4Run4YourLife
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A WHOLE 15 thousand miles??? Pics or it didn't happen.
Considering purchasing a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee
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A WHOLE 15 thousand miles??? Pics or it didn't happen.
LandCruiser
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Strangely, American cars are usually no less reliable than Japanese. Especially today.
The FJ Cruiser was one of the worst vehicles I have ever owned.
4Run4YourLife
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How about a Jeep Grand Cherokee vs. a Toyota 4runner? Are you making that claim for those two vehicles?
philsey
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Uhhh, yeeeeah, thanks?
No thanks required. I knew you knew, that was for the other 10% of us.
I always look things up that I don't understand. For example: Do you know about Pi R2?
It's wrong!
Look it up - you'll find that Pi are round, cake are square. See? Stick around, you'll learn stuff too.
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LandCruiser
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Can't be sure. I have owned several GMCs with zero problems. I have owned several Toyotas with no problems. I have friends with modern FIAT era GCs that seem to be doing fine. I almost bought one, but the 4Runner is an actuall off roader, the GC is a poser.
I don't think the Toyota of today is the same Toyota that cranked out the FJ series Land Cruisers that wouldn't die unless you let them rust to hell.
It does. It's called the Pilot.
Eeeww. Too crossovery and the variable cylinder management is just wrong.:vader:
FStephenMasek
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I rented a 2013 Grand Cherokee in may during a visit to Texas. The seat adjustment was a big problem. My 2006 Explorer and the 4runner have 10-way power seats (front of cushion up and down, back of cushion up and down, cushion back and forth, backrest back and forth, and lumbar in and out. The Jeep bottom cushion is less adjustable, since the up and down and back and forth are combined. I could not find a comfortable angle for my right leg. We were in Austin for a week buying two rental houses, then to Baylor for my niece's graduation, then to Dallas to visit my sister's family and my radio collector friend and his wife, then back to Austin, so I drove it enough to know I could never get comfortable with one.
Canazes9
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Rental Cars - That's the best use of most of the Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep products! I rented a Durango recently with AWD and the new 6. I thought it drove pretty good, but my experiences w/ Chrysler products and their lack of reliability won't allow me to buy one.
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BlackWorksInc
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Those SRT8's do look awesome pawsum! Top Gear US took one to Mammoth Mountain in the snow and it did decently.
I wouldn't compare the interior to a Bentley though, maybe a mid-level Mercedes where they got their interior parts. The current JGC is still mostly carry-over from MB/ChryCorp partnerships and has a lot of GL parts in it.
Honestly, I have found Lexus to have very comfortable seats; they're just now catching on to the idea of making nice luxury cars that actually perform (why they took so damn long to figure that out when almost every other luxury brand has been able to do it is beyond me.) But then again, Toyota doesn't play in the luxury pool much, they have another IP for that.
I've played in plenty of SRT8 products and I am honestly giddy to drive them (big honkin' 300C Sedan should not run up a hill like a ADHD kid strung out on 2 tons of rock candy; but it makes me smile still!) The issue is just relaibility and build quality really; the Hemi's have bad cylinder head problems that seem to creep up in the 50k+ range from what I have seen on some of our vehicles that have come through the dealership.
I would need to see a chart on that, because as I said earlier. People will pay for a late 90's/ early 2000's era Corolla or Camry with 200k on the clock because they still manage to run and have few problems (injectors mainly become the biggest issue at that mileage if maintained properly). I don't know ANYONE that would touch a Dodge neon, Stratus, or Intrepid with a 10ft pole with even 100k on the clock for less than scrap price.
Now I can't say about Fiat, they're taking over a problem company to expand their technology and market into the US which I think is great. Their cars in Europe are so much better than they were in the old days and they have some crazy ideas for the automotive industry (look up their camshaftless engine, pretty cool looking.) But, they're extremely young in the US market and are still using a lot of hold-over from the ChryCorps Parts bin and ChryCorp has managed to take the MB parts they got from their previous partnership and make them less reliable than in a MB.
I'm willing to give Fiat the benefit of the doubt, but really they need something like 5-10years on their vehicles (Dodge Dart II being an example of a mostly Fiat era vehicle) before I'd even consider reversing my opinion of Chrysler, even if its just a gutted, skinned, and stripped mask Fiat wears instead of an actual brand.
LandCruiser
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I don't think the Toyota that made those cars is the Toyota that is making cars today. I have had two Land Cruisers with close to 250-270k miles on the clock, an 83 and 97. I don't think quality is up to par these days.
