Cymon's Weekend Warrior and MFD Thread

One thing that I’ve been researching and trying to figure out for a while is a better storage system for the back of the 4runner. When camping/exploring we’ve just been using storage bins. I like the practicality of just loading up the bins of equipment that we need but it does make it a pain when they are stacked and lashed to get what we want out quickly without the whole cargo area turning into a mess. So after looking through many threads and ideas this is what I came up with for now based on the following requirements.

1) Low enough height to be able to still put the dog crate, cooler and travel bins/suitcases on top. I lose about 6” already with the 3rd row.
2) Modularity: I needed the storage to be easily removable, and to be split so that we could put one 3rd row seat up at a time, and even potentially stack the storage boxes.
3) Secure attachment points.

As of now we are using under-the-bed storage bins from the container store that fit snugly in each section with about 6” of space to be able to put things that I want to easily access (towels, diaper changer, picnic blanket, etc.). One bin is filled with my paired down recovery equipment, emergency kit and tools. The other is filled with basic camping supplies, lights/flashlights.

The two storage sections are attached to the factory hooks with d-rings and then attached to each other with bolts and wingnuts, which allow it to work as one solid piece. To split them so we can use one of the 3rd row I just unhook one of the sides and unscrew it from the other section. I can take the system in and out of the truck or change it into the ½ section in less than 10 minutes.

Final step was I cut and attached an old Indoor/Outdoor carpet we had at our back door to create a softer surface on top of the wood boxes.

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This is exactly what I'm looking for to add in 4runner! I like the simplicity of this build as I experience the same issue when moving constantly (as military) and taking long trips especially with kids. This will be my project before my next trip in the summer. If you don't mind, can you share dimensions, materials, tools used?
 
This is exactly what I'm looking for to add in 4runner! I like the simplicity of this build as I experience the same issue when moving constantly (as military) and taking long trips especially with kids. This will be my project before my next trip in the summer. If you don't mind, can you share dimensions, materials, tools used?

I’ll get the measurements and other materials list to you and posted ASAP.
 
No rush, thanks!


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Here is the materials list. I also posted as an edit in the original post. The length and width of the boxes are pretty close to the max size you can do if you want them to be matching sizes, match the third row so that you can use one side at a time if needed and still use the factory tie downs. The height can be adjusted/cut to meet whatever storage needs you want underneath. Honestly it was hard to find bins that fit under this, best to look for under-bed storage bins. The container store ones we found were 6.25"H x 27"L x 16"W. I went with the 6.5" tall sides as it left the total height of the storage unit to just under 7.5" tall. This gives enough room for our dog crate on top if needed and also for our cooler, or potentially an ARB 50qt refrigerator or other travel fridge in the future. If you have any other questions or need additional pics, let me know.

Materials:
- 2 x 4x8x3/4 Birch Hardwood Plywood:
Tops: 2x 18.5"W x 32"L
Sides: 4x 6.5"H x 32"L
Backs: 2x 6.5"H x 17"W
- Wood Glue
- 1.5" Wood Screws
- 2x 2" Bolts (I used extra that I have for our hurricane shutters) with wing nuts.
- 4x 1.5" Wire Rings https://www.homedepot.com/p/Keeper-1-1-2-in-Wire-Ring-2-Pack-04521/203294978?cm_mmc=Shopping%7CTHD%7Cgoogle%7C&mid=shFwgTTzb%7Cdc_mtid_8903tb925190_pcrid_111415246385_pkw__pmt__product_203294978_slid_&gclid=Cj0KCQiAkZHTBRCBARIsAMbXLhHJEWoP_4lSFHGaO4kmdUA1HLCqtlkTTwODpRzMo0_o2_vmwJMxxTEaAvvaEALw_wcB Used to attach to factory tie-downs.
- 4x twist lock carabiner https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-3-16-in-Zinc-Plated-Quick-Link-42714/205887919 To attach the wire rings to the factory tie-downs.
 

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Thanks a lot! Just to confirm you needed 2 pieces of 4x8’ birch plywoods? Sorry the spacing threw me off, I’m a little OCD lol.


