6th gen 3.5L 4runner in 2022/ 2023?
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Jetboy
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TLC doesn't really have to be one or the other. In most markets the range goes from poverty pack to luxury. You can currently buy a lc200 with the same 4.0l v6 as the 4R and the 5 speed AT or a 5 speed MT with cloth seats and a vinyl floor (incidentally it costs basically the same as a current 4R) and you can then option all the way up to the $100k LX570.
I don't see any reason the LC300 couldn't have a wide range of options. Or - even just two. Base and premium. Base model is turbo 6, 2 rows, basic interior, and offroad features. Premium upgrades the interior and adds a hybrid system.
My guess is Toyota is really just saying that they're going to bring the GX model to the North America market. I'd probably buy it over a 4Runner if it were available - so long as it didn't get 13mpg and weigh 6000+ lbs... that's the deal breaker for me. Has been since the LC200 came out. It has to get more fuel efficient - and I mean like twice as fuel efficient.
Put this on a show room floor for $45k and I'd bet it'll sell a LOT better than the current LC200
Also - just because it shows how little effort TOyota really puts into the 4Runner vs the LC - check out the ladder setup on the LC200. It's super slick. And OEM.
And dual batteries? - Yep. OEM.
Biggest downside to the base model VDJ200 is that it has the non-inter-cooled diesel. 182hp / 317ft/lb. That's a tough sell. But Toyota also sells a Prado 150 still with a 5-LE non-turbo diesel (it has 93hp). Can you imagine how slow a 4Runner would be with a 93hp engine. Dear god. And no it also doesn't have much torque - 146 ft lbs. I'm not sure it would outrun a golf cart. 0-60 would probably be 20 seconds. I'm legitimately not sure it could maintain highway speeds unloaded. So - maybe Toyota shouldn't go all the way to the bottom of the lineup.
I don't see any reason the LC300 couldn't have a wide range of options. Or - even just two. Base and premium. Base model is turbo 6, 2 rows, basic interior, and offroad features. Premium upgrades the interior and adds a hybrid system.
My guess is Toyota is really just saying that they're going to bring the GX model to the North America market. I'd probably buy it over a 4Runner if it were available - so long as it didn't get 13mpg and weigh 6000+ lbs... that's the deal breaker for me. Has been since the LC200 came out. It has to get more fuel efficient - and I mean like twice as fuel efficient.
Put this on a show room floor for $45k and I'd bet it'll sell a LOT better than the current LC200
Also - just because it shows how little effort TOyota really puts into the 4Runner vs the LC - check out the ladder setup on the LC200. It's super slick. And OEM.
And dual batteries? - Yep. OEM.
Biggest downside to the base model VDJ200 is that it has the non-inter-cooled diesel. 182hp / 317ft/lb. That's a tough sell. But Toyota also sells a Prado 150 still with a 5-LE non-turbo diesel (it has 93hp). Can you imagine how slow a 4Runner would be with a 93hp engine. Dear god. And no it also doesn't have much torque - 146 ft lbs. I'm not sure it would outrun a golf cart. 0-60 would probably be 20 seconds. I'm legitimately not sure it could maintain highway speeds unloaded. So - maybe Toyota shouldn't go all the way to the bottom of the lineup.
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ElectroBoy
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Put this on a show room floor for $45k and I'd bet it'll sell a LOT better than the current LC200
Also - just because it shows how little effort TOyota really puts into the 4Runner vs the LC - check out the ladder setup on the LC200. It's super slick. And OEM.
Biggest downside to the base model VDJ200 is that it has the non-inter-cooled diesel. 182hp / 317ft/lb. That's a tough sell. But Toyota also sells a Prado 150 still with a 5-LE non-turbo diesel (it has 93hp). Can you imagine how slow a 4Runner would be with a 93hp engine. Dear god. And no it also doesn't have much torque - 146 ft lbs. I'm not sure it would outrun a golf cart. 0-60 would probably be 20 seconds. I'm legitimately not sure it could maintain highway speeds unloaded. So - maybe Toyota shouldn't go all the way to the bottom of the lineup.
Very interesting, thanks for all that info. A couple of observations about the photos.
