Colorado Trip Planning Help

I did daystar spacers front and rear. Went against everyone else's advice. After 3 months I ditched the rear spacers and bought 891 coils. I like that set-up much better. I need to upgrade my rear shocks so I can get more travel. I get 7.5 in of travel our of my stock 4runner shocks. I can get 10.8 if I switch to LC shocks.
My advice if you are on a budget is to buy 891 or 890 OME rear coils and find someone who is selling used spacers. They come up on here and yotatech fairly often. If your shocks are old, change them too but dont go with 4runner shocks. you need to get more travel. If you can find a wrecked LC use those coils. Cheaper. Good luck.
 
I did daystar spacers front and rear. Went against everyone else's advice. After 3 months I ditched the rear spacers and bought 891 coils. I like that set-up much better. I need to upgrade my rear shocks so I can get more travel. I get 7.5 in of travel our of my stock 4runner shocks. I can get 10.8 if I switch to LC shocks.
My advice if you are on a budget is to buy 891 or 890 OME rear coils and find someone who is selling used spacers. They come up on here and yotatech fairly often. If your shocks are old, change them too but dont go with 4runner shocks. you need to get more travel. If you can find a wrecked LC use those coils. Cheaper. Good luck.

Excellent reply.

Dumb question time...

1. Why is it that you ditched the rear spacers exactly?
2. My truck has 95k on it, I imagine the shocks are original but they handle fine, how do I know when it's time to replace or if they are "old"?
 
Excellent reply.

Dumb question time...

1. Why is it that you ditched the rear spacers exactly?
2. My truck has 95k on it, I imagine the shocks are original but they handle fine, how do I know when it's time to replace or if they are "old"?

1. I ditched the rear spacers for a couple of reasons. Our 3rd gen rear coil springs are nutorious for sagging. With the spacers front and rear (2.5 front and 3 rear) I was sitting level with noone or nothing in the car. You put a tool box, backpack and 2 people in the thing and you were sitting at a negative rake. If you are going on a trip you will most likely have a load in the back and you will be sitting with a negative rake. The 891 are taller than stock+spacers and they are firmer which means they can carry a heavier load without sagging. I made a trip to CO with 4 people and probally 3-400 lbs of gear and I was sitting level. I love them.

2.I had 245-250 on mine at the time I changed them and I'm pretty sure they were original. When I tried to loosen the top bolt the thing broke and the shock fell to the floor. That is how I knew it was time to replace them. I know that is kind of a silly answer but truth is if you are going to all the trouble to change the coil springs you are essentially talking about removing one extra bolt to change them out. You have to remove the bottom bolt on the shock to change the coil spring. With 95K on them you might as well change them if you lifting. Like I said before, dont do like I did and make the mistake of getting factory 4runner shocks bc they dont have as much travel. Get LC shocks or something else. My stock shocks have 7.5 in of travel and I could probably go up to 10 in without worrying about loosing my spring.

Hope this helps. Wish I had listened to everyone else and I would have only done it once.
 
Excellent reply.

Dumb question time...

1. Why is it that you ditched the rear spacers exactly?
2. My truck has 95k on it, I imagine the shocks are original but they handle fine, how do I know when it's time to replace or if they are "old"?

at 100K miles, its time to replace them, even if they "feel" fine, the stock suspension isnt the best, lol
 
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I am from Grand Jct, CO and I will tell you Imogene and Black Bear Pass is no joke...if you don't have a 1/2 way decent lift and good tires I wouldn't try it. I have 98 Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.5" Rubicon express lift w/ 32's ARB lockers and unless you have a winch or a buddy with a winch I wouldnt even attempt Black Bear. My favorites include Imogene pass, Yankee boy basin, Ophir Pass, Last Dollar road, and my favorite is Engineers Pass... BEST VIEW IN COLORADO
 

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^I've seen video of everything from bone stock 4th gen 4runners with streety tires do Black Bear, to a re**** in a Jeep Liberty coming down "the steps" on that trail, shaving off the bottom of his truck the whole time, lol - then full size Hummers do it.

Theres no question that trail demands the you be experienced with the utmost caution and coolness under pressure, and is to be respected.

I refuse to be in that area and not do it, with the respect it deserves of course.
 