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Thanks a lot! Just to confirm you needed 2 pieces of 4x8’ birch plywoods? Sorry the spacing threw me off, I’m a little OCD lol.


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Yes, I bought two so I would have enough left over if I screwed up on the cutting. Fortunately I didn’t, so I have some leftover for potential future projects.
 
Great ride here Cymon, really digging the practicality of every decision you've made.
I'm in the same boat; young family, having fun in a daily driver with more than enough offroad capability.

I currently have Grabber HTS60 265s on my truck and after reading your post about tires I've been trying to do as much research on them as I can.
How are the Cooper AT3 275s treating you?
 
Great ride here Cymon, really digging the practicality of every decision you've made.
I'm in the same boat; young family, having fun in a daily driver with more than enough offroad capability.

I currently have Grabber HTS60 265s on my truck and after reading your post about tires I've been trying to do as much research on them as I can.
How are the Cooper AT3 275s treating you?

To be honest I couldn't be happier. They have been everything that I expected from the tire upgrade over stock and have exceeded my expectations in some areas. At this time I have about 15,000 miles on them and there is very little treadwear. Coming from the stock size HTS60 you will notice slightly more road noise (but very good for a LT All-terrain). I have averaged about .5 mpg loss in fuel efficiency over my stock dunlops. I run them at 42-44 psi depending on how loaded the vehicle is. If the tire pressure drops below 40 psi I notice a much bigger drop in mpg's. In terms of performance, the have been great on highway and around town. At first you can notice the extra weight a little bit from start but I don't notice the extra weight any more. The ride is slightly stiffer, but in no means harsh, just firmer, again what you expect from a LT tire (I have load range C). Below are how I would rate them in different terrains, purely subjective, but they have performed well in everything that I have thrown at them.

Highway/Dry Traction - Very Good
Wet Traction - Excellent
Sand - Very Good
Mud - Very Good (better than expected)
Snow - Very Good (better than expected)
Ice - Average (what I would expect from any all terrain that is not a winter dedicated tire)
Rock - Excellent

This is a vast improvement over all areas from my stock size dunlops, which I would rate like this.
Highway/Dry Traction - Very Good
Wet Traction - Average
Sand - Average
Mud - Poor
Snow - Below Average
Ice - Terrible
Rock - Below Average

Hope this helps, If you have any other questions let me know.
 
To be honest I couldn't be happier. They have been everything that I expected from the tire upgrade over stock and have exceeded my expectations in some areas. At this time I have about 15,000 miles on them and there is very little treadwear. Coming from the stock size HTS60 you will notice slightly more road noise (but very good for a LT All-terrain). I have averaged about .5 mpg loss in fuel efficiency over my stock dunlops. I run them at 42-44 psi depending on how loaded the vehicle is. If the tire pressure drops below 40 psi I notice a much bigger drop in mpg's. In terms of performance, the have been great on highway and around town. At first you can notice the extra weight a little bit from start but I don't notice the extra weight any more. The ride is slightly stiffer, but in no means harsh, just firmer, again what you expect from a LT tire (I have load range C). Below are how I would rate them in different terrains, purely subjective, but they have performed well in everything that I have thrown at them.



Highway/Dry Traction - Very Good

Wet Traction - Excellent

Sand - Very Good

Mud - Very Good (better than expected)

Snow - Very Good (better than expected)

Ice - Average (what I would expect from any all terrain that is not a winter dedicated tire)

Rock - Excellent



This is a vast improvement over all areas from my stock size dunlops, which I would rate like this.

Highway/Dry Traction - Very Good

Wet Traction - Average

Sand - Average

Mud - Poor

Snow - Below Average

Ice - Terrible

Rock - Below Average



Hope this helps, If you have any other questions let me know.



This is excellent information, thank you for your time in writing this up.

I'm hesitant about E rated 285s being waaaaay too much tire for me and my family's needs. While cool as hell and nice to have, I just can't justify the potential for marked mpg/power loss at this point for a daily driver.

