AT Tire Thread... Again

i get that you want a one tire for all times but it seems like ur more interested/stuck on the 255/75 size (32.6) than the brand or type, guess that 1 in. difference from a 265/70 (31.6) is what most important to you.

Good point. I seem to have overlooked that the OP seems to be set on that size. I considered that size as well, but after seeing it on jeeps, realized that it looked too skinny for what I wanted, and honestly felt that the overall size was better balanced with the 265/70, rather than just having a slightly taller tire. What sold me in the end was that my local tire store had the Falkens in stock for a great price, and I was able to roll one out to compare to the 265/65s that I had on there. Once I saw them side by side, the choice was clear for me.
 
yea, like you, im also pretty impressed with the wildpeaks, they fit my all around tire needs very well, especially in rain, but only time will tell how they wear
 
yea, like you, im also pretty impressed with the wildpeaks, they fit my all around tire needs very well, especially in rain, but only time will tell how they wear

I believe that was really the only real advantage the KO2 seemed to have from all of the reviews I read (and some said slightly quieter). I believe it was only like a 10k difference though, so once you factor in the cost savings, the Falkens pull ahead. I don’t ever run tires to the ragged edge (mileage-wise) anyway, so that was not even a consideration for me. Since I have several vehicles, I usually end up changing tires due to age rather than wear anyway.

OP, check to see if the KO2 comes in the size you’re looking for. You’ll pay more up front, but you will have pretty much everything you’re seeking inmo. After months of reading and research, I came to the conclusion that I was only going with either the Falken, or the KO2. I did consider another set of the Toyo Open Country ATII as well, but they were so close in price to the KO2, that I was able to take my list down to the 2 I mentioned.
 
op also seems to be worried alot about driving on ice so most likely he will end up being disappointed in any AT. imo, if a taller tire over 32 is absolutely necessary , id suggest going with cheap spacer install on top of the FJ springs op has now, otherwise depending on what wheels he has the inner fenders may still need moving forward with the 255/75.
 
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The reason I mention the Toyo despite its cost over other brands is flat-out quality. They make the most balanced, round tires on the market - as good or even better than Michelin. In 17" sizes, the runout, of course, won't be as important as say 20" and larger wheels - trying to balance the 20" Firestones on my Dodge Ram 1500 has been an exercise in futility. But, that difference in quality also translates to treadwear and overall belt life. I traded off my Tacoma with 25,000 miles on a set of Toyo ATII's - still showing 90% tread depth. Other than the usual rotation at 10,000 miles we never touched them and they ran dead smooth over 100mph easily. The Firestones on my Dodge have only 10,000 miles and are down to 60% already - pretty pathetic if you ask me.

The two tires I've had the best overall luck with were Toyo and the Yokohama ATS. I had the ATS set on a '07 Dodge Dakota - those tires were like magic on snow and ice, kept the truck planted dead on the road and had zero noise. Very low tread wear as well. The Toyo Open Country MT's that were still on the old '77 FJ40 I just sold last fall had almost 30,000 miles on them, almost all highway and showed almost no signs of wear. Pure animal in the snow - that truck would push through drifts up to the windshield easily. Despite the tread design, they were also very quiet for a full-blown Mud Terrain. On today's market, unless you're doing nothing but hard-core wheeling - most AT's made now are nearly as good and in some cases - better.

I do see a lot of the Cooper and Falken ATs on trucks around here. Even on half tons - the one constant I see is a lot of cupping on both of those brands. It seems to be almost as bad as Firestone and Goodyear - both of which I consider overpriced for their lack of quality. Another reason I prefer Toyo is you can get sets made in Japan and there is a serious difference in Japanese tire quality versus Taiwan or even the US. The Japan made set on that Tacoma required nearly zero weights to balance them - that weight was to mostly correct the stock cast aluminum wheels since we checked those alone before mounting. My tire guy is excellent at his craft - still says he's never seen a set of tires made that well since.

For the price difference, I'm still pissed about buying the Firestones for the Dodge versus just biting the bullet and getting a set of Toyos - I'll end probably dumping those Firestones this summer and replace them. Sick of that truck shaking at certain speeds and don't want the problems with steering rack wear that such crappy tires can create. Live and learn, I guess.

