6th gen 3.5L 4runner in 2022/ 2023?

[Jetboy]

Isn't there a drug rehab forum for you?

 

[stirfry]

Seems it is too difficult for you to use any type of logic to counter real facts.

 

[Jetboy]

Seems it is too difficult for you to use any type of logic to counter real facts.

I don't think you care about real facts. Empirical evidence shows very low injury and rollover rates in 4Runners. Deaths per mile driven and injury expense (insurance) per vehicle are very low in the 4Runner. Lower than many or most crossovers. If you care about safety and you're reasonably intelligent (open question in your case), you'll look at actual real world results.

Some study that finds that a 4x4 BOF SUV has a high center of gravity... yeah. WGAF? In other news - water is wet.

 

[Jetboy]

Sounds like the new Land Cruiser will be 100% off-road, cheaper, 5 seats, and will lose all the extra dumb luxury items like the refrigerated center console. So hopefully between the 4R or LC one of them will fit the bill.

The recent comments suggest it's not really even going to be a LandCruiser - or it won't be an LC300...

"The Toyota dealers strongly want the nameplate of Land Cruiser,” Ogawa said. “But we have not decided yet. We have some alternatives on how to retain the Land Cruiser nameplate.”

Sounds like it's not going to be the LC300 to me, but something different that just uses the LandCruiser nameplate. Like a cheaper 4Runner or Sequoia version.

 

[stirfry]

I don't think you care about real facts. Empirical evidence shows very low injury and rollover rates in 4Runners. Deaths per mile driven and injury expense (insurance) per vehicle are very low in the 4Runner. Lower than many or most crossovers. If you care about safety and you're reasonably intelligent (open question in your case), you'll look at actual real world results.

Some study that finds that a 4x4 BOF SUV has a high center of gravity... yeah. WGAF? In other news - water is wet.

You are confusing deaths with actual instances. Even if nobody died due to the rollover it still causes damage to the actual vehicle and to the property it rolls on.

These are the facts:

2019 TOYOTA 4RUNNER SUV AWD | NHTSA

That is regarding the 2019 model but Toyota has made no updates for 2020, 2021, or beyond in trying to fix this issue.

Yes any car, especially with a high center of gravity can rollover but in reality, there will be situations where a driver may have to take evasive action to prevent a greater accident. If that evasive action results in a rollover, then it isn't a good vehicle. Or even making any minor contact with a curb causes it rollover isn't good either.

The NHTSA has no reason to lie considering there are tons of American cars on that list which one expects due to the American lack of safety but Toyota is supposed to be all about safety. Remember they exposed the Ford Pinto so they have nothing to gain by saying 4runners rollover.

For a vehicle almost $50,000(TRD Pro), it should NOT have any rollover issue.

 

[Jetboy]

You are confusing deaths with actual instances. Even if nobody died due to the rollover it still causes damage to the actual vehicle and to the property it rolls on.

These are the facts:

2019 TOYOTA 4RUNNER SUV AWD | NHTSA

That is regarding the 2019 model but Toyota has made no updates for 2020, 2021, or beyond in trying to fix this issue.

Yes any car, especially with a high center of gravity can rollover but in reality, there will be situations where a driver may have to take evasive action to prevent a greater accident. If that evasive action results in a rollover, then it isn't a good vehicle. Or even making any minor contact with a curb causes it rollover isn't good either.

The NHTSA has no reason to lie considering there are tons of American cars on that list which one expects due to the American lack of safety but Toyota is supposed to be all about safety. Remember they exposed the Ford Pinto so they have nothing to gain by saying 4runners rollover.

For a vehicle almost $50,000(TRD Pro), it should NOT have any rollover issue.

Not one for physics? Let me help. High clearance BOF = high COG. Higher COG = higher propensity to roll over under similar situations.

Want a low COG - buy a Telsa. They're very hard to roll over unless they crash into a parked roll-back truck. They even have a forum. I already suggested the correct forum for you.

 

[CO-Cygnus]

Like a cheaper 4Runner or Sequoia version.

Don't get my hopes up for a reincarnated FJ cruiser.

 

[stirfry]

Not one for physics? Let me help. High clearance BOF = high COG. Higher COG = higher propensity to roll over under similar situations.

Want a low COG - buy a Telsa. They're very hard to roll over unless they crash into a parked roll-back truck. They even have a forum. I already suggested the correct forum for you.