I am from Grand Jct, CO and I will tell you Imogene and Black Bear Pass is no joke...if you don't have a 1/2 way decent lift and good tires I wouldn't try it. I have 98 Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.5" Rubicon express lift w/ 32's ARB lockers and unless you have a winch or a buddy with a winch I wouldnt even attempt Black Bear. My favorites include Imogene pass, Yankee boy basin, Ophir Pass, Last Dollar road, and my favorite is Engineers Pass... BEST VIEW IN COLORADO

I'm heading to the Durango/Grand Junction area in early September for a camping trip...all the way from Austin, TX. Any cool trails/off-road drives you can recommend? I have an '07 SR5 V6...no 4WD, no lift, but I do have Nitto Terra Grapplers 265/70/17s. Not necessarily looking for anything too crazy...my off-road experience is pretty limited...just looking for some cool places to check out and some fairly remote places to swim and camp.
 
1. I ditched the rear spacers for a couple of reasons. Our 3rd gen rear coil springs are nutorious for sagging. With the spacers front and rear (2.5 front and 3 rear) I was sitting level with noone or nothing in the car. You put a tool box, backpack and 2 people in the thing and you were sitting at a negative rake. If you are going on a trip you will most likely have a load in the back and you will be sitting with a negative rake. The 891 are taller than stock+spacers and they are firmer which means they can carry a heavier load without sagging. I made a trip to CO with 4 people and probally 3-400 lbs of gear and I was sitting level. I love them.

2.I had 245-250 on mine at the time I changed them and I'm pretty sure they were original. When I tried to loosen the top bolt the thing broke and the shock fell to the floor. That is how I knew it was time to replace them. I know that is kind of a silly answer but truth is if you are going to all the trouble to change the coil springs you are essentially talking about removing one extra bolt to change them out. You have to remove the bottom bolt on the shock to change the coil spring. With 95K on them you might as well change them if you lifting. Like I said before, dont do like I did and make the mistake of getting factory 4runner shocks bc they dont have as much travel. Get LC shocks or something else. My stock shocks have 7.5 in of travel and I could probably go up to 10 in without worrying about loosing my spring.

Hope this helps. Wish I had listened to everyone else and I would have only done it once.

Well thank you for the advice. I'm now going to pass on the spacer lift.

Now I just need to decide whether or not to order that Complete OME lift kit from ToyTec, which installed could be $1,000 or so - or just do nothing.

Seems doing a spacer lift or even new coils is a waste of time w/o doing shocks at that time as well.

This is also a predominately on road vehicle.

I realize previous advice says a lift is not necessary as well as the video I've seen it shows it's not necessary.

Decisions decisions, ugh. I'm leaning at this point towards doing nothing.

Another option would be the 99 highlander coils and new shocks for a very slight lift - this even may be my best bet for again this predominately street vehicle.
 
Well thank you for the advice. I'm now going to pass on the spacer lift.

Now I just need to decide whether or not to order that Complete OME lift kit from ToyTec, which installed could be $1,000 or so - or just do nothing.

Seems doing a spacer lift or even new coils is a waste of time w/o doing shocks at that time as well.

This is also a predominately on road vehicle.

I realize previous advice says a lift is not necessary as well as the video I've seen it shows it's not necessary.

Decisions decisions, ugh. I'm leaning at this point towards doing nothing.

Another option would be the 99 highlander coils and new shocks for a very slight lift - this even may be my best bet for again this predominately street vehicle.

If you did my exact set up you can do a lift for 300-400 easy. No need, IMO if you are mainly an on road vehicle (which I am 95%) to spend $1000 on the toytec lift. I realize its a better lift, no question. I just don't use it enough to justify the cost.

If you try to do Black Bear without lift, sliders, & skids I promise you will do damage. If you are okay with that more power to you. You have to remember the 1st gen stock were made for that kind of thing more so than our 3rd gen stock. They had more ground clearance and I think SAS too. Just my 2cents. Either way take pictures, have fun, and share your stories afterward.
 
I'm heading to the Durango/Grand Junction area in early September for a camping trip...all the way from Austin, TX. Any cool trails/off-road drives you can recommend? I have an '07 SR5 V6...no 4WD, no lift, but I do have Nitto Terra Grapplers 265/70/17s. Not necessarily looking for anything too crazy...my off-road experience is pretty limited...just looking for some cool places to check out and some fairly remote places to swim and camp.

Check out Traildamage.com. If you come to the Denver area for some reason look me up. I can show you a few trails there.
 
I'm in Denver too and am happy to show folks around. I won't disagree with anyone about Black Bear, it's to be respected but looks scarier than it is. I've done it numerous times (even during rain once) with my Land Cruiser. I'm heading out there Saturday and am not hestitating to do it in my Runner with 3" of lift. IMHO the hardest part is the tight switchbacks after passing Bridal Veil Falls.

