America this week, what the hell?
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Divided politics, divided country, divided classes, divided races, etc........seems like the inevitable outcome when there is perceived injustice. It does not take much to instigate violence when people are not united or feel divided. Sad day for sure, no simple solutions here.
wadle5
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First part again is still speculation until we get more information on both cases. Justifiable or not it is truly sad. In regards to the snipers in Dallas, that was pre-meditated and the expected outcome and shows how confused our society is.
BrianSD_42
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The only answer is to not let hate into our hearts.
Americas racial problems will not be going away anytime soon.
This week in particular has been extremely divisive. This blaming police nationally for what a single cop does on the other side of the country is beyond stupid. The Dallas PD was a reform model police department and had nothing to do with Minnesota.
America will soldier on, race relations will recover. This is a dark moment but we have endured far worse.
Protesting, counter-protesting ... none of this is helping in any way.
Americas racial problems will not be going away anytime soon.
This week in particular has been extremely divisive. This blaming police nationally for what a single cop does on the other side of the country is beyond stupid. The Dallas PD was a reform model police department and had nothing to do with Minnesota.
America will soldier on, race relations will recover. This is a dark moment but we have endured far worse.
Protesting, counter-protesting ... none of this is helping in any way.
It's extremely disappointing what happened in LA and MN, but fully agree with you... Dallas has absolutely nothing to do with what happened in those states.
Even if snipers acted out in LA/MN, it is the completely incorrect way to handle a situation. Whatever extremist behind the sniper is reading "eye for an eye" or whatever they are believing, they forgot to read the part about harming the innocent.
Yukon4Runner
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Police officers assassinated and it is "completely incorrect"? This is your conclusion?
Wow, easy now, that's pretty harsh condemnation.
Your original post clearly shows that that you, the democratic Minnesota governor and Obama have judged the officers involved in the shootings this past week as racist before the shootings are investigated.
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BrianSD_42
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Is it really necessary to dump on someone who agrees with you.
About the Minnesota shooting, I only watched the video last night and the video doesn't capture the moment of the shooting, just the minutes afterward. So unless there is another video I'm not aware of then you're right that we really don't know what happened, if he was trying to pull out a gun or what.
However many people are sympathetic to the possibility that is was a bad shooting given that the guy was not a career criminal, was traveling with a female and a four year old and worked at the elementary school in the kitchen handing out food to Kids. Having a CCW permit does not indicate criminality.
About the Minnesota shooting, I only watched the video last night and the video doesn't capture the moment of the shooting, just the minutes afterward. So unless there is another video I'm not aware of then you're right that we really don't know what happened, if he was trying to pull out a gun or what.
However many people are sympathetic to the possibility that is was a bad shooting given that the guy was not a career criminal, was traveling with a female and a four year old and worked at the elementary school in the kitchen handing out food to Kids. Having a CCW permit does not indicate criminality.
All I said is that it's been a shitty week for America.
I didn't say the cops were racist in the shootings. I don't think it'd be a shocker if they were; but I didn't make any conclusions in my OG post.
You can't take a scientific test for racism, we'll never know.
The circumstances were unnecessary regardless of race.
Scenario 1) 2 cops holding a man down, knees on chest, arms and legs being restrained. Why shoot him?
Scenario 2) A man TELLS YOU HE HAS A LICENSED CARRY. Doesn't seem like that would be a threat. A real threat wouldn't inform you of the item he wants to threaten you with in 99.999999% of all normal human communication. You ask him to get your wallet but shoot because you are fearing his gun he told you about? At least that's the story, As usual with this crap we'll likely never get the facts.
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nevada
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for the first case, the video does show him struggling a lot. it very well could have been reaching for the pistol in his pocket. or perhaps, during the struggle it became exposed, and then what with his struggling and reaching, they made a decision.
they clearly knew he had the gun. there was no pat down after he was shot. the other cop walked right over and pulled it out of his pocket.
perhaps I read something different, but that is not how I believe it went down.
I wont say he deserved it, but you absolutely do NOT reach for anything WHILE saying, "I have a gun" that is sure to get a similar reaction every time. very, very poor judgment.
