Any thoughts on headers

BrianSD_42

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perhaps this has been covered before but a fresh perspective from newer members never hurts.

does anyone have any experience with adding headers to their 3.4L 4Runner?

I am considering adding a pair of Downey headers for $399, on sale because they went out of business.

I have heard they can add about 8 HP and 8 foot pound of torque especially across the low end of the RPM spectrum.

I already have flowmaster exhaust and a cold-air K&N intake.
 
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From what I have read headers allow better exhaust flow through the tail. However the gains are minimal when compared the cost and pia labor involved to install.

Having said that, those purchasing headers defend their decision regardless of dyno data. In my case, headers would complete my set up being supercharged with MagnaFlow high flow cat and Borla cat-back, if I can find a deal.

Lastly, it appears the pricey Doug Thorley headers came highly recommended from those during URD's last group buy.

Hopefully, someone will give their assessment on Downey headers. Regardless of the manufacture, ceramic coated is considered a must if available.

Hope this helps......regards 8sm
 
They aren't really worth it if your stock. Maybe if you had a supercharger. Like 8sm said, they can be a pain to install.

Your money would probably be better spent elsewhere.
 
brian, i would say do it! you have a cracked cylinder head so you will need to replace it and im assuming you will just do both head gaskets just to keep things uniform... so your gonna have the room opened up so the PITA factor is eliminated for the most part. you are gonna have to use new exhaust manifold gaskets anyways so why not just throw some headers on there. i dont care what people say if i can find a set and have some spare $$ im gonna get some for mine and all i have is a K&N but i still want them, and am not afraid of a little wrench time. anybody have advice on other brands like JBA or doug thorley?
 
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I have had the Downey headers and they were great. I did not like the cross over pipe being under the trany. They were a pain to bolt in. I now have Doug Thorley header. Much easer to install. My 2cents
 
I've had TRD headers on along with the TRD cat- back for a year and a half. I love it, my truck has more passing power and I can feel the difference when pulling a heavy load. I love the sound of my truck it's perfect IMO. I just recently put in a drop in K&N filter but didn't tell much difference. I don't know if the exhaust kit or headers are mostly responsible for my power gains bc I got them at the same time.
 
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brian, i would say do it! you have a cracked cylinder head so you will need to replace it and im assuming you will just do both head gaskets just to keep things uniform... so your gonna have the room opened up so the PITA factor is eliminated for the most part. you are gonna have to use new exhaust manifold gaskets anyways so why not just throw some headers on there.

Yeah my head issues suck! It is going to cost me a sh!tload of cash to fix. I am getting two *new* aftermarket heads by JE which is a Japanese aftermarket company. The truck guy I go to swears by them. Only one of my heads was cracked but the other doesn't look like it is in good shape. Other than the JE heads I am using all toyota parts/gaskets so it is $$ in parts. Total bill will be ~$2700 not including the Downey Headers.

More on my head issues can be found here: > ---LINK---


But since everything is apart I figure why not slap on these headers. The shop I go has a parts connection and was able to find a set of Downey Headers for only $399, they are normally $600-$700.


Here is a pic of the DYNO off of a 3.4L Toyota that added Doug Thorley headers.

 
I thought about adding a supercharger, headers, an exhaust, etc. And for my thousands of dollars I would have a 0-60 time still slower than my brothers 04 Accord and no track days. I think $400 on a few horses for a 4runner isn't really worth it. That being said - to each his own. Sometime it's about the feel. And it's your money. Plus, that dyno chart looks pretty promising for some noticeable gains.

*Sigh* Soon I'll have my STi back and all will be well in the jungle. :driving:
 
unless ur going s/c dont bother

ah you guys are buzz kills! LOL

just get the headers then get a supercharger! who cares if its not gonna be as fast as a Honda??

Personally I need to do my exhaust before I do a S/C so I will be doing headers, I almost did a TRD catback exhaust yesterday found it for 200$

1 piece at a time! :D
 
At some point, my stock headers are going to rust off! When it comes time to replace them, I have no idea how I'll free them from the rust blobs that used to be studs/nuts.
 
