Dealer sold last car for more than I paid new!?

[Gunslinger-13]

You didn't get a good education then.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Okay then. I learned enough to negotiate a few once in a lifetime deals and have always bought vehicles on the lowest of the low end.

Regardless of the "education I received" and your experience, how is it that I bought vehicles from brokers for 7-10% less than what the dealer would write them for and that in your opinion = "Brokers are a scam"?

If there scam was to sell me a quality vehicle for 7-10% less than I could buy the comparable vehicle at a dealer, than that's a "Scam" I can get on board with.

 

[90goldtsiawd]

Okay then. I learned enough to negotiate a few once in a lifetime deals and have always bought vehicles on the lowest of the low end.



Regardless of the "education I received" and your experience, how is it that I bought vehicles from brokers for 7-10% less than what the dealer would write them for and that in your opinion = "Brokers are a scam"?



If there scam was to sell me a quality vehicle for 7-10% less than I could buy the comparable vehicle at a dealer, than that's a "Scam" I can get on board with.

Maybe you're not good at negotiating with a dealer? Might wanna get your lungs checked cuz you got fed a healthy dose of the smoke and mirrors package.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Gunslinger-13]

Maybe you're not good at negotiating with a dealer? Might wanna get your lungs checked cuz you got fed a healthy dose of the smoke and mirrors package.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Lungs are just fine.

The prices I negotiated and the dealers wrote were at the bottom of the spectrum for the vehicles I was looking to buy; very good deals. Again, the broker just beat them out.

Look, I get it, you sell cars for a dealer. There's no way anyone could have gotten a good deal from anyone other than a dealer; especially not a scam artist broker- it's impossible, unfathomable, mountains would crumble and the world would freeze over...

The reality of my experiences is just that, reality. You can hurl insults and antagonize me all you want, it doesn't change anything for me and definitely won't sway me to look at dealers differently;in fact the way in which you are speaking to me just reaffirms my distaste for dealers.

I personally have no skin in the dealer VS broker battle you are waging here. I just go with who gives me the better deals and pass on my experiences to others.

 

[90goldtsiawd]

Lungs are just fine.



The prices I negotiated and the dealers wrote were at the bottom of the spectrum for the vehicles I was looking to buy; very good deals. Again, the broker just beat them out.



Look, I get it, you sell cars for a dealer. There's no way anyone could have gotten a good deal from anyone other than a dealer; especially not a scam artist broker- it's impossible, unfathomable, mountains would crumble and the world would freeze over...



The reality of my experiences is just that, reality. You can hurl insults and antagonize me all you want, it doesn't change anything for me and definitely won't sway me to look at dealers differently;in fact the way in which you are speaking to me just reaffirms my distaste for dealers.



I personally have no skin in the dealer VS broker battle you are waging here. I just go with who gives me the better deals and pass on my experiences to others.

Do you even understand how brokers get deals? They buy more cars than a customer does from dealers so sometimes they can buy a car for say 22-2300 behind invoice depending on holdback but generally it's 1000-1500-2000(stop me if you don't understand). Then they'll mark the car back up to make their own commissions and charge it to you. Nobody works for free. But if you are patient enough to work dealers enough you can get a deal at or near these numbers without the middle man. Sorry you don't get it but I thought you said you knew the business. You wanna buy a car easier just use truecar it's the same shit.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[90goldtsiawd]

Btw your first statements were calling us stealerships and that you worked in the business so you knew how everything worked. I'm sorry the facts I gave you aren't what you wanted to hear.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Gunslinger-13]

Btw your first statements were calling us stealerships and that you worked in the business so you knew how everything worked. I'm sorry the facts I gave you aren't what you wanted to hear.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not all dealerships are stealerships, but I'm sure you know many are. There is a stigma for a reason. I have seen enough of it to have that opinion.

I worked for two good dealerships, an okay one and one bad one.

I doubt anyone knows how "Everything works" in a given business. They know the specific model they utilize and are aware of others and some even have great expertise, but to think anyone knows everything is naive.

I never claimed to know everything, nor did I say or imply such a thing. Just that I know more than the average dude out to buy a car from my time learning/working at dealerships and my time negotiating and buying from both dealerships and brokers.

There's nothing more to say about this really. It's getting circular and going nowhere.

I didn't mean any ill intent towards you and I am not taking what you said personally either.

We all have different experiences. I'm not gonna preach to you about how you're wrong and I'm right because of X or Y factor, I'm simply going to share my experiences with others and allow them to form their own opinions. If they decide to give a broker a try and it works out for them- great, if it doesn't, oh well. We are all adults and can make decisions for ourselves.

I'm going to continue to buy cars as I have in the past- go to dealers, private sellers and brokers alike, negotiate the heck out of the deal and buy them from the person who gives me the lowest price possible, be it from a dealer, private seller or a broker.

Like I said, the best deal I ever got was from a dealer, it was good timing.

Take care.

 

[90goldtsiawd]

What auto brokers did you use?



