mattleegee
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just give us a factory TRD supercharger to add to our 5gens
6th Generation and engine options
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4RnR Grl
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While this seems like a fun idea.... in a more realistic frame of mind.... Toyota has already made a decision on their motor for the 6th gen. With the amount of testing and engineering that goes into a new model.... at this point they are just waiting to release. There is no way they are still figuring out a motor this late in the game. Moreover, they are likely already beginning to think about the 7th generation.
Providing these results to Toyota is a wast of time IMO.
Sorry to burst your bubble but there are already tons of threads about speculating about the 6th gen.
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/182866-6th-gen-2017-4r-will-exist.html
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/204727-seems-like-6th-gen-4runner.html
Oh... and your poll might get closed by the mod, because there are already too many. Also... you might have posted this in General Discussion since it isn't 5th gen related:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/227615-6th-gen-release-date.html
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Simpleman74
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not this shit again
live_discover
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None of the above, turbo diesel or nothing.
4RnR Grl
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not this shit again
I love how the thread got moved without a word. I should get extra points for calling that one.
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1engineer
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This is a poll that you should have done back in 2010, when the design for the 6th gen 4Runner was started. As it is now, whatever data you send to Toyota would be considered for the SEVENTH generation 4Runner! Really!
It takes a LONG time to design a vehicle. Even in my world of off highway mobile equipment (trenchers, wheel loaders, cranes, etc) it takes about five years from start to finish for a brand new model. In Toyota's case it is much more complex. You have the procurement and design of the sheet metal dies, working with vendors on plastics, all the architecture under the hood, safety components, etc. That takes a lot of time. Doing this engine selection now, again, would be used for the seventh gen because, if there is going to be a 6th gen, that design was completed several years ago. Now, there will be small changes that happen, but something as large as the engine? Nope, not gonna happen.
I am just finishing up a project for a large global OEM for a new medium wheel loader. We started on it six years ago. We put the prototypes out last year...
Lastly, the engine selection for the new Tacoma and next the Prado and 4Runner, was decided by the customer, not Toyota! Toyota and other OEM's are only going to build units that people want. They have marketing interview focus groups in targeted demographics to determine what the potential customer wants, and that includes the engine. So if the 6th gen 4Runner has a 3.5 direct injection engine, it's what the vast majority of the customers want, not what a small group of enthusiasts want. Take a look at the Tacoma sales. While you read all the BS over in the Tacoma forums, the truth is Tacoma had record sales in 2016 and they are on pace to have another record in 2017. Toyota is giving their customers what they want to buy. Maybe it's not what the enthusiast wants, but for the vast majority of the customers who buy the vehicle, they got it right. Sorry.
1engineer
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You know me too well lol. 6th gen is not 5th gen and while I was writing my dissertation to try to explain the real world to the OP, you posted the same with a lot fewer words...
philsey
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[MENTION=112177]4RnR Grl[/MENTION] You sure sound like 1E.
"Oh... and your poll might get closed by the mod" ..... well we can hope.
Inv4drZm
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I was about to say the same things you guys said: "Its too late, this would be for the 7th gen anyway" But this isn't a prediction thread, its just a poll to send to Toyota regarding the enthusiast's sentiment of the 4Runner engine. Will they care what we think? Probably not.
My pick would be a supercharged 4.7L, oh wait, I'm halfway there already.
My pick would be a supercharged 4.7L, oh wait, I'm halfway there already.
mnofpeace
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The 4.6 would be fine with me. I am looking for a GX460-Base for the wife now because of that engine, and the lack of air suspension.
Ive had other small block V8s in my SUVs, LR Disco's...yeah, i know they leaked all over the place...but their torque was just about perfect, and that vehicle is as heavy as a fat man eating donuts with both hands.
Ive had other small block V8s in my SUVs, LR Disco's...yeah, i know they leaked all over the place...but their torque was just about perfect, and that vehicle is as heavy as a fat man eating donuts with both hands.
wadle5
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415/442?! [emoji43][emoji1373]
Yes. Yes please.
Toyota definitely needs to put an engine in the 4Runner/Tacoma that competes with the Explorer/F-150's impressive ExoBoost 2.7 and 3.5 engines.
Not sure about a 10 speed auto in a 4Runner, but I'm not 100% old school; why not.I think everyone will be.
"impressive ecoboost" . . .look at the life of those motors and the copious amounts of problems they have. There is nothing impressive about those engines.