BlackWorksInc
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I actually agree with you on that, last few years has been very subtle but obvious direction change in Toyota. They have gotten into the habit full-steam of de-contenting cars vs. inflating prices; not to mention that some of their parts are a bit suspect to me. We have a service campaign for '07-'11 Camry/Hybrid sunvisors that won't stay up properly. Not to mention Toyota is now cracking down on warranty with an Iron Fist that would make Putin blush; we have weekly audits of warranty claims where they nit pick everything and penalize the dealer, who passes it onto the customer, for every not needed clip and or bolt filed under warranty. Toyota is treading dangerous waters in my opinion with the direction their going, in their attempt to maintain against Kia/Hyundai's offerings (which everyone is trying to, to be honest since they have hit the ground running pretty damn strong past few years) they have sacrificed their usual high standard of quality to "just above the rest." Combining that with their new Service & Warranty strategies are going to make bad dealerships worse and force even good dealerships to bend the line.
But like I said, I can't make a judgement on reliability on Fiat until their vehicles have aged enough to make a difference. Toyota is still a pretty reliable and fluid company (they do have a lot of voluntary campaigns to address issues they find in vehicles as the age... to a degree, the FJ being an example as we have a reinforcement plate campaign to address what the engineers felt might be a weak point in the rear suicide doors) but they are letting them selves slip down a slippery slope and hoping their reputation will mask it and it will, but not forever. I'll still buy a Toyota/Scion/Lexus product over most any other because I know they hold up well and are built pretty well, but honestly that's today; 5-10 years from now... I'm not 100% sure given what I am seeing Toyota starting to lean towards.
philsey
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Chrysler delays 2014 JC media launch ...
"Chrysler is making the unusual move of delaying the first media drives of the 2014 Jeep Cherokee, which were slated to start next week in Seattle. And while something like this is a rare occurrence, and one that most of the Autoblog staff can't recall happening this publicly or so close to the event itself, it won't effect the actual on-sale date of the new Cherokee, which is set to hit showrooms in September.
"Over the last couple of weeks during final quality and durability testing, we have discovered the opportunity to further improve powertrain calibration," Chrysler told Automotive News. This marks the second notable delay in the Cherokee's short life, after production was delayed for roughly a month earlier this summer.
Still, we'd rather Chrysler make sure the Cherokee is ready for primetime before flying media in from around the country. It shows a willingness to get things right the first time, rather than offering media drives and then tweaking the car after the fact.
A simple look at the Cherokee's powertrain is all that's needed to understand how big of a deal it is. Everything under the oddly styled CUV's hood is new, from a tweaked 2.4-liter engine to a new 3.2-liter V-6, to the first use of Chrysler Group's new nine-speed automatic, developed jointly with ZF. The pressure to get this right must be immense. We'll find out if Chrysler succeeds in September."
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2014 Jeep Cherokee Photo Gallery - Autoblog
I LOVE this: "...we have discovered the opportunity to further improve powertrain calibration...." aka "somthin's effed up".
"Chrysler is making the unusual move of delaying the first media drives of the 2014 Jeep Cherokee, which were slated to start next week in Seattle. And while something like this is a rare occurrence, and one that most of the Autoblog staff can't recall happening this publicly or so close to the event itself, it won't effect the actual on-sale date of the new Cherokee, which is set to hit showrooms in September.
"Over the last couple of weeks during final quality and durability testing, we have discovered the opportunity to further improve powertrain calibration," Chrysler told Automotive News. This marks the second notable delay in the Cherokee's short life, after production was delayed for roughly a month earlier this summer.
Still, we'd rather Chrysler make sure the Cherokee is ready for primetime before flying media in from around the country. It shows a willingness to get things right the first time, rather than offering media drives and then tweaking the car after the fact.
A simple look at the Cherokee's powertrain is all that's needed to understand how big of a deal it is. Everything under the oddly styled CUV's hood is new, from a tweaked 2.4-liter engine to a new 3.2-liter V-6, to the first use of Chrysler Group's new nine-speed automatic, developed jointly with ZF. The pressure to get this right must be immense. We'll find out if Chrysler succeeds in September."
cite:
2014 Jeep Cherokee Photo Gallery - Autoblog
I LOVE this: "...we have discovered the opportunity to further improve powertrain calibration...." aka "somthin's effed up".
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4Run4YourLife
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I put 203,000 miles on my 2004 4runner before I sold it and bought this 2012 4runner.
The only problem it ever had was a bad catalytic converter and O2 sensor. It didn't effect the performance, so I never even fixed it (quoted $1200 to repair). I sold that 4runner in 6 hours on Craigslist with the cc/o2 issue fully disclosed in the ad.
My current 4runner came with a lifetime powertrain warranty. My son will be driving it when he turns 16 years old. He is currently only 16 months old.
I wasn't a fanboy (yes, I am a fanboy) until that '04 4runner. Truthfully, I didn't even like Toyota. I thought they were overpriced and boring. It was my wife's vehicle before we got married and it ended up being my daily driver after she got a company car and I sold my truck. It won me over.
