C4 Ladder fitment off, gouged out area behind tabs

Received yesterday - installed this morning. Please note - I decided to use some nasty 3M VHB tape instead. It was a little thinner and a lot more sticky than the tape that came with it. It is now on there permanently.

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Can you remove 3M tapes if you take the ladder off?
 
I suspect the tape that comes with it will take paint off, too. I was considering putting some clear paint protector underneath. Does that sound like a good idea?

That is a bad idea. The tape would only be as strong as the vinyl you use there and it not a good adhesion surface. You just need to make sure you dont use the 3m tape that says “permanent bond”.
 
Finally got around to installing mine today.

1. New plate had zero issues laying flat and even though it is close no scraping
2. I sent the entire hardware packet to PCbolts.com to have matte black powder coated. As usual the quality and CS were outstanding. I have done a lot of hardware with them and none of it has chipped while torquing down, and 100% coverage
3. When I had my clear mask installed I had them throw on a patch above the first step location. Highly recommend doing this, there is very little toe room.
4. Installed the C4 recommendation for new struts. Really these are a must imo. They are a little longer though. Making the clearance to my Rhino rack pretty tight. I have my rack pushed forward about 1/4” from touching the shark fin.


Great product, design and quality. Love the rubber steps
 

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Finally got around to installing mine today.

1. New plate had zero issues laying flat and even though it is close no scraping
2. I sent the entire hardware packet to PCbolts to have matte black powder coated. As usual the quality and CS were outstanding. I have done a lot of hardware with them and none of it has chipped while torquing down, and 100% coverage
3. When I had my clear mask installed I had them throw on a patch above the first step location. Highly recommend doing this, there is very little toe room.
4. Installed the C4 recommendation for new struts. Really these are a must imo. They are a little longer though. Making the clearance to my Rhino rack pretty tight. I have my rack pushed forward about 1/4” from touching the shark fin.


Great product, design and quality. Love the rubber steps



Throw a loaded gascan on that ladder... you’ll need even beefier struts
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just curious what uses people are getting out of the ladder?

I was considering getting one and thought it would be useful for getting to the RTT to help make setup easier, but it seems like standing on the rear bumper is just as good, and with the RTT up there I cant walk on the rack anyway because there is no space.

only use I can think of for myself is adding rotopax for gas/water
 
OP, your pictures are too big to see what's going on. If you use the IMG tags on Imgur and add an 'h' before the .jpg in the link, it'll resize them nicely.

Example using your first pic:
Find the Imgur IMG code on the Imgur page of your pic. Copy it. Paste it here, but add an 'h' right before .jpg like this:
[IMG https: //i.imgur. com/jXOzpRLh.jpg /IMG]

I left spaces and brackets open in that link because the forum is trying to “fix” it for me even though all I want to do is show an example.

Then, your pics will be forum friendly like this:

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just curious what uses people are getting out of the ladder?

I was considering getting one and thought it would be useful for getting to the RTT to help make setup easier, but it seems like standing on the rear bumper is just as good, and with the RTT up there I cant walk on the rack anyway because there is no space.

only use I can think of for myself is adding rotopax for gas/water

For me, RotoPax (mostly water) and I have an X-cover RTT on order and if I want to load items on top of it I think getting better access will help. Then maybe a shovel

But I have to admit, I struggled with buying a ladder. So many Range Rovers around here with ladders and no rack. If C4 had not come up with this design I wouldn’t own one. But is it a need...no
 
Makes me happy in this day and age to see a business standing by their product and making it right for their customers..while I certainly don't need a ladder, it definitely adds to the cool factor and if I decide to buy one it will be from C4..

side note, I've looked through this entire thread and not one pic on anyone standing on that ladder..how about it??
 
For me, RotoPax (mostly water) and I have an X-cover RTT on order and if I want to load items on top of it I think getting better access will help. Then maybe a shovel

But I have to admit, I struggled with buying a ladder. So many Range Rovers around here with ladders and no rack. If C4 had not come up with this design I wouldn’t own one. But is it a need...no

Thanks for the reply! I have a smittybilt xl tent on my rack now and there is no room to walk up there or even to store anything really. There is basically no room for anything else, not even rotopax on the roof. I may consider the ladder simply for rotopax if anything. I thought there would be more room up there, but as it stands it seems it would nullify the usefulness of the ladder except for accessories.
 
just curious what uses people are getting out of the ladder?
My cargo area holds my campsite, photography gear, clothes, and some misc. regularly needed things. My entire second row belongs to my dog. So I have 2 cases on the roof for things I don’t need as often: tools, misc. emergency stuff (ex: tire patch kit), camp shower, dirty clothes, day hiking pack. I will also use the roof as a photography platform in some cases.

But mostly the ladder will just look cool.
 
My cargo area holds my campsite, photography gear, clothes, and some misc. regularly needed things. My entire second row belongs to my dog. So I have 2 cases on the roof for things I don’t need as often: tools, misc. emergency stuff (ex: tire patch kit), camp shower, dirty clothes, day hiking pack. I will also use the roof as a photography platform in some cases.