At some point, my stock headers are going to rust off

I have been told that stock 4Runner's don't have headers they have exhaust manifolds which is why switching to headers is such an improvement, even without a S/C.

I won't be adding SC but am adding the Downey headers. At $399 + $100 for install and parts it seems like a great deal. Something to make me smile after an otherwise terrible 4Runner week. Also since I'm already broke for next 4 months because of my truck I might as well get the most out of the situation.

:dammit:
 
I was shown the difference between a 96-98 exhaust manifold and the later years manifold and after seeing that alone I wanted to do headers. I ran downey headers and exhaust on my 94 22RE and they worked great, obviously a little differnt on a 3.4 but I think it will make a difference.

if you could do a write up when you do this project and include pics you would be my new BFF!
 
I have thought about doing this in the future, along with a sc and aftermarket exhaust, but honestly I dont want my 4runner to sound ridiculous. Can you do headers with a minimal noise increase?
 
as long as you have a good muffler the headers wont make that much of a noticeable difference, maybe just a bit more "throaty"
 
and to all you guys who say "dont do it, its not worth it... oh shut up! we all know its not gonna turn our trucks into a McLaren F1 or Bugatti Veyron or even a Supra. but it will add power and sure maybe that alone wont be noticeable but then again was your deck-plate mod noticeable!? yeah didnt think so cause i know my cold air intake wasnt and they add about the same hp. but when you start doing little things like that and combining them, cold air/deck-plate + cat back + headers, it will be noticeable over stock, and again while yes it wont be fast it will have more power to help turn those bigger tires we all have or the extra weight we all carry around in bumpers and armor and racks ect. so stop being Negative Nancey's and dont hate
 
but then again was your deck-plate mod noticeable!? yeah didnt think so cause i know my cold air intake wasnt and they add about the same hp.

Was it noticeable? Not really, but it also only cost $10. There is a big difference in doing a mod that's $10 vs $450+.

Now if a guy wants to install them himself it becomes a little more wallet friendly. I could also understand someone putting them on if their stock ones were rusted like Qyota.
 
No hate, just my 2 cents. I think that $400-$500 for a mod that will only gain a few HP is a poor investment. In the performance car world, a mod that costs more than $10 per HP ($20 on the high side) is generally considered a poor investment. Headers will cost about $60 per HP, and that is pretty expensive. If you want to make a real difference, put the S/C (or nitrous) on it. You'll get a lot more bang for your buck (though still get beat by the Civic). Headers might make it sound faster but performance and fuel economy gains will not be noticeable to most people. It might 'seem' faster but that is probably mostly psychological (like people who say those tornado intake things make their car faster and get better mileage, even though scientific tests have shown they make no difference at all), or the open air filters on the boy racers that make lots of noise but no real performance difference.

Headers generally don't make much of a difference on modern fuel injected cars (though there are some exceptions, such as a high-performance build with bigger cams). 'Back in the day' a set of headers would add 30 HP or more to a stock small-block Chevy (heads and manifolds were that bad back then!). But today, with exhaust system design much better, better heads, and fuel injection, headers generally don't make that kind of bolt-on difference any more. On a typical LS1, headers will gain less than 20 HP. 8 HP on a 3.4 is probably about right, and that ain't much for $500.

And I definitely wouldn't spend the money on headers if I had a S/C on the motor. Superchargers force feed the air/fuel and purge the exhaust better than headers will do. On 03/04 4.6L Cobra Mustangs, dyno tests have shown that headers make very little difference (like 10-15 HP on a 500 HP motor) until the motor is making over about 600 HP. Unless your supercharged 3.4 is making about 375 HP you shouldn't need headers.

A cat-back exhaust would probably make about as much difference for less money and lot easier to put on.
 
Thanks for all the input.

I won't be adding a SC because I can't justify $3000; I can however justify spending $399.
So the story goes....

I already have catback exhaust in form of flowmaster, I also have a K&N cold air intake. I hope the headers compliment the setup well.
 
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