I know very well what a high center of gravity is. You obviously don't know stats are or even looked at the report or even know how research is done.

I hope you are not another "9/11 inside job", "moon landing is fake", or "masks don't protect from Covid-19"person. Your only retort is to talk about Tesla. It looks like you think if it is done by the US government, then it must be fake.

But you still cannot explain why the 4Runner earned a 24% chance of rollover versus other makes/models, especially for a Japanese vehicle. It seems you like having vehicles that rollover from only the most minute change of action.

 

[ElectroBoy]

I know very well what a high center of gravity is. You obviously don't know stats are or even looked at the report or even know how research is done.

I hope you are not another "9/11 inside job", "moon landing is fake", or "masks don't protect from Covid-19"person. Your only retort is to talk about Tesla. It looks like you think if it is done by the US government, then it must be fake.

But you still cannot explain why the 4Runner earned a 24% chance of rollover versus other makes/models, especially for a Japanese vehicle. It seems you like having vehicles that rollover from only the most minute change of action.

Since you’ve already done the research, please share the rollover ratings for the 4Runner vs similar vehicles.

 

[Jetboy]

I know very well what a high center of gravity is....

But you still cannot explain why the 4Runner earned a 24% chance of rollover versus other makes/models, especially for a Japanese vehicle.

Are you sure about that first part? Given that the second part of what you wrote is literally a function of the first part, I really doubt it.

Let's find out - what design choices lead to a higher COG? Why would a 4Runner have a higher COG than a Highlander? Can you guess? - I'll get you started with a hint: If you don't want stuff to drag on the ground as you pass over you need to do _____ .

(I'd bet that you don't know what the roll over probability means either. Do you think that 1 in 4 4Runners rolls over?)

 

[Jetboy]

Don't get my hopes up for a reincarnated FJ cruiser.

I think that's pretty much exactly what they were saying. Either a 4Runner sub-model or a new BOF model that's cheaper than an LC300 but still bigger than a 4Runner? Not really sure. I don't see any reason for Toyota to build another new BOF model rather than just use the LC300 GXL or something comparable and price it at $50k.

But who knows - Someone from Toyota NA also said a few years ago that there's a market for a Rav4 size BOF long suspension travel SUV in Toyota's stable. Just like the 4Runner is to the highlander there should be a shorter wheel base version closer to the Rav4 size. But I wouldn't hold my breath for a USA version of a Toyota Jimny - although it'd be pretty damn cool if they offered it.

 

[stirfry]

Are you sure about that first part? Given that the second part of what you wrote is literally a function of the first part, I really doubt it.

Let's find out - what design choices lead to a higher COG? Why would a 4Runner have a higher COG than a Highlander? Can you guess? - I'll get you started with a hint: If you don't want stuff to drag on the ground as you pass over you need to do _____ .

(I'd bet that you don't know what the roll over probability means either. Do you think that 1 in 4 4Runners rolls over?)

The probability is based on variables such as design and testing. Higher center gravity will result in a top-heavy vehicle. But you make it like "well the other vehicles have a high center of gravity too", but not every one of them is having them same issue after going through the same test.

And the comparison is apples to apples with vehicles of the same class:

10 Trucks and SUVs With the Highest Risk of Tipping Over

You fail to realize that a solution exists. And that is for Toyota to not ask Americans to work on their design team and leave it to Japanese only. You might actually get a far better 6th generation that doesn't roll over.

 

[stirfry]

Since you’ve already done the research, please share the rollover ratings for the 4Runner vs similar vehicles.

Check my latest reply to Jetboy

 

[Baystate4Runner]

Toyota needs to address its ROLLOVER issue of the 4 Runner for the 6th generation...

How about we start with the fact that there is no 6th generation 4Runner out yet (and there won’t be for another 2.5 years) so there can’t be a rollover issue for the 6th generation.

The current generation is the 5th generation.

 

[stirfry]

How about we start with the fact that there is no 6th generation 4Runner out yet (and there won’t be for another 2.5 years) so there can’t be a rollover issue for the 6th generation.

The current generation is the 5th generation.

I am referring to the design phase. Continous designs have had this issue, so they need to eliminate it for the 6th generation.