Any suggestions for successful negotiating at dealerships? I usually look up car values for trade in then look at the vehicle asking prices... seems like there is a several thousand $ markup on price from the trade. Is it reasonable to negotiate off the "trade in value" of what the dealer paid for the car? Seems reasonable that the dealer would make a few thousand off the transaction, however it is over the top when they are making over 5k on a used car sale...

Most dealers use Galves for wholesale value. You have to buy a subscription to Galves. KBB is garbage and pulls their info out of thin air. We also compare auction sale values(MMR) and use tools like VAuto to price and appraise pre-owned cars and trade-ins. We pay good money for these tools that are not readily available to the public. There's no set value on what someone can or should make on a car. You can mark up a car as much as you want but it doesn't mean your going to get it. Lots of people use online websites for car searching now so dealers that are up to date use these same kind of tools to price online(VAuto for example). That's why you see lots of stores now not offering any negotiating room with online prices because there's no point to price a car high online when 20 others are lower and you're not going to have any traffic come in at a high price. The internet has changed the game.

 

[90goldtsiawd]

Not all dealerships are stealerships, but I'm sure you know many are. There is a stigma for a reason. I have seen enough of it to have that opinion.

I worked for two good dealerships, an okay one and one bad one.

I doubt anyone knows how "Everything works" in a given business. They know the specific model they utilize and are aware of others and some even have great expertise, but to think anyone knows everything is naive.

I never claimed to know everything, nor did I say or imply such a thing. Just that I know more than the average dude out to buy a car from my time learning/working at dealerships and my time negotiating and buying from both dealerships and brokers.

There's nothing more to say about this really. It's getting circular and going nowhere.

I didn't mean any ill intent towards you and I am not taking what you said personally either.

We all have different experiences. I'm not gonna preach to you about how you're wrong and I'm right because of X or Y factor, I'm simply going to share my experiences with others and allow them to form their own opinions. If they decide to give a broker a try and it works out for them- great, if it doesn't, oh well. We are all adults and can make decisions for ourselves.

I'm going to continue to buy cars as I have in the past- go to dealers, private sellers and brokers alike, negotiate the heck out of the deal and buy them from the person who gives me the lowest price possible, be it from a dealer, private seller or a broker.

Like I said, the best deal I ever got was from a dealer, it was good timing.

Take care.

To be honest with you who the hell has the time to do all that? Go online, look up incentives and invoices on what you want and make some phone calls and counter it back to the local dealer you're going to service with. You shouldn't need to do much else other than test drive. Time is money and I can't see how people wanna waste weeks or months to do this over what, a couple hundred dollars? F that. Give the deal to the guy you test drove the car with and didn't buy as long as his price is in line with what you've shopped and he's nice enough.

 

[BrianSD_42]

Having owned and sold close to 20 cars privately in my lifetime, I'd much rather take a few grand hit at the dealer than have to deal with the one - in - ten douchebags who think that because they bought a car from you they're entitled to a lifetime of tech support on the thing

How is this even a thing. Once sold the car is their problem.

Next time you consider selling a used car setup a Google voice account on your extra Gmail account, then use that phone number for the CL deal. Once the deal is done just turn off Google voice. The number you gave them will be effectively dead.

 

[Thefishguy77]

When ever I have bought a used rig at a dealership I always look for the youngest sales person. I then try and get them to tell me how long the rig has been on the lot. They only sit for so long on average before they go to auction. That's when you can move in for a good deal. And a big part of the stealership name is how much they charge for parts.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[cfranck1]

This is how most every day is for me being in the parts dept...

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/7ObG14P8bVQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Link for the video..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ObG14P8bVQ

 

[Thefishguy77]

Video won't play. My comment was not based on generic parts vs OEM. It's based on apples to apples for parts. Wish the video would play. I am sure it's very funny


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[mckennar]

How is this even a thing. Once sold the car is their problem.

You know this. I know this. The standard bill of sale printed up and signed by both parties states this. Yet every now and then you get buyers who don't think this applies to them.

Unfortunately, even with the Google Voice number, obfuscated "burner" craigslist email addresses, and meeting in a public place that isn't my house... my home address is still on the title that I give the buyer.

I could write a book on the topic, but I'll leave you with an anecdote:

I sold a car (2005 Subaru Legacy GT Wagon 5-spd Stage III) to an employee of the tuner where I'd had 5-figures worth of engine and gearbox work done at over the course of my ownership of the car... only for him to get fired a few weeks later and try to force me to "buy it back" because he couldn't afford the car note.

One night he put the car in my driveway and then called the cops to report it stolen, telling them I stole it because it was in my driveway. Unbeknownst to him, I'd moved the weekend prior and the house was vacant.

So yeah, I'm over private sales.

 

[amalik]

I've negotiated every time with the brokers. And I have done my due diligence as to whom is less expensive.

With the one exception I noted above, I bought every vehicle for 7-10% less than what I could have at a dealership. I pitted them against each other and the brokers always made a better deal.

I worked at several car dealerships in my youth. I know the games.

What's an auto broker? Like those car auctions? Or autotrader.com??