Beadlocks on 4th Gen?

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6wheelin

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Obviously this question is only for 4th gen runners

Okay so I've looked around and there are very few beadlocks in 16's and fewer in steel. I already purchased new tires for 16's hence my reluctance to move to 17's. In the end it might make sense to wear the tires out and then move to 17's

Anyone running 16" beadlocks? I realize I could go with a steel wheel and have a steel beadlock ring welded on. Or I could spend upwards of $400 a wheel for something like this:

TR Aluminum Beadlock

Another question despite the size many beadlocks come with the disclaimer "For off road use only" I'm assuming this is a manufacturer liability warning. Once you have them you take the risk, though some disclaimers also mention max psi of 25# so I figure these are really meant for off highway/ road use.

Any constructive thoughts/ wisdom is appreciated.

~Hugh
 
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The first question that comes to mind is why do you need bead lock wheels?
They're made to run with tires aired waay down to maybe 10 psi, which is what you do for serious offroading like rockcrawling.

Do you frequently air down like that?
 
fourwd1 said:
The first question that comes to mind is why do you need bead lock wheels?
They're made to run with tires aired waay down to maybe 10 psi, which is what you do for serious offroading like rockcrawling.

Do you frequently air down like that?
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I would have said like 5 psi. You could get 12-15psi with standard wheels from what I have done, slow crawling.

If you need lower than that and you can live with the heavy wheels and you have the $ and the durable sidewalls and can deal with removing 24 bolts per wheel times 5 wheels then by all means.
 
Inv4drZm said:
I would have said like 5 psi. You could get 12-15psi with standard wheels from what I have done, slow crawling.



If you need lower than that and you can live with the heavy wheels and you have the $ and the durable sidewalls and can deal with removing 24 bolts per wheel times 5 wheels then by all means.
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Yeah beadlocks definitely get you sub 10 psi measures. I air down to 10-12 psi consistently on my Falkens and steelies. To get a good true beadlock you’ll have to hash out the cash for em. I’m looking into ATX Slabs which are around $400-$500 each.


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fourwd1 said:
The first question that comes to mind is why do you need bead lock wheels?
They're made to run with tires aired waay down to maybe 10 psi, which is what you do for serious offroading like rockcrawling.

Do you frequently air down like that?
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That's an excellent question. On a recent trip to Death Valley I ran 15psi up front and 18psi in the rear running Goodyear Wrangler MTR Kevlars, on one of the rear tires I lost a number of lugs; literally sliced off like butter with a butter knife. My assumption (and this may be a flaw in logic) is that had I had lower pressure like in the 12psi arena the rubber would have wrapped around the rock rather than slicing it. Correct me if I'm wrong but lower pressure elevates your traction.

I can't claim to be a rock crawler which I am not at this point. But the more I do this the more I want to push the boundaries of mind and machine.
 
AuSeeker said:
They list 16", are you saying you tried to order them and they said they're no longer available?

Raceline | RT-51 Black Daytona Beadlock Wheels

"Raceline RT-51 Black Daytona Beadlock Wheel, 16x8, 6x5.5 Pattern (RT5168060) Weight: 34.0000 lbs"
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There's an inconsistency between a search that showed Low Range had the RT51 in 16x8 with the 6x 5.5 bolt pattern and a search on Raceline's website that only lists 15's & 17's so I'm presuming the Low Range may be either old stock or they haven't cleared it from their inventory. I plan on calling them Monday and ask.
 
6wheelin said:
That's an excellent question. On a recent trip to Death Valley I ran 15psi up front and 18psi in the rear running Goodyear Wrangler MTR Kevlars, on one of the rear tires I lost a number of lugs; literally sliced off like butter with a butter knife. My assumption (and this may be a flaw in logic) is that had I had lower pressure like in the 12psi arena the rubber would have wrapped around the rock rather than slicing it. Correct me if I'm wrong but lower pressure elevates your traction.

I can't claim to be a rock crawler which I am not at this point. But the more I do this the more I want to push the boundaries of mind and machine.
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wtf were you doing in DV that had you slicing lugs off? I ran 18 psi back in November for 4 days, on KM2s, and didn't lose a single lug.
 
6wheelin said:
That's an excellent question. On a recent trip to Death Valley I ran 15psi up front and 18psi in the rear running Goodyear Wrangler MTR Kevlars, on one of the rear tires I lost a number of lugs; literally sliced off like butter with a butter knife. My assumption (and this may be a flaw in logic) is that had I had lower pressure like in the 12psi arena the rubber would have wrapped around the rock rather than slicing it. Correct me if I'm wrong but lower pressure elevates your traction.

I can't claim to be a rock crawler which I am not at this point. But the more I do this the more I want to push the boundaries of mind and machine.
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I would have guessed the lower the pressure the more the tire flexes over rocks therefore a higher chance of slicing lugs. I don't really know for sure.
 