- The rake on that would drive all the levelers on this forum crazy, it looks like a six inch difference.
- That minimal ladder. How is someone other than Spidermen supposed to use it? Left foot on bumper, right foot on tail light step, left foot on ?
Or is it right foot on tire, left foot on tail light step, right foot on munchkin two-step? :lmao:
Anyway, I like it.
LandCruiser
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Notice the frame is almost level, tho.
Jetboy
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That's an interesting observation. I really have no idea. I haven't ever actually seen one in person. I think the idea is basically that you just step on the bar above the light and the upper part is mostly for a hand hold. The LC200 really isn't all that tall and equally important is that the roof isn't all that wide. Much like the 4Runner - for the most part you can reach everything from the ground anyway. So the paradox I see is that you probably need to be fairly tall to step up to the step bar, but at the same time a person who's fairly tall can just reach the top rack without the step. Especially if you have the ambulance doors so you can stand easily on the rear bumper or interior area.
I think it's similar in step up distance to something like this:
On vehicles like a sprinter van, or even a Suburban (I had one about 20 years ago) getting up to the top rack, you often would need to actually climb up on top. Not only due to height, but also because the reach is so far across the rack to get to stuff in the middle. In those cases a ladder is probably a necessity and really useful.
david05111
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I think Toyota understands that the 4runner heritage is valuable. In that respect, I doubt they'd ever go away from BOF engineering on it. There are loads of other options for unibodies, etc. like the Highlander. The 4runner is something different, and they have a heavy share of that market. I can't imagine they'd abandon it and leave it to the Tahoe/Yukon, etc.
As for power train, I bet it's the 3.5 out of the Taco with some tweaks. I think they realize the current platform is down on power and torque compared to it's competitors, so I'm betting they try to push numbers close to 325-340. Enough of a boost for people to take notice, but nothing crazy.
They'll throw a 7 speed or something in it to appease that crowd and try to increase efficiency well into 20s for combined economy. I expect they might finally throw us a bone with upgraded HID headlights, as well as other little luxuries like ventilated seats. I also expect it will get full TSS 2.0, or maybe even 3.0 by then.
As for power train, I bet it's the 3.5 out of the Taco with some tweaks. I think they realize the current platform is down on power and torque compared to it's competitors, so I'm betting they try to push numbers close to 325-340. Enough of a boost for people to take notice, but nothing crazy.
They'll throw a 7 speed or something in it to appease that crowd and try to increase efficiency well into 20s for combined economy. I expect they might finally throw us a bone with upgraded HID headlights, as well as other little luxuries like ventilated seats. I also expect it will get full TSS 2.0, or maybe even 3.0 by then.
Thebeastlives
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Toyota has clearly hinted that hybrid is their future. The rav4 prime is really what the new 4 runner will look like. A bigger battery 4 cylinder motor more power and fuel economy. I'm sure unlike the rav 4 they will still retain a transfer case and 4 wd system but maybe not. The hybrid component will allow them to power each wheel independently depending upon the design. It could be the most capable 4wd without lockers. It will clearly be something that will allow them to jump ahead of their competitors in fuel economy performance and possibly offroad capability. The rav 4 prime will smoke your current 4 runner and get a ridiculous mpg doing it...lol YouTube
CO-Cygnus
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Prime is a PHEV, I seriously doubt we'd see that on BOF SUV. Prime also uses a CVT which is definitely a no-go - Subaru has big issues with their CVTs in offroad situations. I'm hopeful for the proposed Tundra/LC powertrain: 3.5L TT Conventional Hybrid.
Thebeastlives
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The power plant won't be a 3.5 hybrid. Toyota used their 4 cylinder hybrid for lexus SUV within the 4 runner size. Even the highlander is a 4 cylinder hybrid. The transmission I agree will not be a cvt not for a 4wd line like 4 runner. Toyota will aim to meet all federal and European emission and fuel requirements for 2030 plus with this new platform and a 4 cylinder hybrid is something they have been doing for along time and doing it better than anyone. I'm sure we will see a new transmission and possibly a new transfer case design they have not developed for anything yet due to the nature of the 4 runner. A 320 hp 40 mpg 700 range 4 cylinder hybrid
plus 4 runner 6th gen is probably what we will see. It will all be about efficiency.