Just some thoughts -

Sarge
 
I'm not entirely stuck on the 255/75, but I just don't know if the 255/80 will fit. The reasoning behind 255 vs 265 is that I am at least attempting to salvage some fuel efficiency and, from my understanding, the skinnier tire is better offroad in all but mud and sand. If someone can provide evidence to the contrary, I would be more than happy to listen. This is just what research has led me to. As an added bonus, it should be easier to fit.

In regards to ice performance. Trust me, I fully understand that no AT will match a winter tire. I've been driving in snow/ice my whole life and always had snows for that exact reason.

In regards to the Toyos, how exactly are you determining country of origin?
 
On Toyo tires, country of origin is actually labeled on the sidewall. I bought all of mine through Discount Tire and actually drove to their warehouse versus just having them shipped. After a talk with the counter guy - they agreed to let me pick out a complete set with matching date codes and all made in Japan. Out of the two stacks they had in stock in my size, only 2 tires were made in Taiwan. If you actually talk to a sales rep - most will go out of their way to get you what you want. Latest date codes and all made in the same country of origin are things to ask for - most will comply with those requests to make a sale, some will not and you get what you get. That's why I went directly to their warehouse - face to face it is much easier to deal with these folks - they get it and don't have an issue with it.

That was a little over a 2hr drive. With the fuel cost being taken into account I saved over $80 versus shipping my tires. Doesn't work for everyone, of course, but to get what I wanted it was worth the effort. You can really save some coin by dealing directly in person with a distributor versus just buying them online from any warehouse outlet. Discount Tire had a nice price difference when I bought them directly at their location. Just takes some research once you settle on what brand you want. Warranty is always through the manufacturer, so that's not an issue. My local tire guy has zero problems with me showing up with a new set bought from someone else and just charges me the base mount/balance rate and does excellent work. If you buy outside of your local shop you will, of course, lose the free rotation that most shops include with your tire purchase - that is common practice.

Rotations included does not mean re-balancing at any shop I've found unless it is within the first couple of weeks of mounting new tires. Given the issues I've had with these Firestones - I have had to pay to re-balance this set twice now which ate the cost difference between those and a set of Toyos. Like I said - live and learn.

If cost is your biggest factor in tire choice - there is nothing wrong with that. But, don't be surprised if what you end up with is a big disappointment. It can become, as in my case with the pickup truck - a true mistake I regret every time I drive the damned thing. They are wearing dead true, so there is some used value to this set I have now and they are popular tire around here. I do have an option to dump them this summer and get a good set on the truck. These larger OEM tire sizes on modern pickups are a known problem - trying to balance 33" tall tires on 20" heavy wheels is not easy and there are some magic combinations that work or don't work. The 17" & 18" stock wheels on the T4R are easy enough to deal with and generally balance easily. If you get a set that doesn't want to balance, demand a refund or exchange for something else and avoid that brand/style of tire.

Just a heads up for some extra insight on a pretty expensive purchase, nothing worse than getting disappointed and being stuck with something that doesn't work as it should.

I will add one thing - my '03 came with a badly worn out set of Michelins in the stock size. These are the common M&S radials used on 4Runners. Despite being nearly down on the wear bars on all four corners - these still bite amazingly well on snow and ice. Even in deeper snows, I can just hit the throttle and they will still pull up until the snow piles up in front of the bumper. I'm a bit torn about going to a full AT tire, but I work construction and the muddy job sites I have to get into will require something a lot more aggressive. Looking at replacement prices those Michelins are actually more expensive than the Toyo - so that makes the decision easier. Those stock tires are quite old - made in 2011 with a lot of dry rotting and no idea how many miles are on them, I suspect it is quite a lot. No signs of any belt issues at all and the tread wear is dead flat and smooth - pretty impressive but that is a sign of true quality.

I sort of look at it this way - either buy the cheapest, best-performing tire you can find for the money and replace them more often, which is not a totally bad thing or, spend the extra coin and get a really high-quality set that will last far longer. On one hand, less money up front and you have sets that are fresh more often. The other way - you run them until they no longer perform at all due to cost. Just a thought.

Btw - it also depends on which 4Runner you have. The full time 4wd V8 that I own will work easier on nearly any junk tire out there. Part-time V6 models will show more sensitivity to lesser traction tires, just fyi.

