Ball Joints

My only possible explanation: misprint in the 2002 FSM.

If anyone has a 2001 FSM, I'd love to know what the torque reading states for the LBJs. I have a 99 and have seen a 2000, both say 59ft/lbs.
 
I'm no torque specialist, but 59 felt pretty right to me. didn't feel like I was over-torquing. I've been riding on the old bolts but am getting new one's tomorrow. I'll try to remember to ask them for the 99 torque specs (and if there's a difference for 2wd and 4wd)
and post them here.
 
bolantej said:
I'm no torque specialist, but 59 felt pretty right to me. didn't feel like I was over-torquing. I've been riding on the old bolts but am getting new one's tomorrow. I'll try to remember to ask them for the 99 torque specs (and if there's a difference for 2wd and 4wd)
and post them here.
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This is some good info. I would have torqued to 37 ft/lbs per the online FSM and hopefully this will help others following this thread not to under torque these bolts if 59 ft/lbs is correct
 
surely you could torque them to 59 ft/lbs that's not that tight. this is rocket science. what grade is that bolt. theres a list of the grades in the FSM that tells you recommended torque for the certain type of bolt. . .
 
Per the parts guy at Elk Grove Toyota: 59 ft/lbs for both 2WD and 4WD (for those that were concerned with differences between the two.)
 
bolantej said:
Per the parts guy at Elk Grove Toyota: 59 ft/lbs for both 2WD and 4WD (for those that were concerned with differences between the two.)
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Pikeman had those bolts shear off and it was speculated that over torqueing was possibly but not assuredly the culprit. Thanks for confirming that info.
 
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FYI - I did a bit more research to get the correct part #'s for installing Tacoma LBJs and OTREs on their T4R. Here they are:

Left hand side OTRE - 45047-39175; description on the site is "Steering - Steering gear & linkage - Outer tie rod; Outer tie rod, tacoma, 4wd, left - power rack and pinion 1995 - 2004" (It's the one under "Mechanical" when you do the search)

Right hand side OTRE - 45046-39295; description on the site is "Steering - Steering gear & linkage - Outer tie rod; Outer tie rod, tacoma, 4wd, right - power rack and pinion 1995 - 2004" (Also under "Mechanical")

Left ball joint - OLD part # is 43340-39286; NEW part # is 4334039585 - description on the site is "Front suspension - Lower control arm - Lower ball joint; Lower ball joint, tacoma, right - 4wd coil spring 1995 - 2000"

Right ball joint - OLD part # is 43330-39366; NEW part # is 43330-39815 - description on the site is "Front suspension - Lower control arm - Lower ball joint; Lower ball joint, tacoma, left - 4wd coil spring 1995 - 2000."

I'd advise anyone to run this info on ToyotaPartSales.com (and maybe Toyodiy.com) to double check this, of course; but I believe this is all the correct information. :)
 
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Kung said:
FYI - I did a bit more research to get the correct part #'s for installing Tacoma LBJs and OTREs on their T4R. Here they are:

Left hand side OTRE - 45047-39175; description on the site is "Steering - Steering gear & linkage - Outer tie rod; Outer tie rod, tacoma, 4wd, left - power rack and pinion 1995 - 2004" (It's the one under "Mechanical" when you do the search)

Right hand side OTRE - 45046-39295; description on the site is "Steering - Steering gear & linkage - Outer tie rod; Outer tie rod, tacoma, 4wd, right - power rack and pinion 1995 - 2004" (Also under "Mechanical")

Left ball joint - OLD part # is 43340-39286; NEW part # is 4334039585 - description on the site is "Front suspension - Lower control arm - Lower ball joint; Lower ball joint, tacoma, right - 4wd coil spring 1995 - 2000"

Right ball joint - OLD part # is 43330-39366; NEW part # is 43340-39585 - description on the site is "Front suspension - Lower control arm - Lower ball joint; Lower ball joint, tacoma, left - 4wd coil spring 1995 - 2000."

I'd advise anyone to run this info on ToyotaPartSales.com (and maybe Toyodiy.com) to double check this, of course; but I believe this is all the correct information. :)
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I highlighted two numbers above.
These should be different numbers, correct?
 
Correct, F_T - I've corrected my post above to reflect the correction. Thanks for double checking. :)
 
I'd definitely recommend it; not sure how they perform wheeling, but others have done this and have gone offroad with them. I can't imagine it'd be bad or worse than the stock T4R OTREs/LBJs.
 
Kung said:
I'd definitely recommend it; not sure how they perform wheeling, but others have done this and have gone offroad with them. I can't imagine it'd be bad or worse than the stock T4R OTREs/LBJs.
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kung you said the bolts came with the lbjs correct? also, did you have the dealership install this or another mechanic? im just wondering what they would say if you ordered tacoma parts and asked them to install it on your 4runner?
 
clin9383 said:
kung you said the bolts came with the lbjs correct? also, did you have the dealership install this or another mechanic? im just wondering what they would say if you ordered tacoma parts and asked them to install it on your 4runner?
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Yes, the bolts did indeed come with the LBJs. Originally I'd said they didn't; but my dumb self just didn't move enough foam peanuts around in the box. :p

As far as installation goes, I had an independent mechanic (actually the guys in the 'hobby shop' on Fort Leonard Wood - they're ASE certified mechanics, and they only charge like $40/hour) do it. I'm not afraid at all of getting hands-on with my vehicle (will most likely be installing the lift myself, with a buddy, when that time comes), but it was a time-based thing - I had like a week before a 1000-mile (one-way) trip, and a TON of stuff to do, and I needed it done now.

I did talk to the local dealership, and they basically said "Long as it's Toyota parts." They held up the parts next to each other and agreed that it probably made sense to replace them if one wanted to ensure they held up over time.

Of course, for every copacetic dealership you can find one that thinks I'm the dumbest thing in the world for swapping T4R parts with Taco parts. LOL
 
guys I really thank you all for how specific and detailed the discussion has gotten.

Here's my questions and suggestion:

Q: My drivers side inner tie rod has too much play in it. Dealership and alignment shop both agree on this- and I can feel shimmy at highway speeds once again. Is there any reason to consider a Tacoma application for this piece? The dealership is saying replace both sides, does that seem reasonable? (The passenger side inner tie rod was done about 3 years back)

S: Could anyone add a diagram to plug into this thread so everyone can follow along a bit better which parts are being discussed and have a visual reference?

well I guess that was actually 3 questions....
 
Ron Helmuth said:
guys I really thank you all for how specific and detailed the discussion has gotten.

Here's my questions and suggestion:

Q: My drivers side inner tie rod has too much play in it. Dealership and alignment shop both agree on this- and I can feel shimmy at highway speeds once again. Is there any reason to consider a Tacoma application for this piece? The dealership is saying replace both sides, does that seem reasonable? (The passenger side inner tie rod was done about 3 years back)

S: Could anyone add a diagram to plug into this thread so everyone can follow along a bit better which parts are being discussed and have a visual reference?

well I guess that was actually 3 questions....
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The inner tire rods are the same between 4runner and Tacoma.

What diagram are you referring to?

If the passenger side was just done, just do the drivers side.
 
This is great to know.

A couple of questions (did I miss something)
Do the Taco Upper Ball Joints work on our 4runners?
Or are they the same?
 
Gerdo said:
This is great to know.

A couple of questions (did I miss something)
Do the Taco Upper Ball Joints work on our 4runners?
Or are they the same?
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Taco Ball joints will work.

4runner Taco, Tundra and Sequoia all use the same Upper ball joint.
 
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