they think it's the best. Toyota oil is a better option than M1 and the 4.0 runs quieter with it.
Hammer0313
New member
The service range of the Toyota 0w20 is far superior to the other 0w20 oils i looked at; take a look at the attachment. At -20 degrees Fahrenheit the Toyota oil is shockingly far better, and on the top end at 250 degree Fahrenheit its right there with the rest. Fantastic service range!
