BFG KO2 tread wear

[marshal]

Whats wrong with BFG quality? Its better than Falken and other lesser brands. The prices are what they are and comparable to other types of sporty type tires for cars etc.

Their builds are super light and not durable at all. I see atleast once a month someone I know having the belting separate and the carcass blow out at highway speed on a KM2 or a K02. They also cup like shit.

All that said though I don't have anything against BFG. Their tires are sexy, there are just better options out there unless you need the absolute lightest tire made.

I've had BFG, Nitto, Goodyear, General and Falken tires on my trucks and so far Falken and Nitto have been the highest build quality of all of them so far. GYMTRs are still my favorite tire though. Despite their awful wear pattern and noise

Some sizes are outrageously priced to me - but of course those are the sizes that only BFG makes. Like a 34 10.5 17. And why is it $50 more per tire for a 285/70/17 as compared to a 285/70/16?

FWIW - I regret buying cheaper Toyo tires. Toyo is finally replacing at least one of my AT2s - it took 16 ounces to balance and it still sucked. This was after 1500 miles on the road - meaning something probably separated inside? Not sure. At least BFG is making tires that are round. Out of 6 tires - soon to be 7, I got 2 that balance well, and 2 that are usable on the road if filled with balancing beads, 1 that's good enough for a backup spare tire, and 2 junkers. I didn't save any money buying 6 tires to get on okay set of 4 - AND buying another set of street wheels/tires because I was so tired of the poor balance issues.

You're literally the first person I have heard in years say something negative about Toyo tires, and that just rocked my world.

 

[Jetboy]

You're literally the first person I have heard in years say something negative about Toyo tires, and that just rocked my world.

I've never been brand loyal for tires. But I've previously had good impression of Toyo until these tires. I'd love to get rid of them, but I can't justify throwing out tires that have quite a bit of tread life left on them. 2 of the set have maybe 20k miles on them (I threw one away because after 4 trips to the shop and even with balancing beads it wouldn't balance - online savings = no support, Toyo doesn't honor any of the satisfaction type warranties for online purchases and for anything else you have to send them back the tire and the shipping plus costs of all the swapping makes it implausible to actually do anything other than toss them out). Then I added 2 to try to make a usable set without buying a full set of something else and basically threw good money after bad. Fool me twice... One of them is currently sent back to get a replacement authorized at 1500 miles. If these were bias ply mud tires - sure. For all terrain street tires, not good enough.

I'll give them credit where it's due. Both in snow and rocks the traction is good. No complaints on low speed performance. They flex well at 15psi. Overall weight is low. They are the P rated tire I've done the Rubicon along with just about all the similarly rated trails in Moab - poison spider, hells revenge, and such on them. No problems with durability. Sidewalls have held up great. I have put a rock through the tread of one. Right in the center. At 40-50ish mph in the desert - maybe bad luck or maybe they're not up to the task. Hard to say with a single puncture. Between the options, I'd still prefer to carry 2 spares than have the weight and sidewall stiffness of E rated tires if I have the choice. Not much mud tire options in a 285 that aren't E rated though.

 

[Elite130]

I have about 46,000 miles on my 265/70/17 KO2's (C-rated). I love these tires. I assume I have a good 15k miles to go before I replace them. But it is all dependent on the snow traction. My first impressions were excellent. They were quiet, rode ok, stayed balanced and I saw no decrease in mileage going from the stock tires to these. I did notice they are not great in slush and I can assume mud is the same. It seems the snow and mud stick in the tread and don't clear out easy. About 40k they started to get loud. Not horribly loud, but you can hear them. But overall, I have had them in crazy blizzards, off road trails, dirt roads, paved roads, rain and never questioned the tire's capabilities.

Will I buy them again...I think so. But I'll do more research before I buy another set.

 

[Bluestone13]

Yes, just put them on mine!

 

[Grug556]

Their builds are super light and not durable at all. I see atleast once a month someone I know having the belting separate and the carcass blow out at highway speed on a KM2 or a K02. They also cup like shit.

All that said though I don't have anything against BFG. Their tires are sexy, there are just better options out there unless you need the absolute lightest tire made.

I've had BFG, Nitto, Goodyear, General and Falken tires on my trucks and so far Falken and Nitto have been the highest build quality of all of them so far. GYMTRs are still my favorite tire though. Despite their awful wear pattern and noise



You're literally the first person I have heard in years say something negative about Toyo tires, and that just rocked my world.

Cupping likely accounts for the noise some experience as they feather the edges. Ive got about 10K on my BFGs so far. So far so good. I got C rated.

I just cant get into Falken as Ive heard some qc horror stories on the brand. Little opinion on Nitto as its not common here for sale. To bad Michellin didn't have a better AT type tire than what they current have.

 

[Sky]

The BFG KO on my 2011 FJCruiser I swapped out at 80,000 miles- still had useable tread left but were getting a little scalloped. My rotation was all 5 tires in a non-consistent timeframe. Now have KO2's with about 25,000 on them-looking good.

So when we picked up our 2019 ORP I was down at Discount tire 2 days later getting the Dunlop AT20's (IIRC) swapped out for a set of E rated KO2's, stock size 265/70R17.
I also run the KO2's on my 96 F350 long bed crew cab 4x4 diesel.

So yeah I'm a fan of the KO2's but I have no particular brand loyalty although in the past I've favored Michelins. Worst tires ever owned- toss up between Goodyear and Douglas- Walmart store brand put on beater 95 Ranger. Have Hankooks on it now- Douglas sucked and required frequent airing back up.