But mostly the ladder will just look cool.

Thanks for the info. I can definitely see it useful in your case for photography to get onto the rack and also for putting gear up there.

If i recall you also have the SSO rack. I believe that it could be good in the rare case that i need to put gear ip there as well, but when i have the tent on it pretty much takes up the whole rack. I was hoping that i could fit
Some rotopax up there but the tent is bigger than i thought. I may get the ladder as well just because as you said it looks cool and can be useful in certain cases. Will have to put some thought into it. For me the main use case would be rotopax
 
Thanks for the reply! I have a smittybilt xl tent on my rack now and there is no room to walk up there or even to store anything really. There is basically no room for anything else, not even rotopax on the roof. I may consider the ladder simply for rotopax if anything. I thought there would be more room up there, but as it stands it seems it would nullify the usefulness of the ladder except for accessories.

I will be doing some Rotopax for water for sure. I found this on Amazon, spout down on the Rotopax would make it super convenient to refill water bottles, wash your hands, etc. . Though it needs some sort of cover for all the dust back there (maybe just a ziplock with a rubber band)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073RQ7DT...olid=3GPPY77U6900D&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
 
@c4_fabrication

I waited until after the issue was "resolved" before I placed my order (June 25th). The ladder arrived a few days later. I finally got around to installing it this afternoon.

I can definitely confirm the top plate I received does not sit perfectly flat. When you start the process it looks like it will, but by the time you've finished and everything is bolted down tight, it does not sit flat.

I would highly recommend using something along the edge of the cargo door that can protect the paint, regardless of the issue being fixed or not.

Update: I received a message from C4. The issue may be able to be resolved with some adjustments using this plate. The top plate I have should be a fixed one. I’ll try to make some adjustments and report back.

Update 2: Per C4's instructions, I made some tweaks to the bolts attaching the ladder to the top plate. This improved the situation slightly, but it doesn't sit flat yet. I'm going to reinstall in a couple weeks after I'm back from Colorado. If I still can't get it flat, I'll be driving by C4's shop in September, and I'll make a pit stop.

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As mentioned, it doesn't really happen until you bolt everything down, so it wasn't until the process was completed that I noticed it. The paint is probably already scratched a little, though it's on the back edge of the door so you will never see it. I'm going to reach out to C4 about a replacement.



As far as the rest of the process goes, do a number of dry runs before removing the sticky tape. You will have to make adjustments. The instruction measurements were not perfect. Once you're absolutely sure that everything is aligned, then remove the sticky tape and bolt everything.

In order to get the top plate to sit flat (side-to-side), I had to position these bolts in extreme opposite ends of their respective slots.
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The top plate will then rest flat at the 3" mark (per instructions) side-to-side on top of the vehicle.
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This part of the process was very inaccurate for my 2018 TRD OR.
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In order for the top plate to sit flat and the ladder to be perfectly level both horizontally and vertically, the correct measurement was 9".
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Bolting the ladder to the bottom plate was a lot easier than I thought it was going to be. To be honest, you can probably finesse it with 1 person, if you needed to. With 2 people, it was extremely easy.



Finished:
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Other notes:

* Would be nice if the ladder came out a bit farther from the vehicle. Pretty difficult to use the ladder without your toes hitting the cargo door. Not a huge deal though, and not having to worry about backing into things is nice.

* The powder coating looks nice, but scratches quite easily. As soon as you bolt anything down, the powder coating in that spot will scratch right off. It's actually probably the aluminum itself that is scratching off.

* If you have the SSO rack, this ladder will allow you to completely open the cargo door without impacting the final 2" angled crossbar!!!!!

* The stock struts for the cargo door are ALMOST strong enough to lift the door with the ladder installed. It only takes a very weak nudge to give it the energy it needs. If you let go of the door, at worst it will stay in position. I'll be in Colorado next week without installing new struts yet and I'm not even mad.

Update: If you have the window down, the struts will struggle. The OEM struts will only hold the door all the way open if the window is up.

* Overall, I'm happy with the ladder. I just need an appropriate top plate. I fits my needs and the few accessories you can get for it are nice, too. Would be cool if you had to option of anodizing (or whatever) the hardware.
 
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Update

I had the same issues with vertical alignment. More like 9 inches on the bottom. Absolutely test fit and align before pulling tape. There is adjustment on the top bracket and you can only reach one of two bolts after installing. (I would flip the bolts and nuts C4)

Nuts on bottom bracket have gouged my bumper. I am going to try and push it up if I can anymore. There is more room to had there, (enough room for airbag valves for example) so a slight change in the bracket hole locations would solve the issue. Bummer though

Nothing to do with C4 really, but the HD struts are acting strange to me. I live at 5,000 ft, I was at 12,000-8,400 ft last week and they couldn’t lift the tailgate at all. A sealed system, doesn’t make sense. Though this has been a mountain topic for years. Strange, working now back at home.
 

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