BFG All-Terrain T/A KO2 went on sale today
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Switched the Duelers out after 750 miles. Rec'd $65 per tire trade in from Discount Tire. First they offered me $50. I walked out and called later and asked for $75. They countered at $65. I was good with that.
Love the new BFG K02's. Minimal noise and the ride is awesome on gravel. Ordered a Bajarack flat utility rack w/o the sunroof cutout. Ships out on the 20th. Their customer service is outstanding.
Can't go wrong with the new BFG's. Cost was $205 each minus the discount.
I love these tires. Went over some crazy rocky stuff up in the Colorado mountains around old mining roads and they performed awesomely. They'll probably be my go-to tire at this point, barring some unforeseen problem with them in the future. I also get lots of compliments on them. 
Muddy Duck
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Absolutely love my 275/70r17 KO2's. I've got about 5k miles on them and have been very impressed. They're quiet on the highway and have blown me away on the trail. This past weekend at Uwharrie they pulled me through a couple hill climbs that I thought would be impossible without lockers. Between the tires (at 25 psi) and A-TRAC, she was a beast. I had a whole line of Jeepers standing in awe of her.
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Storm Runner
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Switched the Duelers out after 750 miles. Rec'd $65 per tire trade in from Discount Tire. First they offered me $50. I walked out and called later and asked for $75. They countered at $65. I was good with that.
Love the new BFG K02's. Minimal noise and the ride is awesome on gravel. Ordered a Bajarack flat utility rack w/o the sunroof cutout. Ships out on the 20th. Their customer service is outstanding.
Can't go wrong with the new BFG's. Cost was $205 each minus the discount.
Are those stock size? They look bigger.
lifewith4boys
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265/70R17 BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2
Just sold my 2012 Highlander Limited and bought a 2011 4Runner Limited. First thing is to swap out the skinny 20's for with new 17" AR893's with 265/70R17 BFG T/A KO2, load C. Tires were $200 each before rebate. Not bad. They will arrive in a week or so! Can't wait!
The KO2's are heavier, but the rims should be a bit less. Diameter should be very close to the same, but I'll feel a whole lot more comfortable taking her off road.
Just sold my 2012 Highlander Limited and bought a 2011 4Runner Limited. First thing is to swap out the skinny 20's for with new 17" AR893's with 265/70R17 BFG T/A KO2, load C. Tires were $200 each before rebate. Not bad. They will arrive in a week or so! Can't wait!
The KO2's are heavier, but the rims should be a bit less. Diameter should be very close to the same, but I'll feel a whole lot more comfortable taking her off road.
sleazy_4runner
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Pep boys doing 15% off for black friday "rollout15" code..
I got America's tire to match 15% $170 each 275/70r17.
I got America's tire to match 15% $170 each 275/70r17.
Hi guys. I just got KO2s 265 75 16's on my Jeep Wrangler. Had been reading this thread and many others around the net. It was agonizing going between Duratracs or KO2s as those were the best choices for the size I needed.
I wanted to comment on some stuff I read and all the research I came up with. and get some feedback as well. I've been so torn between Duratrac because of it's light weight- C load, 45 lbs. Vs. the KO2 which only comes in E as we know. It's 53 lbs.
I read about weight at the wheels is so bad, 10 lbs. in the vehicle for every 1 lb. at the wheels. ughhh.
My jeep came with 245 MTRs, 50 lbs. So not a drastic diff as what you guys are swapping to. I looked up the tires that come on the tacos and they're mild compared to the tread of the KO2s, and I believe that's a big part of the MPG hit. More than the weight. There's more traction/friction/rolling resistance. The engine will have to work harder. Pay to play, I guess.
The weight surely factors in but this article is the reason I wanted to post/get feedback from you. In this Power And Performance From Weight Loss - Jp Magazine comparison they purposely go for extreme weight difference. 28 lbs. more EACH TIRE. I was shocked, no SHOCKED that the result was .63 difference in mpg.