4Run4YourLife
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I don't like the sounds of this. I know they need to compete, but I hope they figure out a way to keep quality high.
I think 90%+ of those bashing Jeep have never owned one and are just regurgitating what they "heard" on the interwebz. I have owned 6 Jeeps from 1985 to 2007. I only had issue with one and that was a Grand Cherokee (2006). Transmission crapped out at 45k miles. Aside from that every Jeep (CJ, TJ JK) that I have owned have been flawless and I beat the living shit out of them.
OP based on past experience with a JGC I would steer clear but I have not had any dealing with the new ones.
OP based on past experience with a JGC I would steer clear but I have not had any dealing with the new ones.
I have owned every generation of JGC, a 3rd, 4th and 2 5th Gen 4Runners. The latest Jeep JGC was a 2012 Laredo X 3.6L and current T4R is a TE. The 11-13 JGC are much better than the prior JGCs. My 12 Laredo X was MSRP 39,9xx...the same as my 13 TE. With the JGC I got 6500 off MSRP with minimal haggling compared to 3000 off TE. JGC gave me leather, dual climate, remote start, keyless access, much better stereo, power lifgate, selec terrain 4wd, moonroof, tow pkg, load leveling shocks, 18" wheels with Michelins, tow hooks and skid plate pkg. The JGC was nicer inside....by far. Seats were more comfy, 4wd system was good for a daily driver. 3.6 performance was about the same as 4R. JGC had less wind noise and drove more like a car (uniframe). I MAINLY dumped it to go back to a 4R so I could get out of something everyone has and get a vehicle like the TE that is solid, reliable, simple, different and holds its value. The issues with my 2012 were headliner rattle when sunroof shade closed. Tiny rust spots in all door jambs. Dual climate system was making noise when shutting off/on in cold weather (potential huge $$$$$$ bill out of warranty), high pitched whine at decel 44mph on cold days (diff or transfer case I would think) and load leveling shocks replaced for clunk per TSB. The chrysler dealers are a horrible place to spend a day waiting for your JGC to be fixed/serviced. I would give the 2012 a 7 out of 10 mainly for features and ride quality. It loses a LOT of value FAST. The market is flooded with them and rental agencies. TE is more of a truck, its cool, different and will hold it's value like no other SUV. That's my take. Go to jeep garage forum. For some reason the '14s were having lots of issues....more than the 11-13s and if you do get a JGC do NOT get the air suspension.
Steamfitter
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I looked at the Gc and the ram 1500. They're nice looking in the lot, and you get more features for your money. That's why they are so popular. If you're smart enough to research a vehicle before you make your purchase, I don't see how you could possibly justify buying the Gc. I read up on this outside of toyota forums and the opinions I read mirrored the ones you read here. Also as for Ram trucks, I have never had so many people who owned the truck and told me to never buy one as the dodge ram series. I know you are talking about the Gc, but it's the same company and the few people I know with jeeps say they are a POS too.
BlackWorksInc
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You're right I have not owned a Jeep myself, I know those who own them as daily drivers and as off-road machines. I also see plenty of Jeeps among other brands come through our dealership as used cars that I inspect and repair. So when I base a statement like "Jeeps are unreliable or so and so vehicle has problems" its because I have had the same make and model come through my stall for many of the same problems that I see a pattern. I will give the Jeeps credit though, unlike dodge trucks, the dashboards don't disintegrate into cheap cracker like plastic.
We've put the Jeep and Durango on our list of comparisions - There's not a lot of smaller suv's with V8's to choose from.
Having had a jeep liberty in the past, it was actually fairly flawless, but I will admit I would rather go to the dentist than go to the dealer for concerns. There's just something about chrysler dealers that get my back up...
I do also prefer the unibody feeling of the JGC for highway cruising, but I've only spent maybe 5 minutes on the highway in a 4runner so not entirely a fair comparison.
I have no doubt that the 4 runner will be more reliable and keep it's resale, while the jeep has more bells and whistles. The durango also has some nice family features that toyota doesnt offer.
Sort of looking like should wait for the 2014's though, as it looks like they've updated the features nicely.
Having had a jeep liberty in the past, it was actually fairly flawless, but I will admit I would rather go to the dentist than go to the dealer for concerns. There's just something about chrysler dealers that get my back up...
I do also prefer the unibody feeling of the JGC for highway cruising, but I've only spent maybe 5 minutes on the highway in a 4runner so not entirely a fair comparison.
I have no doubt that the 4 runner will be more reliable and keep it's resale, while the jeep has more bells and whistles. The durango also has some nice family features that toyota doesnt offer.
Sort of looking like should wait for the 2014's though, as it looks like they've updated the features nicely.
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