Apparently Toytec isn't a "true" suspension lift

[Thorgan112]

So I have been on the wall between selling my truck or putting a ton of money into it. I just called RMS Off-road in LI (very friendly) and explained to them that if I keep the rig I plan on dropping 6k into it right off the bat. I said I was currently having issues with rubbing and have done all I can with trimming and even put a 1" bl on to help a bit. He replied by saying well thats the problem right there, you have a toytec ultimate lift. Let me rephrase, he did not bash toytec the slightest, he just said that its not a "true" suspension lift, and most people don't realize that. It was at this very moment that I realized, and I have no idea why I never noticed it before, that the toytec coilovers basically are on spacers. That whole 1 1/2" on top of the coil over is just a spacer! haha

Well I can't complain too much it was the first thing I installed and I knew nothing about trucks then. I will probably be selling these soon if I keep the truck as in I will most likely be redoing the whole suspension (AGAIN!) with a real kit to help fit the 35's I have, as well as regearing the differentials and adding in some arb lockers! (What the hell maybe I should go bananas and do a SAS swap, I wish). Keep a lookout in the classifieds section for a toytec ul with only 12k miles on it.

Btw if anyone from long island has any input on RMS please let me know. There isnt much written about them on here. But I was happy when he said most of the guys who work there drive toyotas themselves.

 

[JayRolla]

So I have been on the wall between selling my truck or putting a ton of money into it. I just called RMS Off-road in LI (very friendly) and explained to them that if I keep the rig I plan on dropping 6k into it right off the bat. I said I was currently having issues with rubbing and have done all I can with trimming and even put a 1" bl on to help a bit. He replied by saying well thats the problem right there, you have a toytec ultimate lift. Let me rephrase, he did not bash toytec the slightest, he just said that its not a "true" suspension lift, and most people don't realize that. It was at this very moment that I realized, and I have no idea why I never noticed it before, that the toytec coilovers basically are on spacers. That whole 1 1/2" on top of the coil over is just a spacer! haha

Well I can't complain too much it was the first thing I installed and I knew nothing about trucks then. I will probably be selling these soon if I keep the truck as in I will most likely be redoing the whole suspension (AGAIN!) with a real kit to help fit the 35's I have, as well as regearing the differentials and adding in some arb lockers! (What the hell maybe I should go bananas and do a SAS swap, I wish). Keep a lookout in the classifieds section for a toytec ul with only 12k miles on it.

Btw if anyone from long island has any input on RMS please let me know. There isnt much written about them on here. But I was happy when he said most of the guys who work there drive toyotas themselves.

Its true that toytec just takes other parts and puts them together with some of there little changes to create a true lift kit. The coilover is an adjustable sleeve with a top plate (not a spacer) over a bilstein shock and eibach springs. It is a true suspension lift. The OME coils only give 2" lift so they will run a top out spacer to get more lift. This is still a suspension lift since the suspension is lifting the truck and not a body lift. Its not using stock coils so you still get more flex out of it but your limited by your IFS.

The issue your rubbing with 35's is not that you dont have true suspension lift its that you are running tires not made to fit in our fenders. If you want to have a better lift to run 35's than you need to go SAS. Also you need to cut, hammer, and modify fenders. You also need to lower your bump stops to eliminate the tire stuffing into the fender.

Or you can do like the rest of us and just run a 33" tire so you dont have so much issues when stuffing tires.

 

[Sierra946]

Unless you have a lot of money and/or can fab up your own custom stuff, there's no other choice. You either need to do an sas or custom fab something to drop the entire front dif down under the frame's cross member. Then you'd need to drop the lower and upper control arms, along with steering rack. For all that trouble, you still have an ifs rig. For that kind of time, money and fab you might as well do a sas.

 

[MillerPKA]

Yes and no. Of course the top plate is for additional gain, but their coilovers are top quality aftermarket coils and shocks which are designed to handle extra stress from off road as well as lift your vehicle. In the sense of a bolt on suspension lift, that is exactly what it is.

