Apple Opposes Judge Order to Break Encryption

[BrianSD_42]

Source: Members Of Congress Dismayed By FBI Director’s Lack Of Tech Knowledge
Source: Members Of Congress Dismayed By FBI Director?s Lack Of Tech Knowledge | Fast Company | Business + Innovation

Issa then wanted to know if the FBI had tried the second approach of removing and copying the flash memory of the iPhone. He explained the process of copying the flash memory and copying it many times so that the same encryption key could be preserved on the phone through thousands and thousands of attempts to enter the correct passcode.

Issa seemed to know that Comey didn’t even understand the question, much less the answer.

"If you haven’t asked that question, how can you come before this committee and before a federal judge and demand that somebody else invent something, if you can’t answer the questions that your people have tried this?" he asked Comey.

Comey replied: "First, I’m the director of the FBI. If I could answer that question there’d be something dysfunctional with my leadership."

Issa: "I only asked you if your people have tried that, not whether or not it would work," he said. "Who did you go to to find out if you could do it yourself?"

Comey: "I did not ask the questions you're asking here today and I’m not sure I even understand the questions," the director said. "I have reasonable confidence, in fact I have high confidence, that the federal government has reviewed all the options."

 

[SupaSupra]

Source: Members Of Congress Dismayed By FBI Director’s Lack Of Tech Knowledge
Source: Members Of Congress Dismayed By FBI Director?s Lack Of Tech Knowledge | Fast Company | Business + Innovation

That's bad. I can understand not knowing the intricate details of how iOS encryption works, but to not even ask people who do if there were other ways to get into the phone is absurd.

 

[nevada]

hm, an ignorant, high placed government employee. you don't say....

 

[BrianSD_42]

HBO gives it a go ...


PSA Skit --> https://youtu.be/RFwk3vjHLQs


Full segment:
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[MtnT4R]

This may have been covered in a previous page, but I heard a very interesting interview on NPR yesterday morning:

Encryption, Privacy Are Larger Issues Than Fighting Terrorism, Clarke Says : NPR

Richard Clarke, former counter-terrorism coordinator who served the Clinton and Bush administrations:

GREENE: So if you were still inside the government right now as a counterterrorism official, could you have seen yourself being more sympathetic with the FBI in doing everything for you that it can to crack this case?

CLARKE: No, David. If I were in the job now, I would have simply told the FBI to call Fort Meade, the headquarters of the National Security Agency, and NSA would have solved this problem for them. They're not as interested in solving the problem as they are in getting a legal precedent.

GREENE: Wow, that sounds like quite a charge. You're suggesting they could have just gone to the NSA to crack this iPhone but they're presenting this case because they want to set a precedent to be able to do it in the future?

CLARKE: Every expert I know believes that NSA could crack this phone. They want the precedent that the government can compel a computer device manufacturer to allow the government in.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

This may have been covered in a previous page, but I heard a very interesting interview on NPR yesterday morning:

Encryption, Privacy Are Larger Issues Than Fighting Terrorism, Clarke Says : NPR

Richard Clarke, former counter-terrorism coordinator who served the Clinton and Bush administrations:

That doesn't surprise me if true and fits with what I was thinking as well. The CIA and NSA tend to be on the less "Public" side of the government, while the FBI is a more public figure in our government in terms of operation. It'd be more beneficial for the government to set a precedent and force the work onto the companies to do their bidding than to spend resources, time, and money with the NSA to break into phones; not to mention if they have legal precedent then no future Edward Snowden can dump a bunch of hidden documentation and make the government look bad since they already set up legal precedent to break into phones on the public face.

It's interesting how this is developing... Also that quoted comment earlier about "copying the phone and just trying to break into multiple clones until one works, is interesting; but I don't think it would work since supposedly they already locked out the phone if I remember right?

 

[BoomSticks]

https://youtu.be/zsjZ2r9Ygzw

 

[DK327]

Just an update to keep this alive, FBI now says a third-party helped them unlock the phone so they don't need Apple anymore... *roll eyes* They didn't need Apple to begin with, they were just testing the waters to see how everyone would react to an absurd request to backdoor the OS...

FBI to Apple: We don't need your iPhone hack - CNET

 

[hikenbike]

Just an update to keep this alive, FBI now says a third-party helped them unlock the phone so they don't need Apple anymore... *roll eyes* They didn't need Apple to begin with, they were just testing the waters to see how everyone would react to an absurd request to backdoor the OS...