28 lbs. X 4 is 112 lbs. difference on the wheels! If it's x 10 in the vehicle. So that's 1120 lbs.! and that's all the difference was? Seems incredible to me.
From all the reviews, I think the Duratrac is such a grippy tire, it creates a lot of traction and that hurts mpg a ton, so that might be countering the improvement that could be had with a light weight.. The tread really matters. I hope you don't mind me joining up here, as I'm not driving or familar with your vehicles. I don't think the C vs. E load and weight difference matters all that much.
comments?
I wanted to comment on some stuff I read and all the research I came up with. and get some feedback as well. I've been so torn between Duratrac because of it's light weight- C load, 45 lbs. Vs. the KO2 which only comes in E as we know. It's 53 lbs.
I read about weight at the wheels is so bad, 10 lbs. in the vehicle for every 1 lb. at the wheels. ughhh.
My jeep came with 245 MTRs, 50 lbs. So not a drastic diff as what you guys are swapping to. I looked up the tires that come on the tacos and they're mild compared to the tread of the KO2s, and I believe that's a big part of the MPG hit. More than the weight. There's more traction/friction/rolling resistance. The engine will have to work harder. Pay to play, I guess.
The weight surely factors in but this article is the reason I wanted to post/get feedback from you. In this Power And Performance From Weight Loss - Jp Magazine comparison they purposely go for extreme weight difference. 28 lbs. more EACH TIRE. I was shocked, no SHOCKED that the result was .63 difference in mpg.
28 lbs. X 4 is 112 lbs. difference on the wheels! If it's x 10 in the vehicle. So that's 1120 lbs.! and that's all the difference was? Seems incredible to me.
From all the reviews, I think the Duratrac is such a grippy tire, it creates a lot of traction and that hurts mpg a ton, so that might be countering the improvement that could be had with a light weight.. The tread really matters. I hope you don't mind me joining up here, as I'm not driving or familar with your vehicles. I don't think the C vs. E load and weight difference matters all that much.
comments?
Friggin Idiot
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As promised here's the report after about 6 weeks and 5500 miles....
275/70R17 E Load
88% interstate & highway driving (4 lane divided, 55mph+)
10% city roads/commercial areas
2% all the rest, light off-road: gravel/dirt trails, heavily degraded asphalt, open fields (mowed and not)
Notes
One tire out of round (but still in spec) was replaced for a vibration issue
A different tire was also replaced (wouldn't stay balanced)
DiscountTire beat all other prices @$205/tire (+install, road hzd) before 10% discount & $100 rebate card, they completely owned the balance/vibration problem until I was satisfied too
MPG loss over stock 265 Duelers: 1.0-1.2 hwy@<75mph
First 4000 mi at 40 psi, Last 1500 mi at 37 psi
Comparison Dueler's were factory took delivery with 13mi, removed 29990 mi.
Ride quality
40psi - noticeably harsher than stock, but not unexpected. 40psi is rating for the 4Runner's max vehicle gross weight, hence driving with just driver (230lbs), ~60lbs of gear in cargo and 1/2 tank of fuel was too rough. Felt almost every bump and imperfection in the road, small imperfections were easily ignored, but any decent bump had me feeling like I was getting airborne!
37psi - offers a much smoother ride appropriate to my normal driving weight over rough road, almost a Caddy smooth ride on fresh asphalt! Small bumps disappeared and larger bumps are still felt, but without that helpless airborne feeling. Noticeable sidewall sag under cargo hauling load, not as apparent with no cargo and 4 avg adults.
See my other post in the LT Tire Pressure thread, Bridgestone publishes different load carrying capacity for the same psi on 265 and 275 tires. I don't see why it would be different for BFG.
Road noise was slightly higher and only initially noticeable over stock tires. Best way to describe it is a soft whirring sound and to hear it I had to turn off the radio and A/C and roll the windows down. Certainly not enough to require turning up the radio, speaking louder, or anything else of the sort.