Sarge
 
no 255/80 are about 33 so wont fit with the small lift you have, also something to think about is , depending on brand, the 255/75 is is about 32, & 265/70 is about 31 & 1/2, do you really think that tiny bit of difference will be that much better offroad? on the street theres also tire/wheel weight to consider. as far as fuel goes, people can & do argue over which will get better mpg, but at least to me, its driving habits that really make a big difference. if your regularly going from texas to alaska & offroading too, just get the lightest/ cheapest 255/75 you can find cause i doubt youll get 55k out of em. anyway, good luck with your choice
 
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no 255/80 are about 33 so wont fit with the small lift you have, also something to think about is , depending on brand, the 255/75 is is about 32, & 265/70 is about 31 & 1/2, do you really think that tiny bit of difference will be that much better offroad? on the street theres also tire/wheel weight to consider. as far as fuel goes, people can & do argue over which will get better mpg, but at least to me, its driving habits that really make a big difference. if your regularly going from texas to alaska & offroading too, just get the lightest/ cheapest 255/75 you can find cause i doubt youll get 55k out of em. anyway, good luck with your choice

See, the part I am confused about on tire fitment is that the friend of mine has a GX, not LX as stated earlier (Sorry), that he has the same height difference on and is running 285/70 without issue. I'm not regularly making that trip, it was just as an example of different conditions that the tires will likely see as I plan to travel quite a lot.
 
On Toyo tires, country of origin is actually labeled on the sidewall. I bought all of mine through Discount Tire and actually drove to their warehouse versus just having them shipped. After a talk with the counter guy - they agreed to let me pick out a complete set with matching date codes and all made in Japan. Out of the two stacks they had in stock in my size, only 2 tires were made in Taiwan. If you actually talk to a sales rep - most will go out of their way to get you what you want. Latest date codes and all made in the same country of origin are things to ask for - most will comply with those requests to make a sale, some will not and you get what you get. That's why I went directly to their warehouse - face to face it is much easier to deal with these folks - they get it and don't have an issue with it.

That was a little over a 2hr drive. With the fuel cost being taken into account I saved over $80 versus shipping my tires. Doesn't work for everyone, of course, but to get what I wanted it was worth the effort. You can really save some coin by dealing directly in person with a distributor versus just buying them online from any warehouse outlet. Discount Tire had a nice price difference when I bought them directly at their location. Just takes some research once you settle on what brand you want. Warranty is always through the manufacturer, so that's not an issue. My local tire guy has zero problems with me showing up with a new set bought from someone else and just charges me the base mount/balance rate and does excellent work. If you buy outside of your local shop you will, of course, lose the free rotation that most shops include with your tire purchase - that is common practice.

Rotations included does not mean re-balancing at any shop I've found unless it is within the first couple of weeks of mounting new tires. Given the issues I've had with these Firestones - I have had to pay to re-balance this set twice now which ate the cost difference between those and a set of Toyos. Like I said - live and learn.

If cost is your biggest factor in tire choice - there is nothing wrong with that. But, don't be surprised if what you end up with is a big disappointment. It can become, as in my case with the pickup truck - a true mistake I regret every time I drive the damned thing. They are wearing dead true, so there is some used value to this set I have now and they are popular tire around here. I do have an option to dump them this summer and get a good set on the truck. These larger OEM tire sizes on modern pickups are a known problem - trying to balance 33" tall tires on 20" heavy wheels is not easy and there are some magic combinations that work or don't work. The 17" & 18" stock wheels on the T4R are easy enough to deal with and generally balance easily. If you get a set that doesn't want to balance, demand a refund or exchange for something else and avoid that brand/style of tire.

Just a heads up for some extra insight on a pretty expensive purchase, nothing worse than getting disappointed and being stuck with something that doesn't work as it should.

I will add one thing - my '03 came with a badly worn out set of Michelins in the stock size. These are the common M&S radials used on 4Runners. Despite being nearly down on the wear bars on all four corners - these still bite amazingly well on snow and ice. Even in deeper snows, I can just hit the throttle and they will still pull up until the snow piles up in front of the bumper. I'm a bit torn about going to a full AT tire, but I work construction and the muddy job sites I have to get into will require something a lot more aggressive. Looking at replacement prices those Michelins are actually more expensive than the Toyo - so that makes the decision easier. Those stock tires are quite old - made in 2011 with a lot of dry rotting and no idea how many miles are on them, I suspect it is quite a lot. No signs of any belt issues at all and the tread wear is dead flat and smooth - pretty impressive but that is a sign of true quality.