 

[Jetboy]

The probability is based on variables such as design and testing. Higher center gravity will result in a top-heavy vehicle. But you make it like "well the other vehicles have a high center of gravity too", but not every one of them is having them same issue after going through the same test.

And the comparison is apples to apples with vehicles of the same class:

10 Trucks and SUVs With the Highest Risk of Tipping Over

You fail to realize that a solution exists. And that is for Toyota to not ask Americans to work on their design team and leave it to Japanese only. You might actually get a far better 6th generation that doesn't roll over.

What vehicle do you see on the list that is comparable functionally to the 4Runner with a meaningfully lower roll over risk?

What is the solution? And how is it implemented in the vehicle you identify as comparable to the 4Runner functionally?

Do you not believe in empirical evidence? - why aren't people rolling 4Runners at a rate higher than other vehicles in the real world? Or do you not believe that to be accurate? If you do think that real world roll overs are more common in 4Runners - what is your basis for that belief?

 

[Sundy]

I am referring to the design phase. Continous designs have had this issue, so they need to eliminate it for the 6th generation.

So, what I understand is you'd like to make this a FWD unibody which sits about 3-4" closer to the ground, mitigating rollover potential.

I'm pretty sure Toyota has that, it's call a Highlander and CR-V. On a small chassis body on frame (small compared to full size pickups) your rollover potential will almost always be higher. It's simple physics. The only real way to reduce rollover without some crazy suspension and magic on the current 4Runner (assuming new will be similar) would be to widen it out a bunch - what good will that do for running trails?

If you don't like it there are plenty of other vehicles out there. Without diving into the details, the 4Runner has a lower rollover likehood than a Jeep Wrangler - yet you don't see that being a big issue for them :deadhorse:

 

[stirfry]

So, what I understand is you'd like to make this a FWD unibody which sits about 3-4" closer to the ground, mitigating rollover potential.

I'm pretty sure Toyota has that, it's call a Highlander and CR-V. On a small chassis body on frame (small compared to full size pickups) your rollover potential will almost always be higher. It's simple physics. The only real way to reduce rollover without some crazy suspension and magic on the current 4Runner (assuming new will be similar) would be to widen it out a bunch - what good will that do for running trails?

If you don't like it there are plenty of other vehicles out there. Without diving into the details, the 4Runner has a lower rollover likehood than a Jeep Wrangler - yet you don't see that being a big issue for them :deadhorse:

I don't want it to be FWD at all. CR-V is Honda not Toyota as they are two different companies. Widening just a little wouldn't affect trail performance unless it is widened like the Navigator.

I never said I like the Wrangler. I already mentioned American vehicles are mostly junk and not built around which is what Japan is all about.

 

[stirfry]

What vehicle do you see on the list that is comparable functionally to the 4Runner with a meaningfully lower roll over risk?

What is the solution? And how is it implemented in the vehicle you identify as comparable to the 4Runner functionally?

Do you not believe in empirical evidence? - why aren't people rolling 4Runners at a rate higher than other vehicles in the real world? Or do you not believe that to be accurate? If you do think that real world roll overs are more common in 4Runners - what is your basis for that belief?

If we went only by empirical evidence, then the Ford Pinto would still around today. But it was banned as it deserved to be.

You still didn't answer why others didn't make the list.

 

[Deuxdiesel]

Toyota needs to address its ROLLOVER issue of the 4 Runner for the 6th generation. It is truly shocking that the 4Runner has a 24% chance of rolling or tipping over according to NHTSA. The engineers and corporate should be kicked and beaten up for not ever fixing this issue.

Usually Japanese care more about safety than Americans and it seems some methhead Americans might have infected the company and prevented them from fixing this issue. Japan is supposed to be synonymous with safety, unlike the USA. And continue to manufacture it ONLY in Japan.

Secondly, it needs to be just a little aerodynamic. While it isn't a sports car, nor should it be, it can afford to have some acceleration so it can help with agility when taking evasive action.

Also, they should keep the TRD badging or apply it to all vehicles to make it rugged. NEVER allow yellow color, only ghetto trash like yellow on an SUV. Keep masculine colors.

They should also reduce the configurations from 10 to like 3 at most. Standard, Offroad, TRD. Very simple.

The Highlander and RAV4 meet your needs better than the 4R in those regards. Toyota could benefit from more colors like yellow, orange, bright blues similar to the Wrangler.