buying used Rental 4runner

Kjell

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Hey gang, anyone out there bought a
used 4runner ex rental vehicle? It seems
that most of the 2005 4runners on dealer
lots were bought at auction from the
rental companys. I talked to a guy at
Hertz sales, he says they sell the best
ones to the public and any with missing
maintenence or dented undercarriages etc
go to auction. So, I'm considering buying
one form Hertz. 2005 SR5 4X4 $22K.
I know lots of people think this may be
a bad idea, I would love to hear for someone who actually has experience
with this type of purchase. By the way,
I'll be using it for serious off roading so
not too concerned with cosmetics........
 
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not a 4runner, but folks in my family have bought a couple rental cars.. without problems. was able to squeeze a warranty of the deal, and the discount was significant.
of course you immediately think that these cars are driven hard (hard meaning fast. i wouldnt think many ppl take a rental off-road), which is probably true. however they should be able to provide you all maintenance records to show its been kept up..

specifically this 4runner, is it v6 or v8 model? how bout mileage?

if its v8 with low mileage that would be a pretty good bargain in my area (midwest).
 
Kjell said:
I would love to hear for someone who actually has experience
with this type of purchase.
It wasn't a 4Runner, but I bought a Pontiac Gran Prix from Enterprise. It was 8 mos. old when I got it, had 18k miles on the odometer, and I got it at an excellent price.

They provided the maintenance history on the vehicle, showed no accident history, and I was even able to buy an extended warranty on the car. I kept the car for 6 years, put 100k miles on it, and never had a problem with it. It had the options I would have chosen anyway (A/C, CD player, AT, etc.).

A vehicle from a rental company was probably driven by a middle-aged business man, not some NASCAR wanna-be doing 100mph in second gear. It was a good experience for me, and I wish you luck if you decide to try it.
 
I've seen too many people abuse the hell out of rental cars to ever consider actually purchasing one.

I'm sure most people are just normal drivers using the vehicle to get from point A to point B, but with some bad luck you might pick a vehicle that was abused big time.

The fact of the matter is that most people do not care about rental cars simply because they don't own them. I'm the kind of driver that avoids potholes, brakes and then coasts over a bump (never good to brake over a bump), etc... In other words, I take care of my vehicles and drive them in way that they will last. So maybe I'm anal, but I wouldn't want a vehicle that wasn't driven the way I choose to drive my own.

In fact, I would only buy a used car from the original owner, but only if I felt that he has the same road habits as me. Otherwise, I'd walk away from the deal.
 
I've known quite a few people purchase rental vehicles. None of them have ever had a problem. With a rental car, no single driver ever has the vehicle very long. So even if you get a faster, abusive, ect. driver...they don't drive it for very long. I am more careful with a rental than I am with my own car, because I don't want to pay for damages.

But the price doesn't sound great.
 
I would be a little hesitant about buying a used rental vehicle. First off, these cars are not broken in properly. People really don't care how they treat the car because they feel that it is "a rental." Secondly, people take the cheapest way out when it comes to putting gas in the car. Who knows what they put in the tank? Third, people do not treat rental vehicles the same way they treat their own. The bottom line is that this vehicle is not their own so who cares what happens! In addition, the price does not sound like such a good deal.
 
Mark86 said:
I would be a little hesitant about buying a used rental vehicle. First off, these cars are not broken in properly. People really don't care how they treat the car because they feel that it is "a rental." Secondly, people take the cheapest way out when it comes to putting gas in the car. Who knows what they put in the tank? Third, people do not treat rental vehicles the same way they treat their own. The bottom line is that this vehicle is not their own so who cares what happens! In addition, the price does not sound like such a good deal.

You made some really good points. I never even considered that most people put the cheapest gas they can find in a rental car. Jimmy Jays Jip Joint 1/2 gas 1/2 water fueling station... hahaha

And new vehicle break-in should always be done right. A rental driver just wouldn't care about stuff like that. I know that I wouldn't care...

Another big one for me-- Winter driving. I'm easy on the throttle until the vehile reaches full operating temperature. I have a friend who basically floors his vehicle right after he starts it up and puts it in drive. Even in the dead of winter is sub-freezing temps. Imaging how he would treat a rental?

Nope, no rentals for me. Well, at least not to buy. I'd like to rent a Hummer H3 to do some muddin' though....
 
If you can get them to stump up for a Toyota extended warranty, I say go for it... but only after having it inspected by a Toyota dealer to check for any major issues not covered under the remaining warranty. Most sellers are happy to let you borrow the car for a day, so just book it in with a dealer in the area.

Rental cars may or may not be abused by renters. The 4runner is a strong truck and I bet most never go off road (look at rental contract fine print and you'll see any insurance you buy does not cover you if you go off-road, even in a 4x4). Rental companies do, however, take fairly good care of the engines since they don't want cars breaking down.