Ordered the Cooper AT3 275 C load this afternoon, should arrive sometime next week.


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This is excellent information, thank you for your time in writing this up.

I'm hesitant about E rated 285s being waaaaay too much tire for me and my family's needs. While cool as hell and nice to have, I just can't justify the potential for marked mpg/power loss at this point for a daily driver.

Ordered the Cooper AT3 275 C load this afternoon, should arrive sometime next week.


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Awesome, I don’t think you’ll be disappointed in your decision. Post some pics, loved to see them once installed!

:cheers:
 
I also can’t say enough about Smuggler’s Notch as a family resort. We haven’t found a better ski resort East of the Mississippi.

Have you tried Okemo in Ludlow VT? Thats our usual stomping grounds. Its in southern VT and very family friendly. Haven;t been to smugglers in the winter, but its beautiful in the summer.

Yup, back to sweating in the flatlands of South Florida.

ugh... I hate ball soup
 
Have you tried Okemo in Ludlow VT? Thats our usual stomping grounds. Its in southern VT and very family friendly. Haven;t been to smugglers in the winter, but its beautiful in the summer.

My wife and I have before kids and really liked it, and actually it was on our short list a couple of years ago to go back to with the youngsters because of how family friendly we heard it was. The thing that really brought us up there was their Little Rascals on Snow program for 2.5 year olds (which is all day child care and take them out twice during the day for one on one ski-exploration/lessons). Also with their family package 3-4 year all day ski school is included, and once your kid turns 5 it’s still 50% off.
 
1-Up USA

1-Up USA Bike Rack
I’ve been researching for a long time and squirreling away $ deciding on what type of hitch mounted bike rack to get for our 4runner. I almost pulled the trigger this fall, but that was when an announcement came from the designer of the original 1-up USA quick rack came out that he had made a new rack that was cheaper, lighter and improved upon his original design (called the Quick Rack Mach II). I decided to wait a couple of months to see what it was like and to get some initial reviews as it was supposed to be released in December. By January the release kept getting pushed off and the first orders now were supposedly going to be coming out in April. I couldn’t wait any longer. I decided to go the buy once cry once option and get the tried and true 1-up USA heavy-duty rack with two add-ons in black.

Why 1-Up for me:

I really liked the new Thule Pro and Kuat NV2, and they could have saved me a couple hundred dollars (especially with the REI member 20% coupons), but they didn’t check off as many of the boxes of what I wanted out of my rack as the 1-Up. Here were the main ones that they other companies couldn’t match.

· 1-Up could fit all of my family’s bike sizes. All of the other companies can fit bikes with 20” wheels or larger, but the 1-up can also be adjusted to 16” size, which I needed for my Daughter’s bike. I actually was able to adjust the rack in such a way to fit my Son’s 12” balance bike.

· Mounts in a 2, 3 and 4 bike layout. We go the heavy duty 2-bike rack that allows for up to two 1-bike add-ons to be attached. All other racks are only 2 bikes with a 2 bike add-ons for either a 2 or 4 bike configuration.

· Tiered trays to allow for better bike fitment and allows for better departure angles with the 4 bike tray. I don’t regularly travel out into the backcountry to bike (especially here in Florida) but I do want the ability to travel with the bikes for many of our adventures, on and off-road.

· Beefy, these racks are heavier then the competitors and are seriously overbuilt (this is not a bad thing in my opinion). They also lock into the hitch for a complete no-wobble attachment.

· All aluminum, no plastic for hopefully years and years of use without replacement.

· Compact storage. These racks fold up small and I can easily store them on one shelf in my garage.



Con’s (that I honestly new about when buying the rack)

· Locking system – There is no integrated locking system. I bought their hitch lock, which doesn’t allow a person access the anti-wobble screw so theoretically someone couldn’t remove the rack from the hitch. I also bought their add-on locks, which do the same thing for the two rack add-ons I purchased. In addition I got the bike wheel locks, which lock your bike to the rack through the spokes/wheel of the bikes. Due to quick release wheels on my wife and my bikes, this is only a deterrent, but should work for quick stops. I also will likely lock all bikes to the rack using conventional kryptonite cable and u-locks. Again this isn’t going to stop most bike thieves that have any amount of time, but will work as well as any of the other bike rack company’s integrated locks.