My thoughts exactly. . .I mean come on go full Prado/FortRunner/European. I know VW and Dieselgate pretty much ruined everything we had going here, but hopefully as we see more diesels go into light trucks we could possibly see the shift over to SUVs.
How about H-fuel cell...maybe Toyota can incorporate some tech from this into the next 4runner...
Toyota's Experimental Fuel Cell Big Rig Does 0-60 Quicker Than a BMW 2002
Toyota's Experimental Fuel Cell Big Rig Does 0-60 Quicker Than a BMW 2002
Gecko
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Following up on this, OP, your poll or idea really makes no sense since every one of the engines you included is a decade old and wouldn't be put into a next generation Toyota vehicle. The 2GR-FKS in the Tacoma is a revision of the 2GR-FE that was introduced in 2005 Avalon.
Toyota has already announced that they have a new lineup of "Dynamic Force" engines coming this year, starting with the Camry. We know this includes a 2.5L I4 (specs TBD) and a 3.5L twin turbo V6 (415hp/442 lb-ft of torque), but there will be many other variants that are currently TBA.
I assume the 4Runner will get some naturally aspirated V6, maybe a turbocharged one. Could be the 2GR-FKS, could be something different.
techno
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I'd like an engine that's similar to those that deactivate two cylinders in cruising mode (Jeep GC I think), but I want it to work a little differently. I want standard V6 operation and performance for regular normal driving, but when I stomp on it, I want 2 extra cylinders to activate and give me V8 performance and most importantly, V8 sound! Yes, I know forced induction can sort of do this performance wise, but I want the V8 sound, not a V6 turbo or sc sound.
Ron4RNevada
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For those of us who actually take this truck off-road (not desert racing) the existing 4.0 V6 is perfect. And with the existing tire size, transmission ratios, transfer case ratios and differential ratios I think they have found the sweet spot already.
I get the idea behind what you are saying but you misread the intention. The point is that we would like to show that a more powerful engine as an "optional engine" would please a large percentage of the customers. Current or next generation of engines do not really matter here. So far 83% of people who answered that poll would select a more powerful engine if they could. That does say a lot.
From my personal experience, I had many friends who went test driving the 4Runner to come back saying that the engine was lacking power. Do not get me wrong, the 4.0 is reliable and it please many people ... but an optional more powerful engine would not be ignored by the market.
This is what I am trying to show here. Even though we only have roughly 80 votes at this point, the number speak for themselves. The current users of the 5th Gen 4Runner would select a more powerful if they could.
Never the less, I agree with you that more recent engines will appear on various Toyota models. But optional engines should be available for trucks to please a larger crowd.
1engineer
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It does not matter if you get 80 or 800 people that would choose a V8. It's not gonna happen. Neither is diesel. You present Toyota with a poll of 800 people. They will say "That's cute. We have demographics showing that, not only will your 800 people buy our 3.5 engine but we have around 70,000 that will buy it too. That's what is going to happen.
Truly, would you sell more 4Runners tomorrow if it were offered in a V8 also? Sure. But the numbers have to be weighed against:
1. What would it cost Toyota to offer that additional engine ($$$$$$)
2. What would be the benefit in sales if offering that particular engine
3. How would it affect the overall CAFE numbers
Pretty sure they already crunched the numbers and came up with the 3.5. Do you really think they don't know what the benefits/costs of bring back a V8 in the 4Runner?
Lastly, we did a poll awhile back on this same topic. The V6 (in current form) won over a V8 by a wide margin.
Most people who buy the 4Runner still care about efficiency. The V8 is 10-20% less efficient. That's a lot. I would wager that more sales were LOST to competitors because the current engine is not as efficient as some of the competition, than sales were lost because it didn't have a more powerful engine.
Jetboy
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I think a possibility is a 2.5L 4cyl turbo. Call it a 2AR-FTS. Bump up the output from the 8AR-FTS to 285hp and 300 tq. If the tq curve is anything like the 8AR peaking at 1600rpms, it would be the perfect match for a 4runner IMO and require very little development. However I think it will be a 4.0L version of the FSE v6. It already exists in other markets. The 3.5L is too low on midrange torque for the extra weight. So I'm guessing it'll be a 4 liter FSE v6.
So following this, are you saying that Ford, Dodge, Chevy, Jeep and Nissan are wrong providing different engine options for the same model? All of them are selling tons of trucks as far as we know.
Optional engines are options. You can stick to a small engine if you want to be fuel efficient, but you would have the option to go bigger if your needs are different (like hauling). Toyota may have choose not do it, but it does not mean that they are right to do so.
People here already shown that there is an interest for this.
