was not my choice and I was not around.
built ford tough ?
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was not my choice and I was not around.
pluton
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Look at the reviews on Yelp for car repair places. Most of them are of the "My car was making a funny noise. Jerry fixed it in 10 minutes and only charged me $80!"
Bumbo
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Anything manufactured today does… including Toyotas.
There are many devices with some sort of communication protocol between them in modern cars. Its just how things are made these days.
thennen
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True, but I agree with his sentiment.
96RedRunner
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Haved owned 40+ vehicles from around the world in my life, none of the best ones have been made in this century.
1929 Ford pickup 56 Ford pickup 96RedRunner stock when I got them, Best
Have 01 4Runner 214k mi, 11 Audi S5 V8 6 spd man 30k mi now, good so far.
There's Jap crap, British crap, Euro crap, Big 3 crap, why I've had so many, lol.
Extended warranty's are crap for the buyer easy money for seller.
Worked for Nissan in the States and Japan 01-08 production engr, night and day difference between who is putting the pieces together on all levels.
1929 Ford pickup 56 Ford pickup 96RedRunner stock when I got them, Best
Have 01 4Runner 214k mi, 11 Audi S5 V8 6 spd man 30k mi now, good so far.
There's Jap crap, British crap, Euro crap, Big 3 crap, why I've had so many, lol.
Extended warranty's are crap for the buyer easy money for seller.
Worked for Nissan in the States and Japan 01-08 production engr, night and day difference between who is putting the pieces together on all levels.
The CANbus is pretty amazing. People just need to take the time and learn to understand things rather than go "this new stuff sucks!".
Bumbo
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I don't disagree... CANbus can be found in a lot of places aside from cars as well.
I see it enough these days that I decided it time to better understand what its about.
stikman
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I've owned many different models of Toyota trucks and a couple of their SUV's, currently have 2002 4Runner. All but one were great. Bought a brand new 08 Tundra and thought it was going to be the best truck ever. I love Toyotas but that Tundra was a lemon. 2 years of ownership and it's at the dealership for over a month trying to fix an electrical problem, they never figured it out. Traded it for a Ford Super Duty and I don't think I'll ever buy another Tundra, I was disappointed with that experience. Love my 4Runner though, Toyota did a great job with the 3rd gens!
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Bumbo
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I love trucks, own a Silverado and have no interest in a Tundra.. Once you get into the bigger trucks… The American manufactures do a very good job. Ford / Chevy debate aside, the 2500 HD / F-250 and up Toyota can’t touch.
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I doubt that it was a Toyota problem. Loads of people just suck at properly diagnosing cars when it comes to electrical problems.
Electrical problems aren't difficult to solve but people need to understand how the stuff works to solve it.
Related to above: Mr. Eric O in South Main Auto (on you tube) showed how he diagnose a Silverado with an electrical problem in the transmission. Dealer couldn't find it but he was cleaver to diagnose it properly with a test light. There were many electrical related issues that he solved in his videos.
If he get 10 vehicles with electrical issues 6 are Chevy, 2 are Fords, 1 Honda/Nissan and 1 Korean car. Never seen him diagnosing a toyota car for a crazy electrical issue (not sensors).
If he get 10 vehicles with electrical issues 6 are Chevy, 2 are Fords, 1 Honda/Nissan and 1 Korean car. Never seen him diagnosing a toyota car for a crazy electrical issue (not sensors).
stikman
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All the warning lights, 4wd lights, basically all the idiot lights in the instruments/dash would come on at once. Only way for me to reset it, was to disconnect the battery but then it would happen again randomly. Happened with the dealer techs also, but couldn't figure it out.
Thebeastlives
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Trucks
I love how some people still think that americans build good full side trucks . They don't. I switched to tundra years ago because all the American trucks were garbage. Their 1/2 tons trucks could not tow as much and the reliable was crap. Now they have improved how much they can tow because the tundra forced them too. The reliable is still crap. My 08 tundra has 265,000 miles and still runs and tows as well as it did new. The motor and transmission is rock solid but so every thing else. I've replaced a bushing on my tie row and that is it in 11 years outside of oil changes.
I love how some people still think that americans build good full side trucks . They don't. I switched to tundra years ago because all the American trucks were garbage. Their 1/2 tons trucks could not tow as much and the reliable was crap. Now they have improved how much they can tow because the tundra forced them too. The reliable is still crap. My 08 tundra has 265,000 miles and still runs and tows as well as it did new. The motor and transmission is rock solid but so every thing else. I've replaced a bushing on my tie row and that is it in 11 years outside of oil changes.
Mr. Goodkat
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Here is a video explaining the differences between the business models, or rather, the difference in design priorities. Like others have said, Murican brands seem to focus on a bigger touch screen interface, WiFi, 32 speed transmissions, over complicated tailgates that won't function properly after 4 years in the rust belt, and the trickest LED running light setup. They are constantly redesigning things every couple of years if not every year to appeal to the customers desire to have the latest and greatest.
Toyota definitely follows their model of slowly achieving perfection over time. Toyota might have old designs and can have issues but they don't seem to have as many or major reliability recalls the others have.
This an interesting watch and a little history on Toyota's evolution as well. Actually a lot of information in 14 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8LWUyhCOhk&feature=youtu.be
Toyota definitely follows their model of slowly achieving perfection over time. Toyota might have old designs and can have issues but they don't seem to have as many or major reliability recalls the others have.
This an interesting watch and a little history on Toyota's evolution as well. Actually a lot of information in 14 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8LWUyhCOhk&feature=youtu.be
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Mr. Goodkat
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I grew up in what was basically a Ford family and never cared for GM products that much even though I had a few. I can always remember our Taurus, Rangers and Explorers constantly having electrical gremlins. Door chimes and and dome lights that won't shut off, wipers that turn on by themselves, windows that stop working, power steering that whines early on, and overall poor fit and finish.
The third Gen 4Runner convinced me to give Toyota a chance ten years ago while working in a garage and I haven't looked back. I've had an 08 Yaris, 14 FJ Cruiser (that I'll always miss but not the payment), a 15 Yaris, 01 Camry the wife now drives, and the 00 4Runner. I love my T4R and even some aspects of it more than the FJ. I don't regret my switch to Toyota and don't see changing anytime soon.
The third Gen 4Runner convinced me to give Toyota a chance ten years ago while working in a garage and I haven't looked back. I've had an 08 Yaris, 14 FJ Cruiser (that I'll always miss but not the payment), a 15 Yaris, 01 Camry the wife now drives, and the 00 4Runner. I love my T4R and even some aspects of it more than the FJ. I don't regret my switch to Toyota and don't see changing anytime soon.
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tvpierce
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Is it a cultural thing or a corporate thing?