I do notice getting the KO/KO2 balanced seems to take a lot of weights.

BTW the BFG site shows to up pressure to 44 lbs for the KO2 in 265/70R17 on my 2019 ORP

 

[jhguth]

I got rid of mine around 50k miles (they had been rotated at least every 5k miles), there was borderline tread left but they had a lot of cracking even though they were less than 3 years old.

So far I'm much much happier with my Falken Wildpeak A/T3Ws, they ride much smoother and the handling in wet roads is a major improvement over the KO2s.

 

[mteolus]

22k on mine. I had kept the tires at 36 psi but probably should have been at 40 PSI. I do now and some of the noise went away. Mine are C load. I did have my rig aligned when I got the tires and have had them rotated twice. Some cupping and uneven treadwear. I'll probably have to get rid of them at 35k or 40k. I'll probably try something else. Not sure if it was me or the tires, but I am certainly not loyal to any particular brand. Main reason I bought them is because I got a good Black Friday deal on them and the 51 lb weight. I probably would have gone with Falken's otherwise. Maybe I will next time or possibly the Cooper AT3's. I just can't understand why a Falken C load is roughly the same weight as the E load.

 

[4Regrets]

I got rid of mine around 50k miles (they had been rotated at least every 5k miles), there was borderline tread left but they had a lot of cracking even though they were less than 3 years old.

This is the case with mine too. They'll dry rot to the point of needing to be replaced before they wear out. Mine currently have 35,000-40,000 miles on them, and I still have about 11mm of tread depth left. No cupping, shockingly even, basically nonexistent, wear.

At this point I'm planning on running them until next fall.

 

[CrazyMike]

... swapped out for a set of E rated KO2's, stock size 265/70R17.

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BTW the BFG site shows to up pressure to 44 lbs for the KO2 in 265/70R17 on my 2019 ORP

This is correct. E-rated tires require higher pressure. Feel free to call Michelin/BF Goodrich to confirm this. Customer service will happily verify this for you.

I have 275/70 R17 E-rated KO2's on my 2016 with over 55k miles on them and plenty of tread left. No issues at all.

 

[CrazyMike]

22k on mine. I had kept the tires at 36 psi but probably should have been at 40 PSI. I do now and some of the noise went away. Mine are C load.

For C-rated tires, you should follow the PSI rating on the label inside your door jamb.

Or you can call Michelin/BF Goodrich and they will advise you the correct pressure for your 4Runner/tire combination. Customer service will gladly answer your questions.

 

[Sky]

This is correct. E-rated tires require higher pressure. Feel free to call Michelin/BF Goodrich to confirm this. Customer service will happily verify this for you.

Why would I call them to verify- it came from THEIR page on the BFG site.

According to the BFG site the C rated KO2's in 265/70R17 require the exact same 44 PSI as the E range for the 4Runner

 

[Bumbo]

Does 44 PSI take the actual weight load inflation into account?

 

[83Mule]

I have run them in A/T and Mud for 40 years and the price has always been good from America's Tire or sales at 4WP. I have 4 285 C's in the garage waiting for the 275's to wear out and I paid $745 delivered OTD. Never had a failure beyond a nail in the tread and it is VERY Rocky on trails here.

 

[mteolus]

Why would I call them to verify- it came from THEIR page on the BFG site.

According to the BFG site the C rated KO2's in 265/70R17 require the exact same 44 PSI as the E range for the 4Runner

Time to add more pressure. I am currently running 40 front and 38 rear. I guess I should have done more research. Discount Tire installed them with 36.

 

[honda250xtitan]

no, being e rated doesn't mean it requires more air. this is a tiny SUV not a HD truck. Unless you wanna bounce your teeth outta your head than yea knock yourself out and max out those E rated tires. You air the tires up according to the max capacity of the vehicle. Heck even my f250 doesn't have the tires aired up beyond 50 until i tow.


our 4runner has e rated ko2's with 35 psi. they refuse to wear out. 25k miles and zero sign of wear.

 

[Motory]

285/70/17 C Load running 38psi on road, 18-20psi off road - about 12k mi - lots of high speed desert runs, drifts, donuts, moderate crawling. Have 12/32 or 13/32 on all 4 corners so about 80% life. Helps that my alignment is perfect, but I'm very happy with the tread life so far.

 

[jhguth]

For C-rated tires, you should follow the PSI rating on the label inside your door jamb.

Or you can call Michelin/BF Goodrich and they will advise you the correct pressure for your 4Runner/tire combination. Customer service will gladly answer your questions.

no.

the PSI on your doors is for OEM or OEM equivalent tires, the OEM tire is a P tire

both C and E KO2s require higher PSI to match the original load rating

 

[tacoyota]

at about 30k miles these tires start to get noisy. They were quiet in the beginning and now I get a whirring noise. It isn't terrible but is noticeable.

 

[Bootleg]

I'd estimate that I have over 40k on mine and I'm completely done with them. They've been loud since around 10k after a long gravel road drive but it's gotten so much worse now that there is significant cupping on both shoulders. I've been running the pressures BFG suggests and rotating every oil change. Maybe I should rotate more often to mitigate the cupping? Either way, the noise, vibration, and terrible wet weather traction is pushing me away from the KO2 all together. They've been great off-road but I spend 95% of my time on the pavement so I can't get another set simply because they're good 5% of the time. I can't say they've been bad but I'm not going with another set until I've tried the Wildpeak's out.