6th gen 3.5L 4runner in 2022/ 2023?

[stirfry]

The Highlander and RAV4 meet your needs better than the 4R in those regards. Toyota could benefit from more colors like yellow, orange, bright blues similar to the Wrangler.

You clearly have some down syndrome based on your color choices. Looks like the Chevy Suburban would meet your need dummy.

 

[Gecko]

Based on Toyota's 2018 TNGA powertrain chart and logical progression in the lineup, the likely engine lineup for the 6th gen 4R is a base turbocharged 4 cylinder with ~300hp/320lb-ft of torque and a POSSIBLE option of the V35A-FTS 416hp/442lb-ft TT V6. Not sure how the hybrid will shake out.

The idea of a base turbo 4 cylinder seems to be materializing:

Toyota Alabama Steps Closer to Increased Engine Production - Toyota USA Newsroom

"Milestones include the start of production for the all-new, redesigned 4-cylinder engine, and the closing in of the plant’s new 150,000 square foot V6 engine assembly line. "

 

[CO-Cygnus]

Based on Toyota's 2018 TNGA powertrain chart and logical progression in the lineup, the likely engine lineup for the 6th gen 4R is a base turbocharged 4 cylinder with ~300hp/320lb-ft of torque

Works for me, especially if weight does not increase. That's a big torque bump and the Turbo will help with Altitude power loss.

 

[bigbwb]

So with that engine plant announcement, could that mean 4R production could move stateside? Or just that a new 4cyl is coming for vehicles built here and in japan?

 

[stirfry]

So with that engine plant announcement, could that mean 4R production could move stateside? Or just that a new 4cyl is coming for vehicles built here and in japan?

Hopefully it stays in Japan cause if they bring it to the USA then the quality might fall down.

 

[stirfry]

Based on Toyota's 2018 TNGA powertrain chart and logical progression in the lineup, the likely engine lineup for the 6th gen 4R is a base turbocharged 4 cylinder with ~300hp/320lb-ft of torque and a POSSIBLE option of the V35A-FTS 416hp/442lb-ft TT V6. Not sure how the hybrid will shake out.

The idea of a base turbo 4 cylinder seems to be materializing:

Toyota Alabama Steps Closer to Increased Engine Production - Toyota USA Newsroom

"Milestones include the start of production for the all-new, redesigned 4-cylinder engine, and the closing in of the plant’s new 150,000 square foot V6 engine assembly line. "

If they are closing the V6 Engine assembly, then why would or even how could they build V35A-FTS 416hp/442lb-ft TT V6?
Unless they will move that production elsewhere.

 

[4roffroad]

If they are closing the V6 Engine assembly, then why would or even how could they build V35A-FTS 416hp/442lb-ft TT V6?

Unless they will move that production elsewhere.

Look at Toyota and Lexus, how many cars/trucks have over 400hp, answer, not many and those are big $. The tundra and land cruiser only have 381hp. So 416hp is a pipe dream. Everyone should be happy if hp and torque are over 300 respectively.

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[Gecko]

A new turbocharged 4 cylinder is replacing the GR V6 for many of Toyota's core midsize offerings. The V35A would be sourced from Japan if it was even to be an option, which I think it might. That part is up in the air though.

 

[CO-Cygnus]

A new turbocharged 4 cylinder is replacing the GR V6 for many of Toyota's core midsize offerings. The V35A would be sourced from Japan if it was even to be an option, which I think it might. That part is up in the air though.

Hopefully the 2.7 Bronco and Hemi Wrangler will spur them to offer a higher power option.

 

[itr1275]

If we went only by empirical evidence, then the Ford Pinto would still around today. But it was banned as it deserved to be.

You still didn't answer why others didn't make the list.

Sorry for the fact check, but it's important we do not exaggerate or alter history and facts.

For the record, the Pinto was not "banned". This was the media skewing the truth. The Pinto platform continued for a decade in several forms. It was a dated design and died naturally in 1980. However, it has become the defacto joke about a car exploding. Which is just humor but not reality.

The 1970-71 Pinto had a remote chance of rupturing a fuel tank. Fuel tanks do not magically explode, the usually just leak and a heat source (extremely hot brakes or exhaust) might create a fire.

GM had a much bigger problem that changed the design and testing of vehicles. This effect 10 million vehicle over decades.
History of the GM Side Saddle Gas Tank Defect - The Center for Auto Safety

This is NBC take on it. Note they lied.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtpMzGN9uWc&feature=youtu.be

As for rollovers. The 4runner is not a sports car and you shouldn't expect it to be. As with the pinto it's a media thing, SUVs don't magically roll over. I don't personally know anyone that has rolled a 4Runner on the street. However, my brother did roll his Pinto. . . sorry it didn't explode.

 

[Kai-runner]

I feel like a turbo would go against the 4R’s calling card of dependability and low maintenance. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love a 300+ hp / torque 6th gen but not if it’s going to require me to baby and coddle the engine.

 

[dmk08]

I feel like a turbo would go against the 4R’s calling card of dependability and low maintenance. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love a 300+ hp / torque 6th gen but not if it’s going to require me to baby and coddle the engine.

Turbo engines can be quite reliable these days and I'm sure Toyota could make a great one.

Biggest problem is as soon as you hang turbos on something people start to increase the boost etc and run them out of their designed boost targets.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

Sorry for the fact check, but it's important we do not exaggerate or alter history and facts.

For the record, the Pinto was not "banned". This was the media skewing the truth. The Pinto platform continued for a decade in several forms. It was a dated design and died naturally in 1980. However, it has become the defacto joke about a car exploding. Which is just humor but not reality.

The 1970-71 Pinto had a remote chance of rupturing a fuel tank. Fuel tanks do not magically explode, the usually just leak and a heat source (extremely hot brakes or exhaust) might create a fire.

GM had a much bigger problem that changed the design and testing of vehicles. This effect 10 million vehicle over decades.
History of the GM Side Saddle Gas Tank Defect - The Center for Auto Safety

This is NBC take on it. Note they lied.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtpMzGN9uWc&feature=youtu.be

As for rollovers. The 4runner is not a sports car and you shouldn't expect it to be. As with the pinto it's a media thing, SUVs don't magically roll over. I don't personally know anyone that has rolled a 4Runner on the street. However, my brother did roll his Pinto. . . sorry it didn't explode.

When I was in high school we nicknamed the Pinto "the Stove" for obvious reasons.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

For the record, the Pinto was not "banned". This was the media skewing the truth. The Pinto platform continued for a decade in several forms. It was a dated design and died naturally in 1980. However, it has become the defacto joke about a car exploding. Which is just humor but not reality.

The 1970-71 Pinto had a remote chance of rupturing a fuel tank. Fuel tanks do not magically explode, the usually just leak and a heat source (extremely hot brakes or exhaust) might create a fire.

This is not true. In a not very severe "rear ender" the fuel tank would often rupture and or get punctured and SPRAY the fuel into the passenger compartment and cook the people inside.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

You are confusing deaths with actual instances. Even if nobody died due to the rollover it still causes damage to the actual vehicle and to the property it rolls on.

These are the facts:

2019 TOYOTA 4RUNNER SUV AWD | NHTSA

That is regarding the 2019 model but Toyota has made no updates for 2020, 2021, or beyond in trying to fix this issue.

Yes any car, especially with a high center of gravity can rollover but in reality, there will be situations where a driver may have to take evasive action to prevent a greater accident. If that evasive action results in a rollover, then it isn't a good vehicle. Or even making any minor contact with a curb causes it rollover isn't good either.

The NHTSA has no reason to lie considering there are tons of American cars on that list which one expects due to the American lack of safety but Toyota is supposed to be all about safety. Remember they exposed the Ford Pinto so they have nothing to gain by saying 4runners rollover.

For a vehicle almost $50,000(TRD Pro), it should NOT have any rollover issue.

Not one for physics? Let me help. High clearance BOF = high COG. Higher COG = higher propensity to roll over under similar situations.

Want a low COG - buy a Telsa. They're very hard to roll over unless they crash into a parked roll-back truck. They even have a forum. I already suggested the correct forum for you.

opcorn:

 

[BrianRD]

From what I've been reading, a positive displacement supercharger does much better things for low end torque than a turbo. My vote is for an engine between 2.5-3.0 liters w/ a supercharger.

 

[LandCruiser]

What 5th generation owners say: I want a bigger NA engine with more hp and low end torque.

What Toyota hears: small displacement turbo that makes most of its power above 6000rpm and has start/stop feature.

What 5th generation owners say: I want a highway gear on the bomb-proof transmission.

What Toyota hears: 10 speed gear hunting transmission that shatters when off-roading.

What 5th generation owners say: I want a mod-friendly frame that lets me install bigger tires and long travel suspension.

What Toyota hears: can we design the body, frame, and suspension in any way that makes mods even harder to do than it already is? We want it to be impossible to mount any tire without rubbing and any suspension lift over 1" that won't **** up the UCAs.

What 5th generation owners say: some safety aides like auto stop, lane departure, and adaptive cruise are nice to have.

What Toyota hears: make it so you can't turn these systems off. Ever. So a rock on a trail will activate the panic stop and leave you stranded since the collision avoidance won't let you hump a boulder.

What 5th generation owners say: more factory lockers.

What Toyota hears: drivetrain more open than Will Smith's marriage.

 

[Bikeric]

Is it too much to ask for a shorter wheelbase 2-door 4Runner with the 6th Gen? Maybe even with a removable top?????? I was not a fan of the FJ due to the annoying blind spots and plastic interior.

 

[Jetboy]

From what I've been reading, a positive displacement supercharger does much better things for low end torque than a turbo. My vote is for an engine between 2.5-3.0 liters w/ a supercharger.

It depends on the engine design and the turbo system. Many turbo engines have great low rpm power. It's just a matter of proper turbo design and size. OEMs are pretty good at that when they can make their own turbos and design the engine/turbo units as a complete package.

The v35A (lexus 3.5 twin turbo) makes 450 ft lb at 1,600 rpms. Our current 4.0 v6 with a supercharger doesn't make 450 ft lbs - ever at any rpm. The turbo 6 actually has a longer stroke (more leverage on the crank shaft = more torque all else equal) than the 4.0L v6 we have and a really narrow bore.

3.5 turbo v6 is 85mm bore 100mm stroke.
The 1GR 4.0 is 94mm bore 95mm stroke.
And the 3.5 N/A engine in the Taco is the same 94mm bore, 83mm stroke.

For comparison the Ford EB 3.5 is a 93mm bore 87mm stroke.

Toyota's v6 twin turbo makes a lot of low rpm power by design. It's a long stroke, narrow bore, high compression engine with twin turbos that are relatively small and spool very fast. So it's very different from a typical sports car turbo design. It should feel closer to a diesel engine than what most people think of as a turbo car engine that usually has a short stroke, wide bore, and low compression to maximize peak power. The Ford EB is very similar to what you'd get with a turbo on something like the Tacoma 3.5 V6 - high revving engine that makes a lot of higher rpm power, but isn't great off idle. The Toyota twin turbo 6 really is a very different engine, that will perform a lot more like what you'd probably think of as a "truck" engine.

And since 99% of the miles are going to be highway cruising - For me - I'd much rather have an engine that great for highway cruising and has a super wide ratio transmission that allows for the performance off road when I need it.

 

[CO-Cygnus]

What 5th generation owners say: some safety aides like auto stop, lane departure, and adaptive cruise are nice to have.

What Toyota hears: make it so you can't turn these systems off. Ever. So a rock on a trail will activate the panic stop and leave you stranded since the collision avoidance won't let you hump a boulder.

I bet they go the Subaru route. "Oh, you want to turn off a safety system? Fine. You'll have to do it every time you turn the car on and you'll have every caution light on the dash lit up the whole time to tell you how unsafe you are"