The gas issue ain't a problem IMO. All gas has detergent in it, just some detergents are better than others. Just run a cleaner through the engine for the first couple tanks. And I wouldn't worry about the break-in issue either. It's a modern Toyota engine, after all, not a 1989 GMC engine. Have a dealer do a full engine diagnostic check just to be sure.

And I'd hazard a guess that 95% of ex-rental fleets go to auction, not just the 'bad" ones, so don't fall for that one. Companies like Hertz need to get old cars off their lots fast and don't have time to screw around selling to the public, especially since they buy the cars at discounted fleet price to start with.

That price sounds about right. 24K miles is high for a year-old car but not that high, and I think the price sorta reflects that. You might be able to have a warranty thrown in as part of the deal. I'd rather do that than haggle another $500 off the price.
 
My dad bought a Ford Thunderbird a while ago. It was a rental. He never had a problem, until some moron in a Saturn T- boned it. I worked for a rental company a while back, and they are serviced pretty good, and most of them are not abused. As far as breaking in the engine, todays engines do not need to be broken in like cars in the 80's or older.
 
Fourty-four said:
I've seen too many people abuse the hell out of rental cars to ever consider actually purchasing one.

I'm sure most people are just normal drivers using the vehicle to get from point A to point B, but with some bad luck you might pick a vehicle that was abused big time.

:D

I'd look at Carmax, at least you know they weren't necessarily acquired from a rental fleet.

It's not the service records, which I am sure are good, it's the abuse.

I rent enough cars and I know the maximum capability of each one by the time I return it.
 
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A couple guys at work bought rentals and both had trans failures. But both were Chryslers.

Koz
 
I bought my second car from a rental company in '98 the only issue i had with it was the alternator going out. I sold it to my bro in '02 and he had a bunch of issues including the trans. going out. Im not sure if that was caused by the fact it was a rental or just because it was a cheap pontiac GP. When we traded it in on my 4r the dealer noted that it was a rental, im not sure if they took some of the value away because of that or not. I guess it does mak sense though, if you pay less for it because it was a rental you will then have to sell it for less.
 
Don't buy a rental 4x4... Many businesses rent them for clients during the summer months (or when I was a field biologist we used them too). They can get seriously abused (driven through almost anything) without any kind of maintenance for months, then returned. The rental agency then cleans them, changes the oil and sends them out to auction.

We didn't use Toyotas, we used Ford Broncos and 3/4 ton Suburbans. I remember doing 4WD burn outs in the parking lots, driving through powder sand, mud pits, in 130 degree heat for 3 months and never did any service to any of the rigs.

Check out the local specials in the paper... In Boston, a dealer was advertising a new 2006 SR5 V6 4WD for 23,500 (obviously no options on the vehicle). With gas going up, SUV sales are decreasing, and July and August are hot times to buy before the new model year comes out in September.
 
Bought my 04 SR5 4x4 from Hertz. It has 22k on it when I bought it. They provided all maint. records for the vehicle and gave me an additional 36,000 mile wrnty on top of the manuf one. Had it for about a year and a half. It did need aligned when I bought it, but nothing but routine maint has been done to it since. I was a little hesitant at first, but it has been a positive experience so far.
 
I want to jump in here. I would consider myself somewhat informed on this issue as I worked for a dealer selling vehicles and helping out with buying used vehicles at auctions. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BUYING A RENTAL.........In fact there are some aspects that make buying a rental seem more attractive than buying a typical used for vehicle.

1. With a rental you know the vehicle was serviced....with a privately owned vehicle you really dont

2. Many of the late model used vehicles on dealer lots are lease turn ins, and many people who lease may not use good gas, do the maint, drive it well, break it in properly, etc because they know the vehicle will be out of their hands long before any of the problems from the associated would crop up

3. Break in procedures on modern cars are not as big of a concern as they used to be and the vast majority of people do nothing special during the first hundred miles or so

4. The 4Runners computer will not drivers over rev the engine or run it hard right after start up (which is why it shifts no higher than 3k rpms when cold)

5. The best vehicles do not necessarily go to the rental agencys dealer

6. The best way to ascertain how a rental vehicle was treated is to inspect it for visual damage. If it is free of visual damage you can bet it wasnt abused all that much

7. If someone pays to rent an SUV they are more than likely not your typical renter as insurance companies wouldnt typically pay for such a vehicle and most vacation goers who can afford to rent an SUV probably arent hot rodders.

8. As far as the gas goes, I doubt very many renters go out of their way to buy bad gas. Many times they prepay the gas and return empty. If they do fill up I am sure they are pumping 87 octane in and that is what most owners will do, as this wont hurt the vehicle.