Factory Dueler's had a horrible tendency to squeal on smooth or hot asphalt, even if going an appropriate speed. None of that with the KO2 at either psi.
Traction
Overall traction, handling, and stopping distances all better than stock
I did stop test from 40mph full braking on same 1/4mi of road near the house having not had rain in a week. Repeated test in damp conditions (wet road, active drizzle)
Stock tires chirped/squealed and ABS kicked in with avg 3+ pulses
KO2's (40psi) had no chirp but heard drag and gripping a little, only 2 ABS pulses
Wet performance was appropriately similar with KO2's easily coming out ahead for both control and stopping distance.
Cornering roll and braking nose dive are noticeably reduced, more at higher psi than lower (stiffer sidewall)
Better contact patch and grip at 37psi over 40psi, hence better traction.
Dry pavement - good traction, you have to try to break these loose
Wet weather - can get a little spin on wet paint markings or right when it starts to rain and floats the oil on the road, but otherwise impressive. I have no issues taking mountain corners at above posted speeds in the rain. In everything from mist to heavy rain these just don't leave the road, I have yet to experience hydroplaning, even loaded lightly and going 80mph (not recommended by your local police officer, oops!).
Light off-road - never a problem, but I haven't tried to get stuck. Did do significantly better climbing grade on wet grass or soft earth than Duelers, maintained better steering control and forward momentum.
Snow/Ice - not yet encountered, look for more information in spring time
Tracking is improved as well. Duelers tended to wander or drift strongly to one side if the road wasn't level. KO2's track straighter with very little if any drift with hands off the wheel. I attribute this to the stronger gyroscopic force associated with all that extra weight of the tire spinning around.
Overall personal conclusions
The KO2 tire seems well suited to the needs both on & off road of most 4Runner drivers. I assume this translates to winter weather as I have yet to encounter any (just jinxed myself). Of course no all-terrain will evenly compete with a real winter tire, but I expect it to do quite well.
There are other options out there, but the factory Dueler's shouldn't be one of them. I am interested to see how this compares with the new Falken Wildpeak A/T3W, which looks like a cross between a KO/Grabber and the Open Country II/ATM RF10
The 275 size is more visually appealing along with having a slightly wider tire. The only drawback to the 275 size is the added weight (+9.7lbs/tire) over the C load option for 265's which is probably a better choice for most driving. E load to E load is only 2lbs apart which is about like not having taken your morning BM before you drive (not quite but you get the picture).
I'm very happy with these tires, and have no regrets about the tires, nor purchase experience (DiscountTire really has done well). Admittedly I wish we didn't have to go through 2000 miles of finding vibration/balancing issues, but that could happen to anyone and any tire. I tend to be a magnet for trouble/malfunctions, so it's no surprise that 2/4 new tires went for replacement even though they were in spec. I expect most others won't ever experience trouble with one let alone two tires.
275/70R17 E Load
88% interstate & highway driving (4 lane divided, 55mph+)
10% city roads/commercial areas
2% all the rest, light off-road: gravel/dirt trails, heavily degraded asphalt, open fields (mowed and not)
Notes
One tire out of round (but still in spec) was replaced for a vibration issue
A different tire was also replaced (wouldn't stay balanced)
DiscountTire beat all other prices @$205/tire (+install, road hzd) before 10% discount & $100 rebate card, they completely owned the balance/vibration problem until I was satisfied too
MPG loss over stock 265 Duelers: 1.0-1.2 hwy@<75mph
First 4000 mi at 40 psi, Last 1500 mi at 37 psi
Comparison Dueler's were factory took delivery with 13mi, removed 29990 mi.