I think your gripe is with bolt on lifts vs. all out kits that redo your front end. One is for relatively easy, out of the box gains that are forced to use the geometry, bolt holes, etc. already on the vehicle, so the total potential is rather limited. In that sense, the Toytec c/o's are great in my opinion. Your issue is not having total clearance for 35s on a mid-size SUV. To satisfy that you'll have to chop, grind, sand, weld and rebuild the front suspension into a better total setup.

This isn't a revelation, and I want to say most everyone here understands that. You said above you were going to drop 6k if you were going to keep it, so it sounds like you already had an idea of the costs involved in getting a true suspension set. You should have realized that a kit a sixth the cost was not going to change your world like a full on long travel kit or similar.

 

[GhostDog]

There's no "Real Kit" that will help you fit 35s. To fit 35s with minor trimming you need 5"+ of lift, with that said the most suspension lift you can get is 3.5" so the remaining has to come from a body lift. There's also drop bracket lifts but that another subject.

 

[Fishwerks]

What do you mean "true suspension lift"?

All coil overs look like the Toytecs - see Icon, SAW, King, etc.

I'm just curious what you (or the guy on the phone) would call a true suspension lift.

 

[Thorgan112]

I had a feeling I was gonna cause some dismay and disagreement here with what I wrote. I guess what I and the guy were talking about were long travel suspension kits which cost quite a bit more than the toytec....don't get me wrong, I was not bashing toytec at all either, it was a fantastic adjustable, bolt right in no questions asked suspension....if I wasn't so stubborn and set on getting 35s to work I would probably be very happy

 

[GhostDog]

Even with a long travel set up 35s are going to require lots of trimming pounding etc and glass fenders especially if you really plan to use long travel for what it's made for.

What kind of offroading are you planning on doing? It might be better to bite the bullet and clearance for 35s.

 

[samwalters]

I have the boss kit and needed to trim my bumper to fit 285/75/16 tires. Like the others said if you want 35s you might want to consider SAS. I get great flex out of the toytec lift and I can even run pretty quick through desert conditions without bottoming out or anything. I'm happy with the lift.

 

[Thorgan112]

I'm trying to get the rig setup for wheeling out in Virginia with my cousin, he has a wrangler and has it pretty done up. Him and I have always been extremely competitive with eachother so needless to say I can't let him beat me off the roads, ecspecially in a wrangler

 

[JayRolla]

I'm trying to get the rig setup for wheeling out in Virginia with my cousin, he has a wrangler and has it pretty done up. Him and I have always been extremely competitive with eachother so needless to say I can't let him beat me off the roads, ecspecially in a wrangler

Your setup now locked will keep up with solid axled locked jeeps all day. But if you really want a full travel setup you need to go SAS. Its that simple. I would go SAS way before doing a long travel IFS setup which cost tons of money and still is limited by being IFS.

 

[Sierra946]

I'm trying to get the rig setup for wheeling out in Virginia with my cousin, he has a wrangler and has it pretty done up. Him and I have always been extremely competitive with eachother so needless to say I can't let him beat me off the roads, ecspecially in a wrangler

I wheel with 3 friends who all have lifted jeeps with 35" or 37" tires. I haven't found anything they could do that I couldn't yet. In some instances, I was able to get up obstacles that they had to winch up. The more you wheel, you'll find that success is more based on driver experience. I've seen guys in stock rigs get over obstacles that guys in built rigs had trouble with. The guy in the stocker was extremely experienced. The other guys had only been wheeling for 2-3 seasons.

I also agree with the others. If you want to stuff 35's, start trimming. I had to do a lot of trimming in the wheel well and a little on the fender.