9. When you trade in a vehicle the dealer will almost always want to pay you less then it is worth. They will pull out excuses, such as it formerly being a rental, just to make you feel like it might actually be worth less. These are just shady dealer tactics. I can promise if you negotiate well you will not end up gettting less. And this is even if they know it was a rental, most dealers arent going to bother to pull a carfax, especially if the vehilce is in good condition.

This is all I can think of right now. These vehicles still come with the balance of the manufacturers warranty.
 
Wow, great replies all, just the sort of feedback I was looking for. I'm much more
comfortable with this idea now. Another
plus with going with Hertz is I can just
pay with a personal check! This truck
will get the treatment as soon as I get
it home(thanks to everything I've
learned on this BB).
 
Change all the fluids (oil, diffs, transfer case, tranny, top up windshield fliud with good stuff), lube the grease fittings, give it some fuel injection cleaner, and check the tires periodically for premature alignment wear.
Enjoy the ride.
 
T4RMatt said:


1. With a rental you know the vehicle was serviced....with a privately owned vehicle you really dont


Do you think only rental agencies have service records? Private owners also have service records. And even if they put them in the trash, it's as easy as driving down to their servicing dealership and asking for a service history on the vehicle.



2. Many of the late model used vehicles on dealer lots are lease turn ins, and many people who lease may not use good gas, do the maint, drive it well, break it in properly, etc because they know the vehicle will be out of their hands long before any of the problems from the associated would crop up


That's exactly why so many companies offer "free" maintenance and oil changes on their leased vehicles. They found that people who leased for 2 or 3 years were neglecting the vehicles because they knew that they would not have them for the long run. Besides, comparing rental vehicles and leased vehicles is an apples and oranges comparison. Rental vehicles change "owners" constantly. Leased vehicles have the same "owner" for years.

3. Break in procedures on modern cars are not as big of a concern as they used to be and the vast majority of people do nothing special during the first hundred miles or so


Anyone should properly break in their vehicle if they want it to last, even with modern engine technology. Rental car drivers are much more unlikely to give a damn.


4. The 4Runners computer will not drivers over rev the engine or run it hard right after start up (which is why it shifts no higher than 3k rpms when cold)


I don't know what kind of special computer you have in your 4Runner, but the ones that I've seen do not limit rpms when cold. My BMW M3 has this feature, but not the 4Runner.




6. The best way to ascertain how a rental vehicle was treated is to inspect it for visual damage. If it is free of visual damage you can bet it wasnt abused all that much


Using visual damage is a poor way to gauge the condition of a rental car. For one thing, rental agencies have huge contracts with body shops to always keep their vehicles LOOKING new. Finding a rental that never had body work is like finding a needle in a haystack.



7. If someone pays to rent an SUV they are more than likely not your typical renter as insurance companies wouldnt typically pay for such a vehicle and most vacation goers who can afford to rent an SUV probably arent hot rodders.


There's nothing special about renting an SUV. Regular people do it all the time. The only difference is that people who more to rent an SUV usually need the utility it offers, so they rent it to tow a trailer, haul stuff on the inside, or to take it offroad--all things that are tough on the vehicle.


8. As far as the gas goes, I doubt very many renters go out of their way to buy bad gas. Many times they prepay the gas and return empty. If they do fill up I am sure they are pumping 87 octane in and that is what most owners will do, as this wont hurt the vehicle.


Of course they won't go out of their way to buy bad gas, but they won't go out of their way to buy good gas either. The cheapest gas they can find is usually what a rental car driving will use.




This is all I can think of right now. These vehicles still come with the balance of the manufacturers warranty.

Wow, I never disagreed with so many things at the same time. I think your logic is seriously flawed. I guess it doesn't really matter, because I don't buy used vehicles anyway, but if I did, it most certainly wouldn't be from a rental agency.
 
If you know you're vehicles, it's pretty easy to tell if it's had heavy abuse or not.

Basically with a Toyota, if it's had roughly the schedualed maintenence, hasn't been hit/repaired, and hasn't had any insane driveline abuse, there really isn't much to break.

A quick peek underneath will tell you if it's been a bush vehicle. Even still, my current Tacoma was a bush vehicle for its first 230,000kms and aside from a few more scratches than a pavement pounder truck, you'd never know; it drives out perfect. There is no way that a rental could have seen more bush than this truck....eg the button for the rear locker has it's printing worn off from being pushed so many times lol. BUT, it was always maintained well....that's the key.

With a 4R you have even more built in abuse-deterants in the form of the VSC and ATRAC systems. Pavement burnouts/donuts are impossible so that means no wheelhop (the main driveline killer), the tranny won't let you do anything weird with it, the torque management won't let it bang gears, the motor has a conservative rev-limiter, etc.

Overall, if the interior/exterior doesn't look abused and the underside isn't mangled, chances are you're just as safe as buying any non-rental vehicle.
 
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