I think others have offered some good trails if you're heading farther east than Ouray.
 
I bought this book from Amazon before I left and it was invaluable. Since I didn't have anyone to show me around I wouldn't have felt comfortable going in blind. BUY THIS BOOK!!!

Arrived today in the mail. :)

Also have a Colorado Gazetteer and my dad's 1987 printing of The Colorado Pass Book by Don Koch.

I'm curious about getting from Lake City to Ouray on my first main start of the adventure portion of my trip.
 
Pulled the trigger on a kit from ToyTec, 891 rear coils, 3" spacers for front and diff drop kit. $315.

New shocks all around will just have to wait.

Nice to get that 5% off with this sites discount. I heart T4R.org.
 
I'm curious about getting from Lake City to Ouray on my first main start of the adventure portion of my trip.

Engineer Pass IIRC. Don't do it from Ouray otherwise you have to go back over the pass or take a long drive around the mountains.

I'm leaving for Ouray in the morning.
 
Yeah that new book I got shows Engineer going West out of Lake City towards Ouray but ending shy of there. Need to break out my gazetteer to figure it all out.

Whats the deal with camping in the wilderness out there? Are you able to make camp in unmarked places or state land or do you have to tent camp in actual campgrounds etc.

I bought a sweet hatchet.
 
Generally you can camp anywhere unless marked otherwise. I don't recall any camping along the big trails but know there are plenty of "boondocking" sites in the area. This trip I'm taking my popup so I'll be sticking to established campground.
 
Arrived today in the mail. :)

Also have a Colorado Gazetteer and my dad's 1987 printing of The Colorado Pass Book by Don Koch.

I'm curious about getting from Lake City to Ouray on my first main start of the adventure portion of my trip.

From Lake City (where I used to live) there are two main options and then a few sub-options.

1. Engineer Pass - This route starts right in Lake City, and is very easy to follow. Just follow the signs for engineer pass. Just past the summit of the pass you can choose to head straight down to Hwy 550 (to Ouray) or you can head south to Animas forks (where you'll also end up if you take option 2)

2. Cinnamon Pass - Take Hwy 149 south out of Lake City about 2 miles and then head south on County Road 30. This will take you all the way up to Cinnamon Pass. On this route you'll pass Lake San Cristobal, and American Basin. Just past the summit of Cinnamon you'll drop down into Animas Forks.

From Animas Forks you have several options: south on CR 110 to Silverton and then Ouray via Hwy 550. You could head north to pick up the west side of Engineer pass down to 550, or you can head west up California gulch which will take you over Hurricane pass and Corkscrew gulch and eventually down to Hwy 550. Additionally from the top of California gulch you can head north down Poughkeepsie gulch which will end up connecting to the far west end of Engineer pass very near Hwy 550.

So... depending how long you want this to take and how much rough road you want to see, and how much scenery you want to see you have many choices.

Poughkeepsie gulch is quite gnarly, so if you don't want to trash your rig or don't have much lift stay away.

To get the most scenery and about a 5 to 6 hour drive I would suggest this:

Take Cinnamon Pass, and stop at Lake San Cristobal if you like (only 10 min from Lake City), then continue up CR 30 all the way to the summit. If you want you can take the fork to American Basin (great views here) just before the Cinnamon Pass summit. From the summit you'll drop down to Animas Forks. Take California gulch west. Here you will find fantastic scenery, and will end up at nearly 13,000 ft elevation at the summit (just about the highest place you can drive to in the county). From here you'll begin heading down, and you can take either Poughkeepsie gulch or Hurricane Pass. Assuming you prefer to not damage your vehicle, I would take Hurricane when connects to Corkscrew gulch and will deliver you safely to Hwy 550 just south of Ouray.

Check out TrailDamage for more info and pictures.
 
I'm planning a trip for my wife and I to travel to Colorado this September for a week and do some of the mountain passes and jeep trails out there.

You might find something useful in my '05 trip report. Personally, I wouldn't like seeing lots of pics right before I visited somewhere so, if that sounds like you, you might want to skip page one.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/gallery/13977-november-2005-t4rotm-jb.html

Here's what I wrote about Black Bear.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/121788-post9.html
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/122327-post14.html

Here are a couple of good links.

http://bushducks.com/tripreps/passopen.htm
http://Mycolorado.org
 
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