· Tilting mechanism - The 1-up USA tilting mechanism is under the rack, which is not as convenient as the competition’s and can be finicky. They do have a EZ-Pull mechanism that can be added to replicate the end pull mechanism found on the new Thule rack, and I’ll probably add that at least for the 4-bike configuration in the near future.



Final Thoughts:

We’ve only had the rack for about a month, but I couldn’t be happier with our decision. It is everything that I hoped the rack was going to be in terms of easy use, quick mounting and build quality. It also exceeded expectations in that I was even able to mount my Son’s 12” balance bike. We’ve been out riding a couple of times and it has worked perfectly. My kids actually got their first taste of real trail riding (I refuse to call it mountain biking in South Florida) as I took them out for their first off-road riding at a local Mountain Bike Park (they held their own on all of the green runs, about 2 miles, even my Son on his balance bike). Bought and definitely not crying on this 4runner addition.
 

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Summary:

This was such a great learning experience for someone who wants to learn more about the capabilities of their vehicle. This was the 101 course. [MENTION=119302]4RunnerAquasport[/MENTION] also took their 201 and Winch/Recovery course. They also offer an “Overlanding” Course. I feel so much more comfortable with my vehicle and what it can do. The biggest issue I have is that my stock vehicle made it through just fine (except for some banged up skid plates) and now I can't justify to my wife spending $...lol. Kyle our instructor was fantastic and I can't wait to make it back up for the 201 course at some point!

I enjoyed your write up of this course, so much that it inspired my first post! Thanks for putting it together and informing me that there are courses like this available. I'm new to the 4x4 scene and bought my 4R in December. I've been itching to do something like this to better familiarize myself with my 4R. Unfortunately, I don't live in FL but hopefully my search renders some opportunities like this one near by. Thanks again!
 
I enjoyed your write up of this course, so much that it inspired my first post! Thanks for putting it together and informing me that there are courses like this available. I'm new to the 4x4 scene and bought my 4R in December. I've been itching to do something like this to better familiarize myself with my 4R. Unfortunately, I don't live in FL but hopefully my search renders some opportunities like this one near by. Thanks again!

Thanks! I'm still amazed at what this vehicle is capable of in mostly stock form.

The course I took is actually in Pennsylvania. Here is a group (a little more expensive) but they have more locations. The closest to you would be North Carolina.
Overland Experts training locations

If you ever have any questions don't hesitate to ask.
 
So I'm on summer break, time to update the thread. Bear with me as it will take a few posts. To tide you over here our some pics of our final field trip where another science teacher and myself took our middle schoolers out shark tagging. We tagged an 8.5 foot Lemon, a 8 foot Sandbar, 10 foot Nurse and a beast of an 8.5 foot Bull. All within 500 yards of the shore off of Dania Beach (between Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale).
 

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Big Cypress February 2018

Day 1

We decided to make the most of the cooler than average weather and get out Camping at Big Cypress National forest. We stayed at Bear Island, which is about 2 hours from our house. It’s about an hour drive to the Big Cypress visitor’s center, and then about another hour down an unimproved, dirt road to the campsite. We were in the middle of nowhere Florida and because it is not near any of the other RV camping areas we had our pick of the 40+ campsites. There were only 5 other groups camping in the whole area, which by Florida standards is pretty secluded. There is an ORV only area in Bear Island, which you need to take a test get a license and pay for $100 permit. I took the test online and got the license but did not pay for the permit. The off-roading there I’ve heard is subpar and potentially a lot of water (swamp water), which just isn’t worth the risk for me. No snorkel, no lift, no mudding, no hydrolock. The bugs were pretty much a no-show and it got down into the 60’s at night, which made the camping one of the most enjoyable so far here in South Florida.
 

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