I sort of look at it this way - either buy the cheapest, best-performing tire you can find for the money and replace them more often, which is not a totally bad thing or, spend the extra coin and get a really high-quality set that will last far longer. On one hand, less money up front and you have sets that are fresh more often. The other way - you run them until they no longer perform at all due to cost. Just a thought.

Btw - it also depends on which 4Runner you have. The full time 4wd V8 that I own will work easier on nearly any junk tire out there. Part-time V6 models will show more sensitivity to lesser traction tires, just fyi.

Sarge

I have an '09 with the V6. I've actually just been leaving it in the AWD mode lately as we are getting an average of around 20" of snow a week right now. As far as going to a distribution center... I wish, but the closest place one MIGHT be is Green Bay, which is around 5 hours away. I'mm surprised that you seem to like the Michelins to be honest. You are referring to https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...dewall=Blackwall&partnum=665TR7DLTX&tab=Sizes, right? Maybe I'm still not quite used to the brake feel of the 'Runner as I haven't had it for very long, but they just don't seem to want to stop or turn for me in winter conditions. Granted, I've gotten more used to their limitations, so it's not as much of an issue lately, but I would like the most performance I can manage to find with good tires. I think I'd also feel a bit better about puncture resistance with an AT over an AS as well. Again though, none of this is from a point of experience, but from reading on here and elsewhere online.

For that matter though, the other option would be to go for more/better recovery gear instead of tires since there is so much life left in the tires I have right now. That seems to be a very sharp double edged sword though.
 
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I think the model of 4Runner makes a world of difference. Mine is a '03 V8 Limited with full-time 4wd and center Torsen differential w/locking. Even with those Michelins (yes, that exact stock tire) it does quite well in the snow. It can be a problem at times on city street corners trying to turn due to the differential trying to maintain traction. The Michelins are nearly bald, and no, it is not that I like them, just surprised they bite at all.

I can tell you from experience that a full-blown AT will work better overall, but has some limitations you should understand. In deep water/heavy rains - they do very well. But, braking will not be as good due to a lack of contact and siping that other M&S tires have for overall wet pavement. A standard M&S can hydroplane much easier than the more open, deeper tread on any common AT rated tire in heavy rain and standing water. Icy conditions can be downright weird with an AT - sometimes they work awesome, other times they are really not very good. Just depends on conditions and tire pressures/tread design. I always set my tire pressures by a temperature/pressure method that usually falls between the max sidewall rating and vehicle's stock tire pressure recommendations.

If you're concerned about fuel mileage - look up the specifications of tires you are interested in and look for their rolling resistance rating. The stock Michelins are pretty low in rolling resistance - many brands of AT styles are far higher and will cost you fuel mileage. Again, tire pressure is another big factor. Those much hated Firestone AT's on my pickup are super-sensitive to pressure in relation to fuel mileage - they have to run nearly at the max sidewall rating to avoid dramatically dropping fuel mileage. If I don't run them that high, the truck loses 7mpg on an average tank despite the MDS system and 8spd trans. Otherwise, I can easily squeeze an average of 18.5-20mpg out of a 6,000+lb truck. My V8 4Runner has averaged so far around 18, not bad considering it is an older AWD model.

You really have to get used to the vehicle and how it responds to conditions. The 4Runner will have a fairly high learning curve unless you've owned body on frame solid axle 4wd trucks in the past. I grew up on those, they definitely have their quirks compared to modern vehicles but when the conditions are really bad the newer stuff can fall short in comparison. You have to learn to feel the extra weight of the full-frame design and especially the braking limitations. My '14 pickup, despite weighing a full ton more than the T4R can easily out stop it any day. It can also easily track through deep snow or ice pretty easily with the electronic traction control - up to a point. Comparing the 4Runner to the old Land Cruiser is a no-contest, that old dinosaur would run circles around it in almost any weather. Those things are tanks and in 4hi was pretty much unstoppable. Even with open diffs, it would just keep going.

