6th gen (2025) 4Runner prices released

[02SE]

Today I got a good look at a 2025 TRD ORP. The MSRP was 58,000+. What bothered me most, was the obvious cost-cutting throughout the vehicle. It also actually felt a bit more cramped than my 5th gen TRD ORP.

The 6th gen TRD ORP does not have the sway bar disconnect as an option. My 5th gen TRD ORP has KDSS, which I really like. It drastically improves handling on-road, and axle articulation is much better on the trail, vs a Non-KDSS 5th gen, IME.

I really do want to like the 6th gen, but so far I'm just lukewarm on it. Maybe they'll upgrade materials and options as time goes on.

With regards to price.

In 1997 I bought a new 3rd gen SR5, V6, 4wd, 5-speed manual, rear diff locker, Moonroof, factory leather, premium sound, etc. It's MSRP was $34,000+.

According to the Consumer Price Index, that is equivalent to just over $67,000 today. About the same MSRP as a 6th gen TRD Pro, or Trailhunter.

Putting in the MSRP of my 5th gen TRD ORP, into the CPI calculator, it is almost exactly the same as the MSRP of the 6th gen TRD ORP I looked at today.

 

[Jetboy]

FWIW - old thread, but I had family in town who rented a 6th gen limited non-hybrid for about 2 weeks and I got to spend some time driving it in a few conditions. Overall - there's a lot to like about the powertrain IMO. It's quiet, smoother than the 1GR, more similar in power feel than I expected, but significant improvement in transmission tuning and highway cruising with cruise control. I liked the electric power steering a lot. The on-center highway steering is about a billion times better than the 5th gen. Hard to overstate how much better the steering and IFS geometry is improved.

BUT - a week in it convinced me that I probably won't buy one. The outward visibility is just awful. It may literally be worse than an FJ Cruiser. It was like driving a Mustang. The windshield is soo short vertically, my head hits the sunroof, and even at that view point as high as my eyes could be in the cabin the hood is still so high and long it takes up the bottom roughly 4-5 inches of windshield visibility. In short - you can't see out of the damn thing. The hood is also quite literally longer than my Tundra - by about 4 inches side by side in the driveway.

The rearward visibility is also notably worse. The rear window is smaller and the rear seats block most of the visibility. But also the rear cargo area is very noticeably shorter in height. It would be impossible to put a mountain bike in upright with the front tire removed by probably 8+ inches. That's how I normally carried mine inside my 5th gen. Now - this was a limited so it has the third row and mine was an OG TEP (no third row) so that's a big difference. But it was really surprising to me how small the cargo area is in the new one vs my 5th gen.

My other big negative is the rear cargo hatch using linear actuators. Those suck. My RX uses a much better door actuator that is a stand-alone system and it's both faster and allows you to easily manually open and shut the hatch without overcoming the linear actuator struts. I get it - it's a cheaper way to do it. But the door is slow AF to open and you can't just swing it open quickly like my RX or my 5th gen. I'd probably prefer a non-powered hatch for my typical use.

Finally - the ground clearance and body clearance is much improved. Rear bumper is really high and tight. Sill plates are a mile off the ground and for the vast majority of people they probably won't even need sliders. The body is just tucked up really high. And the wheel clearance is amazing. We already know 35's are just bolt on and 37s are easy to fit. Totally different from the 5th gen and much better. Only downside is that IMO it looks silly with the factory tires. They're way too small for the wheel wells. But it's a nice improvement.

Overall - mostly positives, but the short roof and tall and unusually long hood make it pretty low on my list. Really unfortunate that Toyota went with that design. The LC250 is much better and the one I would want - if they offered without the hybrid. The hybrid is a net negative for me. The space loss and performance loss isn't worth the nearly imperceptible mpg gain and inverter. Even if it were free - I'd rather not have the hybrid system as currently configured. Ultimate conclusion for me is that it was a mixed bag and probably not going to end up in my driveway.

 

[Lemming]

FWIW - old thread, but I had family in town who rented a 6th gen limited non-hybrid for about 2 weeks and I got to spend some time driving it in a few conditions. Overall - there's a lot to like about the powertrain IMO. It's quiet, smoother than the 1GR, more similar in power feel than I expected, but significant improvement in transmission tuning and highway cruising with cruise control. I liked the electric power steering a lot. The on-center highway steering is about a billion times better than the 5th gen. Hard to overstate how much better the steering and IFS geometry is improved.

BUT - a week in it convinced me that I probably won't buy one. The outward visibility is just awful. It may literally be worse than an FJ Cruiser. It was like driving a Mustang. The windshield is soo short vertically, my head hits the sunroof, and even at that view point as high as my eyes could be in the cabin the hood is still so high and long it takes up the bottom roughly 4-5 inches of windshield visibility. In short - you can't see out of the damn thing. The hood is also quite literally longer than my Tundra - by about 4 inches side by side in the driveway.

The rearward visibility is also notably worse. The rear window is smaller and the rear seats block most of the visibility. But also the rear cargo area is very noticeably shorter in height. It would be impossible to put a mountain bike in upright with the front tire removed by probably 8+ inches. That's how I normally carried mine inside my 5th gen. Now - this was a limited so it has the third row and mine was an OG TEP (no third row) so that's a big difference. But it was really surprising to me how small the cargo area is in the new one vs my 5th gen.

My other big negative is the rear cargo hatch using linear actuators. Those suck. My RX uses a much better door actuator that is a stand-alone system and it's both faster and allows you to easily manually open and shut the hatch without overcoming the linear actuator struts. I get it - it's a cheaper way to do it. But the door is slow AF to open and you can't just swing it open quickly like my RX or my 5th gen. I'd probably prefer a non-powered hatch for my typical use.

Finally - the ground clearance and body clearance is much improved. Rear bumper is really high and tight. Sill plates are a mile off the ground and for the vast majority of people they probably won't even need sliders. The body is just tucked up really high. And the wheel clearance is amazing. We already know 35's are just bolt on and 37s are easy to fit. Totally different from the 5th gen and much better. Only downside is that IMO it looks silly with the factory tires. They're way too small for the wheel wells. But it's a nice improvement.

Overall - mostly positives, but the short roof and tall and unusually long hood make it pretty low on my list. Really unfortunate that Toyota went with that design. The LC250 is much better and the one I would want - if they offered without the hybrid. The hybrid is a net negative for me. The space loss and performance loss isn't worth the nearly imperceptible mpg gain and inverter. Even if it were free - I'd rather not have the hybrid system as currently configured. Ultimate conclusion for me is that it was a mixed bag and probably not going to end up in my driveway.

May I ask how tall you are?

 

[Jetboy]

May I ask how tall you are?

Sure. I'm 6'3" and pretty thin (about 200lbs).

(The only reason I mention weight is that it does affect head height in a seat - heavier people will have more cushion under them when sitting and end up sitting higher up than someone with less built in cushion )

 

[Jeff_DML]

Sure. I'm 6'3" and pretty thin (about 200lbs).

(The only reason I mention weight is that it does affect head height in a seat - heavier people will have more cushion under them when sitting and end up sitting higher up than someone with less built in cushion )

But you have less cushion to push down the cushionound: