6th Gen 4Runner Predictions!

My realistic knowledge based prediction:

-3.5L v6 as in Tacoma but with greater efficiency and power PLUS electrification. This will allow all the low end torque the consumer could want. Electrification doesn't mean fragile. Toyota has mastered this. Expect a an electrified 4runner to race the Baja 1000 and win.

-Without a doubt, a Body On Frame, and expect it to be as as heavy duty as the Hilux but a bit wider for North American tastes. With Toyota's TNGA this is very possible and likely. See the article I posted in my previous post for more on this.

-It will emphasize overlanding more than hardcore offroading (just as it does now). This is what the vast majority of consumers want. Even Jeep is making this transition slowly and carefully despite their image as a hardcore offroader.

-Two tone roof and body color just like is optional on 2019 Rav 4 and 2018 camry. There is a line of people waiting to get this option so expect it on the 4runner.

-Possible AWD only. AWD is better in most driving situations including snow but selectable 4wd is better in others such as offroading. But what if you can combine the advantages of selectable 4wd with all wheel drive? Then you have a system better than both. Something like this is seen in the 2019 Rav4. The rav4 is a light duty "adventure" vehicle (aka dirt road offroading which is enough for 95% of consumers). Expect something like this but more aggressive in the 4runner.

-External reservoir, internal bypass shocks Just like the 2019 4runner TRD Pro with 11 zones.

- OLED rear view mirror like 2019 Rav4.

-Without a doubt the latest Toyota Safety Sense which will, at the very least, be able to bring your vehicle to a complete stop without any driver input.

-Overall, faster acceleration, shorter stopping distances, quicker turns, more fuel economy, better off road. Sounds too good to be true but as the facts show its very likely and at a competitive price to boot. How, you might ask? Toyota has cut cost massively within the last couple of years (up to 40%) while improving quality. They can afford to introduce more UHSS (ultra high strength steel , which is not the same as high strength steel) than ever before. This makes the vehicle lighter, stiffer, safer and a little more flexible from the design standpoint (aerodynamics and in other aspects). Along with innovative technologies and redesigns such as, lighter and more compact transmissions (therefore lower mounting height for lower center of gravity but more clearance due to compactness) but with much stronger internals (like new camry and rav4), higher efficiency gas engine plus electrification, independent wheel control and other features, a lot more is possible than what we are used to seeing. These technologies can be seen in new Toyota cars on the road today. They are not concepts.

-5.9GHz Dedicated Short-Range Communications (DSRC) for vehicle to vehicle communication extremely likely to talk to other cars and prevent accidents as much as possible. Cadillac uses it now in one of their newer models and Toyota uses it in Japan currently.

-And absolutely without a doubt... no diesel. Simply not worth it in an unstable political environment where the next president can introduce/push for new EPA standards.

Toyota laments that they didn't sell more 4runners in the last few years. There are a few reasons for this. First and foremost and very surprisingly, they didn't market it aggressively. Second, they tried to please too many different types of consumers, the mall crawling soccer mom and the adventurer. There is a fine medium that appeals to both but within reason. Expect to blown away my friends.
 
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Toyota laments that they didn't sell more 4runners in the last few years. There are a few reasons for this. First and foremost and very surprisingly, they didn't market it aggressively. Second, they tried to please too many different types of consumers, the mall crawling soccer mom and the adventurer. There is a fine medium that appeals to both but within reason. Expect to blown away my friends.

5th Gen 4Runner sales are the strongest they have ever been.
 
Pretty much.


As for the 6th gen predictions, I've not a clue. I know I love my 5th gen, and my gut tells me that I'll still be content when the 6th gen drops.

And I’ll be happy to re-home my 2018 4Runner when the 2028 4runner has had a chance to work out all those 6th gen initial production years growing pains.
Actually, I think I read once, and it made sense to me, that the perfect time to buy is about midway through the life cycle. After some of the kinks had been worked out but before they start looking at ways to cost cut during production. A little less insulation here...less metal here, more plastic here...etcetera etcetera.

As long as they don’t take the 4runner in to pathfinder territory I’ll be happy. I can’t afford a land cruiser yet...
 
5th Gen 4Runner sales are the strongest they have ever been.

Yes you’re right. And that is with very little effort from Toyota. Essentially word of mouth, online reviews, etc. have sold a record number of 5th gen 4runners. Toyota says they could have sold twice as many. Im sorry for not elaborating further on this.
 
Yes you’re right. And that is with very little effort from Toyota. Essentially word of mouth, online reviews, etc. have sold a record number of 5th gen 4runners. Toyota says they could have sold twice as many. Im sorry for not elaborating further on this.

Toyota also stopped the FJ cruiser and refreshed the 4R for 2014.. so those buyers also switched over and sales spiked since then
 
And I’ll be happy to re-home my 2018 4Runner when the 2028 4runner has had a chance to work out all those 6th gen initial production years growing pains.
Actually, I think I read once, and it made sense to me, that the perfect time to buy is about midway through the life cycle. After some of the kinks had been worked out but before they start looking at ways to cost cut during production. A little less insulation here...less metal here, more plastic here...etcetera etcetera.

As long as they don’t take the 4runner in to pathfinder territory I’ll be happy. I can’t afford a land cruiser yet...

Having owned a 2010 and 2016 5th gen, I feel like they did the opposite as far as the cost cutting measures you mention. The 2010 had this super tinny sound when I pulled the door handle. 2016 doesn’t. The interior materials are a substantial improvement with the refresh. Taillights are improved. I thought the original headlights were excellent despite being reflector; I don’t love the projectors on my 2016.
 
The more they ''Modernize'' it, the less I will like it. Like the FJ, it needs a certain throwback feel to remain an Off-Road vehicle and too much Nanny-State will kill it for Me. Give it more power and MPG with a 6 or 8 speed, lighten it and a re-styling with better approach angles and I'm in for a 3rd 4Runner. Make it a Rav-4 ''Deluxe'' and goodbye sales to the Faithful IMO.:typing:
 
It's a strong position but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's false. My JK went through a transmission, 2x clutches, starter, idler pulley, 3x stereos, 3 or 4x batteries, multiple tie rod ends, and had a leaking steering box and cracked radiator when I sold it at 60k miles. It had an electronic gremlin I called the "lightening bolt of death" that would kill the motor while driving, a red lightening bolt would flash on the dash. It happened multiple times on the freeway and each time the dealer checked it and said it was fixed. These are documented issues and my story is not uncommon.

I still love jeep's and am super excited for the new JL, but I'd never kid myself that they are reliable.

Edit: also had the gas tank replaced under recall/warranty after the sending line popped out at an intersection and dumped half a tank onto the road.

Yikes! Nightmare of a vehicle
 

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I posted this back in April in one of the other 6th Gen threads;

I apologize in advance for resurrecting this topic since it brings out a lot of emotional responses, but I am in a position to emphatically say that there will be a 6th Gen 4Runner. I was recently invited to participate in a couple of styling exercises with Toyota. I am under NDA so I will tiptoe around some details.

Timing: Direct quote, "we are three years out", so I anticipate a release in late 2020 as a 2021 model. This lines up with some of the speculation I've read on this forum based on known release dates of other models.

Mechanicals: All indications are that it will be based on the same 150 platform as the 5th Gen. Another direct quote, "it will be the exact same size as the current generation", which reinforces the speculation that it will be based on the 150 platform. Plus all the exterior styling artist renderings showed running gear that looked exactly like the 5th Gen. No discussion of engine.

Exterior Styling: Those who like the rugged appearance of the 5th Gen will not be disappointed. There were four different versions shown that ranged from mild to wild on my scale and all of them were what I would call "bold". Common themes of all of them were large front grill, very modern looking lighting (front and rear), much more aggressive flares (some versions more than others), very good front and rear approach and departure angles, barn door type rear hatch and rear hatch mounted spare tire. My feedback and that of others that I was privy to was 1) do not lose the retractable rear window, 2) keep the lift gate if you can, but keep the retractable rear window at all cost, and 3) if you must move the spare tire to the rear, use the space opened up underneath for additional fuel capacity. All of the styling studies reminded me of an updated 4 door FJ Cruiser.

Interior Styling: Much more car like, but also much more refined than the current interior. It appeared that many of the hard switches and buttons will become soft switches on the large center display screen. My feedback, and again that of those I was privy to, was there was a disconnect between the rugged exterior styling and the (too) refined interior styling. Recommended using large buttons and dials rather than soft buttons on a glass screen (have you ever tried to press a button on a screen when bouncing down a trail or dirt road?).

Again, I am under NDA, which I don't feel I have violated with what I have shared, but this is the extent of the information I am comfortable sharing at this time. What we see in three years may or may not be what I saw, but I'm confident it will be very close. I am also very confident there will be a 6th Gen 4Runner and it will be body on frame.



Since then I've learned a few more facts about the 6th Gen as well as some interesting info on other, companion models that most likely will be produced.

As for the 6th Gen it is confirmed October 2020 release as 2021 model, following the release of the 2020 Prado. It will be sitting on a new platform, but don't expect too many changes. The exact quote was "consider the differences between the 120 and 150 platforms; it will be along those lines". No new info on power plant or transmission. Also, no new info on styling which makes me feel that what I have already seen will make it to production, either as one of the versions I saw or a combination of two or more versions. I am not disappointed by any of them other than the barn door rear hatch and non-retractable rear window.

Now, here's the really interesting part - there are two additional models that are very likely to make production: a two door model based on the two door Prado platform that will be a "throwback to the FJ40". And there will is a four door model that is loosely based on the FJ55 and is being called internally the FJ5.

I have no idea if one or both of these will see the light of day, but Toyota is going after Jeep. We might even see a solid front axle in the line-up. I think we could see all three variations, one a follow-on of the 5th Gen, the two door as a more off-road oriented model and the four door as a more overlanding variation.

None of this info seems to be a big secret within the walls of Toyota HQ, but very little seems to get out. I am not a Toyota employee, I just know several who are in the right places.
 
I think Rick is right on. The most exciting thing Toyota could to to make their off-road crowd ecstatic would be to bring back the FJ40. I also believe it would be the death blow to Jeep. Two years ago I heard rumors of a “new shorter wheelbase 4X4 that will be a LOT closer to a FJ40 than the cutesy FJ Cruiser ever was”. Include a solid front axle and it is the beginning of the end for Jeep.
 
I think Rick is right on. The most exciting thing Toyota could to to make their off-road crowd ecstatic would be to bring back the FJ40. I also believe it would be the death blow to Jeep. Two years ago I heard rumors of a “new shorter wheelbase 4X4 that will be a LOT closer to a FJ40 than the cutesy FJ Cruiser ever was”. Include a solid front axle and it is the beginning of the end for Jeep.

I seriously doubt that. As big of a following that Toyota has Jeep has an even bigger following, especially here in the US. People are very loyal and fanatical to Jeeps. Just look at Wrangler sales. The retro FJ styling will appeal to Toyota fans and those who love a heritage look. The thing with Jeeps is that it appeals to diehards, softcore off-roaders, soccer moms, and teenage girls. They have a much wider range fan base.
 
I seriously doubt that. As big of a following that Toyota has Jeep has an even bigger following, especially here in the US. People are very loyal and fanatical to Jeeps. Just look at Wrangler sales. The retro FJ styling will appeal to Toyota fans and those who love a heritage look. The thing with Jeeps is that it appeals to diehards, softcore off-roaders, soccer moms, and teenage girls. They have a much wider range fan base.

OK maybe not the death blow to Jeep, heck we still need some Jeeps out there to extract, but it certainly will take market share from them. For me in the remote areas I go into. Reliability is number one, and that is why a Jeep would never be a vehicle of choice.
 
I posted this back in April in one of the other 6th Gen threads;

I apologize in advance for resurrecting this topic since it brings out a lot of emotional responses, but I am in a position to emphatically say that there will be a 6th Gen 4Runner.

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I don't think I can accept your apology or forgive myself for reading the post. It's not you. It's me.....
 
I'm left asking myself why would I give up my 2014 Trail? It's paid off and has been extremely reliable. Having a tailgate mounted spare would be nice. Having better approach/break-over/departure angles sure (nothing a slight lift and slightly upsized tires won't resolve for my needs). Getting rid of Entune and getting something that is compatible with wireless CarPlay.

Toyota has their work cut out to get me out of my current 4Runner... especially considering the price point. Paid 36k (before taxes), and almost $41k for the same MSRP today!

I'm sure the latest will come with the auto braking, blind spot monitoring, blah blah blah stuff. Might be nice, but isn't why I bought a 4Runner and won't get me to upgrade.

Maybe a hybrid version with enough battery juice for ~50 miles and gas for longer trips.

I may be on the 4Runner new purchase sidelines until 2030... which by then gasoline might be banned.
 

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