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CO-Cygnus
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Well the comparable Lexus SUV is the GX, which still only has the V8. I don't think Toyota has dropped a 4-Cyl Hybrid in to any BOF vehicle yet. If they drop the Highlander setup in to the 4R, then RIP. 243 HP ... I'm not interested in getting passed by a Subaru Crosstreks while trying to climb grades around here.
If they give us a setup with over 300 HP and more torque... great.
Thebeastlives
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You got to think like a billion dollar Japanese automaker. They like to change the 4 runner and Tundra line once every 6 to 7 years with necessary powertrain designs. The R n D cycle for that line is massive and when they release the new model they need to get it right because it will be out for years with few modifications. They aren't releasing a 243 hp highlander in the 4 runner not when the 4 runner is capable of carrying the same technology in the 302 hp rav 4 . Of course being their leading offroad platform they will have a new transmission and 4wd system mated to this 320+ hp 4 cylinder hybrid model. A transmission and 4 wd system we haven't seen in any of their vehicles yet but probably is still with the R N D team.
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sn_85
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Toyota hasn't changed the powertrain in the Tundra since 2007. The 1GR-FE has been around since the 4th gen with a few modifcations. Whatever you want to call this gen Tundra it's really not that much different than the 2nd gen and is more like a gen 2.5. This cycle Tundra has lasted from 2007 - 2022 (likely). The 5th gen 4Runner will be from 2010 - 2023. More like Toyota changes the Tundra and 4Runner line every 12-14 years.
CO-Cygnus
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The 1GR has been around since 2002, I believe the only change for the 5th gen was adding Dual VVTi to the original Single VVTi system. So yeah, this truck has a 20 year old engine.
sn_85
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Makes it harder and harder to be a Toyota fan. 6th gen is still another 2-3 years away which is a long time in the truck world. Meanwhile Ford is releasing the new Bronco and the Wrangler is getting a Hemi. Toyota let this gen of Trucks and SUVs run for way way too long.
Rollover Issue
Toyota needs to address its ROLLOVER issue of the 4 Runner for the 6th generation. It is truly shocking that the 4Runner has a 24% chance of rolling or tipping over according to NHTSA. The engineers and corporate should be kicked and beaten up for not ever fixing this issue.
Usually Japanese care more about safety than Americans and it seems some methhead Americans might have infected the company and prevented them from fixing this issue. Japan is supposed to be synonymous with safety, unlike the USA. And continue to manufacture it ONLY in Japan.
Secondly, it needs to be just a little aerodynamic. While it isn't a sports car, nor should it be, it can afford to have some acceleration so it can help with agility when taking evasive action.
Also, they should keep the TRD badging or apply it to all vehicles to make it rugged. NEVER allow yellow color, only ghetto trash like yellow on an SUV. Keep masculine colors.
They should also reduce the configurations from 10 to like 3 at most. Standard, Offroad, TRD. Very simple.
Toyota needs to address its ROLLOVER issue of the 4 Runner for the 6th generation. It is truly shocking that the 4Runner has a 24% chance of rolling or tipping over according to NHTSA. The engineers and corporate should be kicked and beaten up for not ever fixing this issue.
Usually Japanese care more about safety than Americans and it seems some methhead Americans might have infected the company and prevented them from fixing this issue. Japan is supposed to be synonymous with safety, unlike the USA. And continue to manufacture it ONLY in Japan.
Secondly, it needs to be just a little aerodynamic. While it isn't a sports car, nor should it be, it can afford to have some acceleration so it can help with agility when taking evasive action.
Also, they should keep the TRD badging or apply it to all vehicles to make it rugged. NEVER allow yellow color, only ghetto trash like yellow on an SUV. Keep masculine colors.
They should also reduce the configurations from 10 to like 3 at most. Standard, Offroad, TRD. Very simple.
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LandCruiser
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Lay off the crack pipe and take your meds.
Guess the truth hurts? Besides, your mom smokes my pipe.
LandCruiser
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If she's on the crack again her pimp needs to slap some sense into her.
Jetboy
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Isn't there a tesla forum for you?
Isn't there a drug rehab forum for you?