Ride quality
40psi - noticeably harsher than stock, but not unexpected. 40psi is rating for the 4Runner's max vehicle gross weight, hence driving with just driver (230lbs), ~60lbs of gear in cargo and 1/2 tank of fuel was too rough. Felt almost every bump and imperfection in the road, small imperfections were easily ignored, but any decent bump had me feeling like I was getting airborne!
37psi - offers a much smoother ride appropriate to my normal driving weight over rough road, almost a Caddy smooth ride on fresh asphalt! Small bumps disappeared and larger bumps are still felt, but without that helpless airborne feeling. Noticeable sidewall sag under cargo hauling load, not as apparent with no cargo and 4 avg adults.
See my other post in the LT Tire Pressure thread, Bridgestone publishes different load carrying capacity for the same psi on 265 and 275 tires. I don't see why it would be different for BFG.
Road noise was slightly higher and only initially noticeable over stock tires. Best way to describe it is a soft whirring sound and to hear it I had to turn off the radio and A/C and roll the windows down. Certainly not enough to require turning up the radio, speaking louder, or anything else of the sort.
Factory Dueler's had a horrible tendency to squeal on smooth or hot asphalt, even if going an appropriate speed. None of that with the KO2 at either psi.
Traction
Overall traction, handling, and stopping distances all better than stock
I did stop test from 40mph full braking on same 1/4mi of road near the house having not had rain in a week. Repeated test in damp conditions (wet road, active drizzle)
Stock tires chirped/squealed and ABS kicked in with avg 3+ pulses
KO2's (40psi) had no chirp but heard drag and gripping a little, only 2 ABS pulses
Wet performance was appropriately similar with KO2's easily coming out ahead for both control and stopping distance.
Cornering roll and braking nose dive are noticeably reduced, more at higher psi than lower (stiffer sidewall)
Better contact patch and grip at 37psi over 40psi, hence better traction.
Dry pavement - good traction, you have to try to break these loose
Wet weather - can get a little spin on wet paint markings or right when it starts to rain and floats the oil on the road, but otherwise impressive. I have no issues taking mountain corners at above posted speeds in the rain. In everything from mist to heavy rain these just don't leave the road, I have yet to experience hydroplaning, even loaded lightly and going 80mph (not recommended by your local police officer, oops!).
Light off-road - never a problem, but I haven't tried to get stuck. Did do significantly better climbing grade on wet grass or soft earth than Duelers, maintained better steering control and forward momentum.
Snow/Ice - not yet encountered, look for more information in spring time
Tracking is improved as well. Duelers tended to wander or drift strongly to one side if the road wasn't level. KO2's track straighter with very little if any drift with hands off the wheel. I attribute this to the stronger gyroscopic force associated with all that extra weight of the tire spinning around.
Overall personal conclusions
The KO2 tire seems well suited to the needs both on & off road of most 4Runner drivers. I assume this translates to winter weather as I have yet to encounter any (just jinxed myself). Of course no all-terrain will evenly compete with a real winter tire, but I expect it to do quite well.
There are other options out there, but the factory Dueler's shouldn't be one of them. I am interested to see how this compares with the new Falken Wildpeak A/T3W, which looks like a cross between a KO/Grabber and the Open Country II/ATM RF10
The 275 size is more visually appealing along with having a slightly wider tire. The only drawback to the 275 size is the added weight (+9.7lbs/tire) over the C load option for 265's which is probably a better choice for most driving. E load to E load is only 2lbs apart which is about like not having taken your morning BM before you drive (not quite but you get the picture).
I'm very happy with these tires, and have no regrets about the tires, nor purchase experience (DiscountTire really has done well). Admittedly I wish we didn't have to go through 2000 miles of finding vibration/balancing issues, but that could happen to anyone and any tire. I tend to be a magnet for trouble/malfunctions, so it's no surprise that 2/4 new tires went for replacement even though they were in spec. I expect most others won't ever experience trouble with one let alone two tires.