If you're finding a loss of steering response in low traction conditions - turn the 4wd off - that center diff is the problem and causing the front axle to understeer. The Torsen center differential needs a certain load coming back from each corner to make it work - low traction conditions can make it fight itself and lose steering response a lot easier. In a straight line, even on ice, that system will really shine and just find the traction and go, but stopping is going to be subpar in some conditions. Again, it just takes some getting used to. Standard types of M&S tread, like the stock tires, are going to load up with snow when trying to stop - some people will be surprised by that and it's why you see so many rear-end collisions. A good, deep AT tire will not load up nearly as bad, but they can still suffer in braking performance in wet pavement conditions. Finding a balance that is perfect is not going to happen - but you can get pretty close. There will be a tradeoff in one way or another - braking, wet weather, ice/snow and such is why it's really important to look at a tire's ratings table. You just have to figure out what you can live with in terms of shortcomings - every tire has at least one in the main condtions category.

Sarge
 
once again - aside from the BFGs, the kumhos you mentioned are some of the best rated ATs out there, they can be pricey though (similar to BFG) and they do come in 255/75/17 (i have them and you can find deals on them, Amazon.)

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=ORAT

These were one of the first tires that I had looked at. What kinds of conditions have you had them in, and can you compare them to any of the previously discussed tires? I was really hoping for this thread to provide me some anecdotal evidence as to how each tire compares on this platform (In both size and performance). I suppose I failed a bit at trying to direct the conversation in that direction.
 
i only have experience with them in rainy/wet and dry conditions (snow tomorrow supposedly) and they felt pretty good in the wetness. theyre forte is snow conditions supposedly. if you cant find them for a good deal i would get the BFG ATs without question for about the same price $220ish in the size youre looking at. a lot of tires dont even come in the 255/75 or 255/80...ive heard good things about some coopers that come in the latter size. from my minimal expereicne with the kumhos (i have the LT255/75/17 6Ply version) they seem pretty kickass so far.
 
Hello all,

I am trying to figure out what to run for tires. I currently have Defender LTXs, and I really hate them in the snow. The front just pushes like MAD when there is more than 1/2" of snow on the ground. I was spoiled a bit with the Discoverer M+S that I used to have on my truck. I would buy another set of them for the runner, but I would like to have a single set of tires instead of 2. I had ripoff AT/3s on my truck and hated those too.

Use case would be heavy snow (250-300"/yr) and ice during the winter and, ideally, some trail running in the summer. Maybe some rocks, but nothing crazy. I just want to turn the runner into an adventure-mobile and would like to eventually get into some overlanding. I'm thinking/hoping 255/75 will fit with mostly stock suspension and FJ springs up front. (Suspension thread says they should with a 1/0 lift.)

Anyways, what I have found so far:

Kumho AT51 255/75-17
Cooper AT/W 255/75-17
General AT2 265/70-17

Additional Tires:

Falken Wildpeak AT3/W 255/80-17
Goodyear Duratracs 255/75-17
Toyo Open Country ATII 255/80-17
Nitto Ridge Grapplers 255/80-17

I know many people really love the KO2s, but a) I don't want to spend the cash on those with the AT2 as an option, and b) From what I can tell, they probably aren't quite as good in the snow.

I have found little bits and pieces of information on the AT51 and AT/W here and there, but nothing to really compare them. If anyone has any input, it'd really be appreciated.

How much tread do you have on the Defender LTXs?
You will find the same issue with all AT tires, okay snow/ice performance, but as soon as you're past the first 4-5/32", the sipes will disappear and snow/ice performance will blow.

On top of a softer compound (silica?!), dedicated winters have deeper treads, and sipes that remain longer. The Michelin xices' have the deepest, longest-lasting sipes.

https://vanha.tekniikanmaailma.fi/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/tm_17_2016_english.pdf

Also keep in mind that if you are indeed traveling from Texas to Alaska, tire availability should be taken into consideration. Some of the lesser known brands Nokian, maybe Falken/Kumho aren't known to be in stock everywhere.

Would suck to have an irrepairable tire go down, and have to replace 2-4 others (+spare) because you can't find an exact tire in stock.
 
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How much tread do you have on the Defender LTXs?
You will find the same issue with all AT tires, okay snow/ice performance, but as soon as you're past the first 4-5/32", the sipes will disappear and snow/ice performance will blow.

On top of a softer compound (silica?!), dedicated winters have deeper treads, and sipes that remain longer. The Michelin xices' have the deepest, longest-lasting sipes.

https://vanha.tekniikanmaailma.fi/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/tm_17_2016_english.pdf

Also keep in mind that if you are indeed traveling from Texas to Alaska, tire availability should be taken into consideration. Some of the lesser known brands Nokian, maybe Falken/Kumho aren't known to be in stock everywhere.