Drunner97 said:
wtf were you doing in DV that had you slicing lugs off? I ran 18 psi back in November for 4 days, on KM2s, and didn't lose a single lug.
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Lol. Here was my route. Pleasant Canyon loop (Chicken rock) then Goler/Mengal Pass to Butte Valley. Butte Valley by way of Warm Springs Rd ( this looked like a tire shredder rd to me.) to Furnace Creek for Fuel (this is where I noticed the damage so it could have been from Pleasant, Goler/Mengal or Warm Springs Rd?) FC to Eureka Valley up Decakara Canyon and Steele Pass into Saline Valley. Then to Lippincott Mine Rd and South pass back to Olancha.

So sliced off lugs is a bit of an exaggeration. Here's a couple pics. Just sliced. But these are brand new tires so I was a bit bummed. Anyway, not sure how low I really need to go? Not making a rush decision until I wear these shoes a bit more.
 

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6wheelin said:
Lol. Here was my route. Pleasant Canyon loop (Chicken rock) then Goler/Mengal Pass to Butte Valley. Butte Valley by way of Warm Springs Rd ( this looked like a tire shredder rd to me.) to Furnace Creek for Fuel (this is where I noticed the damage so it could have been from Pleasant, Goler/Mengal or Warm Springs Rd?) FC to Eureka Valley up Decakara Canyon and Steele Pass into Saline Valley. Then to Lippincott Mine Rd and South pass back to Olancha.

So sliced off lugs is a bit of an exaggeration. Here's a couple pics. Just sliced. But these are brand new tires so I was a bit bummed. Anyway, not sure how low I really need to go? Not making a rush decision until I wear these shoes a bit more.
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We camped at Geology for 3 days in November and ran Warm Springs in/out a couple times. Year before we did Mengal 3x in one day between trying to score the Geology Cabin and then trying to score some booze in Ballarat. haha. You might just be spinning your tires too much going up the passes. It's hard to say. Some trips I feel like I picked up more damage than others on the tires. I actually dented a wheel so bad that I broke the bead, but the tire itself was fine. I've heard the MTRs are pretty soft though.
 
Drunner97 said:
We camped at Geology for 3 days in November and ran Warm Springs in/out a couple times. Year before we did Mengal 3x in one day between trying to score the Geology Cabin and then trying to score some booze in Ballarat. haha. You might just be spinning your tires too much going up the passes. It's hard to say. Some trips I feel like I picked up more damage than others on the tires. I actually dented a wheel so bad that I broke the bead, but the tire itself was fine. I've heard the MTRs are pretty soft though.
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I love Death Valley. Sounds like you've had some great times out there.

I think any travel in Death Valley is abusive to our rigs, which we go into with eyes wide open. Yeah the Goodyear MTR's are definitely a soft compound, yet another compromise. Not sure I'll use them again? I'm heading back in April so we'll see how they look after that trip.

Booze in Ballarat? I didn't notice them selling that? Maps maybe. I guess you need to give the caretaker a wink and slip him some green.
 
6wheelin said:
I love Death Valley. Sounds like you've had some great times out there.

I think any travel in Death Valley is abusive to our rigs, which we go into with eyes wide open. Yeah the Goodyear MTR's are definitely a soft compound, yet another compromise. Not sure I'll use them again? I'm heading back in April so we'll see how they look after that trip.

Booze in Ballarat? I didn't notice them selling that? Maps maybe. I guess you need to give the caretaker a wink and slip him some green.
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We've done Thanksgiving two years in a row now. The first year we deep fried a turkey at the cabin. Haha. I've heard rumors of booze in Ballarat, skunked two years in a row though. First year he was closed down by the time we got there, second year (Nov 2017) I slipped on a hill and dislocated my elbow. Cut the trip 2 days short as I had to drive 5 hours home to drop off my son with my mom before heading to the hospital. Hahaha.

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Drunner97 said:
We've done Thanksgiving two years in a row now. The first year we deep fried a turkey at the cabin. Haha. I've heard rumors of booze in Ballarat, skunked two years in a row though. First year he was closed down by the time we got there, second year (Nov 2017) I slipped on a hill and dislocated my elbow. Cut the trip 2 days short as I had to drive 5 hours home to drop off my son with my mom before heading to the hospital. Hahaha.

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I suppose the booze woulda helped with the dislocated elbow ;)

Looking at your signature I notice your rolling on 35's with Icon 2.5" up front and 2.0 rear which stage kit is that? Did you install a Body lift? What are these springs MT 3" Heavy rear coil? I mean I understand what heavy duty means. What is the MT and what is the spring rate? What did you have to do to get them to fit? Rear link extenders, rear axle moved back? Are they true 35's? or a 34? If you want to respond privately that's cool.

Thanks,

~Hugh
 
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