Jernik
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The problem, as I see it, is that we are not Americans first. We are not united as a country. We define ourselves as Democrat, Republican, Independent, Black, White, Hispanic, Rich, Poor, etc... Everything is "Us vs. Them" with little to no respect given to anyone not on "our" team. Dissenting opinions are shouted down with childish insults at worst or flippant disregard at best. It is almost treasonous to actually stop and think about the opposing view and where that sentiment comes from, to give "the enemy" any consideration or empathy.
This is fueled by our so-called leaders, our media, and various organizations/groups that profit from chaos. It permeates our entire society, and is encouraged by those who hold the highest offices in the land all the way down to the single person passing such ideals to his/her children.
"United we Stand, Divided we Fall" is not just a catchy patriotic slogan, it is a dire warning that we best heed, and soon, lest we join the history books as another great nation that crumbled from within and fell out of existence.
This is fueled by our so-called leaders, our media, and various organizations/groups that profit from chaos. It permeates our entire society, and is encouraged by those who hold the highest offices in the land all the way down to the single person passing such ideals to his/her children.
"United we Stand, Divided we Fall" is not just a catchy patriotic slogan, it is a dire warning that we best heed, and soon, lest we join the history books as another great nation that crumbled from within and fell out of existence.
hikenbike
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Like volcanos erupt.....societies change. Education has been horrendous for too long and you start to see the results of that over time. Our national intellect is abysmal. The American family is non-existent and IMO, it all starts and ends there in the grand scheme of things.
BUT in the end..........some people rise to the occasion, some don't. Some end up better off, some don't. Tensions calm down, common sense prevails, resilience is rewarded, and we move on.
We'll be good.
BUT in the end..........some people rise to the occasion, some don't. Some end up better off, some don't. Tensions calm down, common sense prevails, resilience is rewarded, and we move on.
We'll be good.
volkinator
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Well said
Let's take the end results of the two African Americans killed and the assassination of the Dallas LEOs.......dead people, all American citizens. It's is important to look at how we got here and what to do about minimizing these killings from happening again, justified or unjustified. BTW, there was also a white unarmed teen killed by police in Cali this week. People have to be held accountable for their actions and perception is reality. My perception is different from someone else's, I can't begin to think what it must be like to be a LEO but I also can't begin to think what it is like to be an African American. Some of the fatal shootings by LEOs I think are a result of mind set and their training models, I get they want to go home at the end of their shifts but maybe the training model needs some tweaking when it comes to escalation.
wadle5
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Training may need some tweaking when it comes to escalation? Last time I checked when shots starting ringing out in Dallas, LEO's in this highly escalated situation ran towards the gunfire or tried protecting innocent bystanders? What else do you recommend them doing in this case.
The reality is this Country just like this thread can't sit down in civility and discuss. It always resorts to name calling, and a large majority of news/narratives based on opinions before the facts are gathered in their entirety.
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What do you think may have lead up to this?
Maybe you need to read this post and really open your mind:
Jernik said:
wadle5
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So you didn't answer the question about your critique to training for LEOs?
And if you would have noticed before quoting I did read that and I even liked that post as well? :suspicious:
So on that tangent, happy Friday eh?
Glad to see you edited your original post to include more justification of your comment which is exactly what was quoted by my post. Training and escalation of confrontation can always be tweaked. As for tangent, your is always posts by a closed mind. Happy Friday to you. BTW, Your quote of my post was selective, another example of a closed mind. :high5:
BrianSD_42
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I definitely think the anti-police narrative behind the broad black lives matter movement is to blame for these attacks on LEOs.
In Oakland, CA they had protest last night that shut down the freeway, smashed windows, damaged cars and threw red paint on the police headquarters.
What does Oakland have to do with Minnesota? What does Dallas have to do with it? Nothing.
The idea behind the BLM movement is rotten to the core. Instead of protesting at the police headquarters they should be protesting outside the State Capitol. Police don't write the laws.
Oakland: Police brutality protestors shut down I-880 overnight, vandalize businesses - San Jose Mercury News
In Oakland, CA they had protest last night that shut down the freeway, smashed windows, damaged cars and threw red paint on the police headquarters.
What does Oakland have to do with Minnesota? What does Dallas have to do with it? Nothing.
The idea behind the BLM movement is rotten to the core. Instead of protesting at the police headquarters they should be protesting outside the State Capitol. Police don't write the laws.
Oakland: Police brutality protestors shut down I-880 overnight, vandalize businesses - San Jose Mercury News
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