FBI to Apple: We don't need your iPhone hack - CNET

Or Apple assisted, just not publicly.......or they don't need it and found this a way to bow out while saving face......or they just backed off (perhaps changing their mind after they learned more about the repercussions) and are trying to save face........either way, we'll never really know.

If a 3rd party helped, then why aren't there the same concerns as before or perhaps even greater concerns?

 

[Bigshankhank]

If a 3rd party helped, then why aren't there the same concerns as before or perhaps even greater concerns?

Because its unlikely a 3rd party could rewrite the code for iOS to create an exploitable backdoor as the FBI was demanding of Apple. Would this reveal an existing weakness? Possible, in which case I am sure Apple would be all over it watching another developer do their product security testing for them, then simply fix the hole they exposed.

 

[Wingsuit]

Just an update to keep this alive, FBI now says a third-party helped them unlock the phone so they don't need Apple anymore... *roll eyes* They didn't need Apple to begin with, they were just testing the waters to see how everyone would react to an absurd request to backdoor the OS...

FBI to Apple: We don't need your iPhone hack - CNET

The notion that an FBI Special Agent would commit perjury by filing a false sworn affidavit in Federal Court is what is absurd. You black helicopter people think everything is a government conspiracy. What is hilarious, however, is that Apple's encryption has been defeated by the either the government or someone helping the government. Since encryption is really all they have that is "special" it must be a devastating blow. Back to the drawing board.

 

[Wingsuit]

Or Apple assisted, just not publicly.......or they don't need it and found this a way to bow out while saving face......or they just backed off (perhaps changing their mind after they learned more about the repercussions) and are trying to save face........either way, we'll never really know.

If a 3rd party helped, then why aren't there the same concerns as before or perhaps even greater concerns?

Really? Apple secretly helped the FBI while lying to the Court? You need to get a better understanding of the federal legal system.

 

[DK327]

You black helicopter people think everything is a government conspiracy.

Federal government working with an "outside party" to unlock the phone, an agreement between multiple parties with the goal of meeting an objective, by definition is a conspiracy. They conspired together to hack the phone. Period, paragraph. No need for black helicopters or green men from planet Poptart.

 

[Wingsuit]

Well then I conspired with the Starbucks barista today to get a coffee, in your view. An actual legal conspiracy requires an attempt to violate an actual federal law. Twilight zone music goes here. Always sleep with one eye open. Don't ever trust anyone. Let your imagination run wild. In what must be your very ample spare time.

 

[acolle]

... Planet Poptart.

Lol. That is ****ing funny. I need to use that term moving forward. Love it.

 

[Wingsuit]

Federal government working with an "outside party" to unlock the phone, an agreement between multiple parties with the goal of meeting an objective, by definition is a conspiracy. They conspired together to hack the phone. Period, paragraph. No need for black helicopters or green men from planet Poptart.

Actually, it's defined as a secret plan among two or more people to do something illegal or harmful. Breaking into the phone with the permission of its owner as well as a search warrant is not illegal, and it's not an unreasonable search and seizure. It might be harmful to Apple's ego, though.

 

[TK-422]

Dear Apple: from the government..

 

[Thai]

The notion that an FBI Special Agent would commit perjury by filing a false sworn affidavit in Federal Court is what is absurd. You black helicopter people think everything is a government conspiracy. What is hilarious, however, is that Apple's encryption has been defeated by the either the government or someone helping the government. Since encryption is really all they have that is "special" it must be a devastating blow. Back to the drawing board.

The question is...how much resources does it take to break into an encrypted iPhone? It can be done. But how much time and resources does it take?

You think that this "3rd party" method is a blow to Apple? How so? That it took THIS LONG and MANY TECH MINDS from across the country to finally have a method to break in? Aren't we going on 4 months or more?

If anything, then this whole fiasco has been a MAJOR WIN for Apple. It proves that encryption works...requiring the best minds from NSA and others to break into it. And it proves that encryption by Apple will easily deter thieves and hackers.

And the best part? It pushes Apple to even make encryption stronger in near future...now focusing on Apple's server side.

And you think that encryption is the only thing special about Apple? LOL Classic ignorance.

 

[ndcent]

Interesting view from up on that iHorse.

 

[Wingsuit]

A MAJOR WIN for Apple? If you say so. Like we both just said then, back to the drawing board ... I heard the Apple car will also be immune to the legal process called a search warrant, too. Cause if you're Apple you're above the Law. Gonna get me an I(sis) car when they come out. First though, gotta grow a huge beard, get some heavy glasses, tight pants, and a hipster hair cut.