Would suck to have an irrepairable tire go down, and have to replace 2-4 others (+spare) because you can't find an exact tire in stock.

The Defenders still have quite a lot of tread left. Nowhere near the wear bars, and still lots of siping. Most/all of the AT tires I am looking at have a treadwear rating in the 540-640 range compared to the Defenders at 800, so they should all have a softer compound. If I could run just winter tires, I'd go Cooper Discoverer M+S, as I have run those before and love them. However, the tread is SO soft on them (being a winter tire) that I can't use them year 'round. I understand the core mechanics of tires pretty well. What I don't necessarily understand is different patterns and their effects on performance.

As far as finding a more common tire, good point. While I may not literally be driving Texas to Alaska on a regular basis, I will be seeing all of the conditions involved in that trip on a regular basis and will actually likely be doing an Alaska trip at some point in the near-ish future.
 
i only have experience with them in rainy/wet and dry conditions (snow tomorrow supposedly) and they felt pretty good in the wetness. theyre forte is snow conditions supposedly. if you cant find them for a good deal i would get the BFG ATs without question for about the same price $220ish in the size youre looking at. a lot of tires dont even come in the 255/75 or 255/80...ive heard good things about some coopers that come in the latter size. from my minimal expereicne with the kumhos (i have the LT255/75/17 6Ply version) they seem pretty kickass so far.

I'm not sure where you are getting your pricing, but the Kumhos are MUCH cheaper than the BFGs on TireRack and other sources. I was looking at the Cooper AT3/W and sort of at the AT3/4S, but the Ws don't have much in the way of tread depth, and I'd be concerned they'll pack up with whatever surface I am on if it's not smooth and hard-ish. I know next to nothing about the 4S at this point, I just know that I didn't like the Mastercraft version of the older AT3s at all.
 
The reason I mention the Toyo despite its cost over other brands is flat-out quality. They make the most balanced, round tires on the market - as good or even better than Michelin. In 17" sizes, the runout, of course, won't be as important as say 20" and larger wheels - trying to balance the 20" Firestones on my Dodge Ram 1500 has been an exercise in futility. But, that difference in quality also translates to treadwear and overall belt life. I traded off my Tacoma with 25,000 miles on a set of Toyo ATII's - still showing 90% tread depth. Other than the usual rotation at 10,000 miles we never touched them and they ran dead smooth over 100mph easily. The Firestones on my Dodge have only 10,000 miles and are down to 60% already - pretty pathetic if you ask me.

The two tires I've had the best overall luck with were Toyo and the Yokohama ATS. I had the ATS set on a '07 Dodge Dakota - those tires were like magic on snow and ice, kept the truck planted dead on the road and had zero noise. Very low tread wear as well. The Toyo Open Country MT's that were still on the old '77 FJ40 I just sold last fall had almost 30,000 miles on them, almost all highway and showed almost no signs of wear. Pure animal in the snow - that truck would push through drifts up to the windshield easily. Despite the tread design, they were also very quiet for a full-blown Mud Terrain. On today's market, unless you're doing nothing but hard-core wheeling - most AT's made now are nearly as good and in some cases - better.

I do see a lot of the Cooper and Falken ATs on trucks around here. Even on half tons - the one constant I see is a lot of cupping on both of those brands. It seems to be almost as bad as Firestone and Goodyear - both of which I consider overpriced for their lack of quality. Another reason I prefer Toyo is you can get sets made in Japan and there is a serious difference in Japanese tire quality versus Taiwan or even the US. The Japan made set on that Tacoma required nearly zero weights to balance them - that weight was to mostly correct the stock cast aluminum wheels since we checked those alone before mounting. My tire guy is excellent at his craft - still says he's never seen a set of tires made that well since.

For the price difference, I'm still pissed about buying the Firestones for the Dodge versus just biting the bullet and getting a set of Toyos - I'll end probably dumping those Firestones this summer and replace them. Sick of that truck shaking at certain speeds and don't want the problems with steering rack wear that such crappy tires can create. Live and learn, I guess.

Just some thoughts -

Sarge

I am going to be buying another set of Toyos here soon to get a bigger tire size do you know how to get the Japanese made ones?
 
I've run AT2 and BFs. Both good tire. KO2 better on wet pavement. equal in the snow. cant go wrong with either but you have to decide if the BFs are worth the extra $$$
 

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