 

[MTD]

I had a feeling I was gonna cause some dismay and disagreement here with what I wrote. I guess what I and the guy were talking about were long travel suspension kits which cost quite a bit more than the toytec....don't get me wrong, I was not bashing toytec at all either, it was a fantastic adjustable, bolt right in no questions asked suspension....if I wasn't so stubborn and set on getting 35s to work I would probably be very happy

Anything that increases the height of the vehicle using the suspension as opposed to the body or spacer is a true suspension lift. Toytec is a true suspension lift and very very much unlike a spacer because you can still hit the bumpstop without bottoming out the suspension. If the top plate acted as a "spacer" the shock would bottom out before the suspension completed a full cycle (full droop to bumpstop). A spacer lift does not accomplish this because the added height is not taken up by the travel available within the shock and the suspension will bottom out before it hits the bumpstops causing catastrophic failures like the picture bellow. With the lifts toytec this is not the case....

If I were you I would do some more research or find an offroad shop that is familiar with toyotas, or suspension for that matter.....

 

[Doc2012]

Unless you have a lot of money and/or can fab up your own custom stuff, there's no other choice. You either need to do an sas or custom fab something to drop the entire front dif down under the frame's cross member. Then you'd need to drop the lower and upper control arms, along with steering rack. For all that trouble, you still have an ifs rig. For that kind of time, money and fab you might as well do a sas.

There's no "Real Kit" that will help you fit 35s. To fit 35s with minor trimming you need 5"+ of lift, with that said the most suspension lift you can get is 3.5" so the remaining has to come from a body lift. There's also drop bracket lifts but that another subject.

The **** are you guys talking about?

Dropping the entire front diff down and SASing as the only way to run 35s?

PLENTY of people here are running 35s, on IFS.

[MENTION=97873]Thorgan112[/MENTION]:

Get some adjustable Coilovers.

I highly recommend ICON Vehicle Dynamics.

Get on 4Crawlers website, order a 1.5" BL.

Order a set of 1.25" SpiderTraxx wheel spacers.


You might have to do a little BFH work to the firewall, but no biggie.

Next, get some bumpers so you don't have to trim your stock ones.


I'm running 315/75/16, stock 5 star rims, Danahoe Racing Coilovers (now ICON), 1.25" SpiderTraxx wheel spacers, and a 1.5" 4Crawler Body Lift.

NOW, I did trim my fenders for 37s. But it only helped with the 35s.

 

[steezemcqueen]

Op,

Don't believe everything people tell you



....shit

 

[ARC]

Anything that increases the height of the vehicle using the suspension as opposed to the body or spacer is a true suspension lift. Toytec is a true suspension lift and very very much unlike a spacer because you can still hit the bumpstop without bottoming out the suspension. If the top plate acted as a "spacer" the shock would bottom out before the suspension completed a full cycle (full droop to bumpstop). A spacer lift does not accomplish this because the added height is not taken up by the travel available within the shock and the suspension will bottom out before it hits the bumpstops causing catastrophic failures like the picture bellow. With the lifts toytec this is not the case....

If I were you I would do some more research or find an offroad shop that is familiar with toyotas, or suspension for that matter.....

^^^^^ This.

Are 2.5" adjustable coilovers better? Yes
Is a SAS better than that? Yes
Is a tube chassis buggy even better? Yes

But that fact is the guy who told you it wasn't a suspension lift is wrong. Just dead wrong.:deadhorse:

 

[1985taylor1925]

Ghosts sit around the campfire . . . and tell Chuck Norris stories.

 

[GhostDog]

The **** are you guys talking about?

Dropping the entire front diff down and SASing as the only way to run 35s?

What I said was...

To fit 35s with minor trimming you need 5"+ of lift

PLENTY of people here are running 35s, on IFS.

I know I'm one of them...:wave:

OP already has the suspension setup and BL he really just needs to start trimming and hammering.

 

[sn0wrunner]

Everyone knows Toytec kit = trophy truck

Get some Dylan!!! [MENTION=9139]steezemcqueen[/MENTION]

 

[MTD]

Everyone knows Toytec kit = trophy truck

Get some Dylan!!! [MENTION=9139]steezemcqueen[/MENTION]

Yee, Yee!