5th gen runner vs new grand cherokee
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CookieRoe
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Hysterical: Yes.
Pathetic: Definitely.
Those trails look very tame. My ex-2000 CRV looks like it could've tackled what I saw on that video.
Cherokee: Cool to see the Cherokee name back, but it's for women and guys who have no testosterone. I'm sure it will sell well.
Grand Cherokee: Very nice, however it's a "throw away" vehicle. If your intentions of trading it after a few years or whatever, then it's fine. If you plan on keeping it after the warranty is up, well, you deserve what is coming to you.
4TR: I'll take one every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Canazes9
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Starting w/ the The Rubicon Trail - on a scale of 1-10 its rated "Most Difficult" - WTF?
Articulation is more difficult to see - especially when there is none...
Then they slap a trail rated sticker on it and say the trail rated badge means you can pretty much go anywhere you need to go and feel confident while you're doing it - were you confident the POS was going to make it up that trail without incurring major damage?
I didn't see them say its a rinky dinky cross over that's a little better than its competitors - they are saying its a bonafide OR machine.
David
JayceeP
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Keeping in mind the Cherokee will target a completely different buyer than a Wrangler, GC, or 4R, I would have to assume this is for vehicles within its class. I don't think the intention is to imply it will take on a lifted TE off-road. They have the Wrangler for that. I'm sure here is also an element of liability in these commercials. Even the Wrangler ones are soft-core. I'm not a pro, but could the Ford Escape do that same run as easily? I just figured no. Guess they sold me.
I wouldn't expect them to- it's marketing. Just like Hyundai implies the Elantra is the Lamborghini of 4-door compact sedans with it's urban commercials.
Taking it all with a grain of salt.
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Canazes9
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Keeping in mind the Cherokee will target a completely different buyer than a Wrangler, GC, or 4R, I would have to assume this is for vehicles within its class. I don't think the intention is to imply it will take on a lifted TE off-road. They have the Wrangler for that. I'm sure here is also an element of liability in these commercials. Even the Wrangler ones are soft-core. I'm not a pro, but could the Ford Escape do that same run as easily? I just figured no. Guess they sold me.
I wouldn't expect them to- it's marketing. Just like Hyundai implies the Elantra is the Lamborghini of 4-door compact sedans with it's urban commercials.
Taking it all with a grain of salt.
I easily think a RAV4 AWD could drive the same terrain as that Cherokee - not sure which of the others on your list even had AWD, but if they have it they probably could also.
I also think that they would all be equally beat to heck as well when you were done (if you were able to finish).
Pure stupidity and false advertising, but if it appeals to you, feel free...
David
victor_t4r
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hi every one the name is victor just heard about this forum
looks cool i own a 2000 4runner sr5
all i know is that i love my 4runner!lol
looks cool i own a 2000 4runner sr5
all i know is that i love my 4runner!lol
2013Trail
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"Then they slap a trail rated sticker on it and say the trail rated badge means you can pretty much go anywhere you need to go and feel confident while you're doing it - were you confident the POS was going to make it up that trail without incurring major damage?
All I know is I bought one of those Trail Rated stickers and slapped it on my wife's 2004 Ford Taurus. She took it off road the other day, up in the Black Mountains, and drove straight down the face of a 2,000 foot cliff without losing traction. I'm tellin' ya, those Trail Rated stickers work!
All I know is I bought one of those Trail Rated stickers and slapped it on my wife's 2004 Ford Taurus. She took it off road the other day, up in the Black Mountains, and drove straight down the face of a 2,000 foot cliff without losing traction. I'm tellin' ya, those Trail Rated stickers work!
STX4Runner
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Just watched the Jeep videos of the Trailhawk Cherokee on the Rubicon. Add that to the 4Wheeler article and video of the stock TE finishing the Rubicon with no major damage and I am wondering what the deal is. I know its a really hard trail, but how are the OEMs able to take stock vehicles on it, while trip reports on 4x4 sites and magazines detail the built rigs and carnage on the Rubicon?
Jeremy556
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Did the JEEP video ever actually say it went all the way through the Rubicon in one piece? IIRC, the stock TE that Toyota took through the Rubicon did incur a good bit of body damage.
No matter what, if there is enough will to get a vehicle through anything, it can get through. Just a matter of how much time/effort/money you are willing to expend. There was a clip on Expo a while back of some guy taking a LR4 through the "hardest trail in South Africa". The video consisted of a bunch of a few dozen people being paid to build a road one rock at a time to get a minivan through a maybe 5 rated trail.
STX4Runner
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You're right, the TE on the Rubicon did have some body damage, but only on the rear driver's side door. It also had dented skidplates and muffler and mudflaps trashed. At least they said it finished and with no major damage. I'm sure some rack stacking was necessary. At least our vehicle's Rubicon experience was documented by an impartial third party (4Wheeler Mag.) and they said it was impressive. And this is coming from a Jeep-centric mag and not some puff piece put on line by Toyota like that Jeep video that dosen't even mention if it finished. Sorry to hijack this thread. Back to the original purpose. :flamethrwoer2:JEEP Cherokee
LandCruiser
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Has any factory-ish vehicle made it over the Rubicon without an army of rock stacking monkeys?
Whiplash Willy
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It made it about half way through the trail before it started having electrical issues.
JSparky
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I was being cynical.. three transmissions is ridiculous yes. However on the other hand he has had no other issues. Apparently for his year the trannies had some major issues so Jeep basically takes care of him whenever he has an issue, pretty good CS in my book but yea still a major flaw.
Zeder
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Yes @ the 12 second mark, it looks like it impacts the boulder and slides off of it. Good eye!
That is definitely NOT a normal rocker panel! Does the Trailhalk come with these OEM?
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1engineer
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Yet people still buy the JGC. Chrysler recalling nearly 141k vehicles over electrical woes - Autoblog
I did the Rubicon a few years back with my local cruiser club. We had 4 or 5 80 series and 5 40 series land cruisers on the trail. The 40's were small enough that they could bypass most of the difficult obstacles and would not have any issues completing the trail bone stock. The 80 series (all well built and fully armored) on the other hand were just to large and we all had some light damage. I believe with a small SUV with a short wheelbase and a few bypasses that you could make it through the Rubicon fairly easily. The trail is much tamer than it used to be.