Thanks for the great review. I've got the 275s now, but strongly considering stepping down to the 265s to salvage my city mileage (getting 13-14 per the dash gauge). Lots of hills around here. Interesting on your stopping distance test. My seat-of-the-pants judgement is that stopping feels longer than stock, which I assumed was due to all the extra rubber on the outside diameter of the tire.
JB.
New member
Not trying to sound unduly contrary, but the above epitomizes why I pay little attention to any subjective tire evaluations.
The conceptual difference in magnitude painted by the language characterizations -- "harsh, felt almost every road imperfection, feeling of getting airborne" compared to
"Caddy smooth, small bumps disappeared, not getting airborne" is massively greater than the small, real world effects of an 8% pressure reduction.
Under general driving impression testing, I'd be willing to bet that many or even most people would be unable to reliably tell the difference between the two pressures.
I applaud your willingness to test, though. I found the stopping tests compared to OEM tires interesting.
Friggin Idiot
Senior Member
I'm not trying to start a flame war. I welcome all criticisms, however, please ensure you are reading in context. I do exaggerate some to provide a better description of the feeling. I expect that it would be understood a harsh bump isn't quite the same as jumping a gulley.
Caddy smooth was only on fresh asphalt. The factory Duelers were almost as smooth, although noticeably more bouncy house feeling.
Felt almost every imperfection but small bumps were easily ignored. If you're trying to feel every bump in the road you're going to feel more than if you're just driving along listening to the radio.
Airborne over large bumps, there's a difference between feeling like you've done a Luke/Bo Duke jumping a gulley, or just bounced over a possum. (I left the gulley part out previously because I thought the airborne description would have been sufficient to describe the experience.)
4Goer
New member
I apologize if this has been addressed, but I could not find a specific answer in my search of all the threads.
I want to put BFG All-Terrain T/A KO2s (LT265/70R17/C 112 S) on my 2016 SR5 4Runner, but both Canadian Tire and Costco tell me that the truck is too heavy for these tires. I don't really want to go to the E's as it sounds like the ride will be more harsh. I see so many people running the C's on their vehicles in this forum, so what am I missing?
Costco did say that the tires could be inflated to 49 PSI, instead of 35 PSI to compensate.
Is there a safety risk?
I want to put BFG All-Terrain T/A KO2s (LT265/70R17/C 112 S) on my 2016 SR5 4Runner, but both Canadian Tire and Costco tell me that the truck is too heavy for these tires. I don't really want to go to the E's as it sounds like the ride will be more harsh. I see so many people running the C's on their vehicles in this forum, so what am I missing?
Costco did say that the tires could be inflated to 49 PSI, instead of 35 PSI to compensate.
Is there a safety risk?
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03_4x4Runner
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From the BFG site. All-Terrain T/A KO2 | BFGoodrich Tires The places you went are completely nuts. Each tire can support 2470 lbs.
ButterTart
New member
This is my first post, but I really appreciate all the members of this forum sharing their experiences. So on that note, I wanted to share mine. I just got my BFG All-Terrain T/A K02 275/70R17 installed today and I could not be happier. Thank you all.
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2011 4Runner SR5 Black, 275/70R17 BFG K02 All Terrains on SR5 Wheels
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2011 4Runner SR5 Black, 275/70R17 BFG K02 All Terrains on SR5 Wheels
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After a few weeks researching I decided it was time! Pulled the trigger on stock size 265 / 70 / 17 TA KO2's in C load. Since most of my driving is done on pavement with the occasional mountain/forest road decided C was the best choice.
What are your thoughts on proper psi to run on these?
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What are your thoughts on proper psi to run on these?
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Friggin Idiot
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Just tell them you want the exact size, and not the vehicle. They can give you've shit about it when they go to install them, maybe ask you to sign a waiver.
Look for a thread about ebay tire sale from discount tires direct. Was able to get KO2's in stock size for about 165 a piece. Paid discount tire $16 a piece to install. Not sure if the 275s are a part of the sale though.
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