Depression

I am absolutely livid about that... I never really Identified myself as an "Aspie" but I am just disgusted and angry that they would do something so underhanded. I don't deny it being an Autistic Spectrum disorder, but it is very thoughtless and cruel in my opinion to lump everyone into one "Spectrum" where we're not seen as people with a disorder, but rather a "Level 5 ASD" or whatever BS they want to use. The point is I understand the need to simplify it better, but it alienates not only those with Asperger's but other variations of Autism, the Spectrum should be used as a measure of severity, functionality, and manageability; NOT as a way to just lump a ton of people under a very vague spectrum and strip not only Hans Asperger of his work, but those of us who have learned to identify themselves and accept who they are as a result of the diagnosis... now I'm just "high-functioning ASD #whatever".

I am not at all happy with the DSM and the writers can take their manual and shove it where the sun don't shine.
 
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he can already buy 100 ferrari's

Well I never heard of them until this thread but that doesn't mean anything.

One thing is for sure, they are not a non-profit and they definitely make money off each scan.
"Amen’s father is a Lebanese immigrant who worked his way up from poverty to chairman of the board of Unified Grocers, a $4 billion company. “People need to understand,” Amen points out. “I don’t do this for the money. My family’s rich!”"

Dr Daniel Amen interview: the shrink who believes technology will replace the couch - Telegraph
 
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Man the last couple days has been rough. Something about holidays.

You're not alone. I freaking HATE the holidays. Every year I think about just going out of town from Thanksgiving-Jan 1. But, unfortunately that's just not realistic.
I do my best to "put on a happy face" for my wife because she loves the holidays, especially Christmas. Which I understand, because her family is awesome. We just had vastly different holiday experiences while growing up. Now that we have a kid of our own, we're trying to give him the type of experiences she had while growing up.
 
You're not alone. I freaking HATE the holidays. Every year I think about just going out of town from Thanksgiving-Jan 1. But, unfortunately that's just not realistic.
I do my best to "put on a happy face" for my wife because she loves the holidays, especially Christmas. Which I understand, because her family is awesome. We just had vastly different holiday experiences while growing up. Now that we have a kid of our own, we're trying to give him the type of experiences she had while growing up.

props to you man, i wish my parents put on a happy face for me when i was younger.
 
The holidays bring us closer but also reveal the things that did not work. Take it from me the journey with good self care gets easier. I had to walk head down to the MD for YEARS until the dark days passed. Long ago now it seems but then it was chewing leather every day. The medications finally helped when they developed them. It was worth every down day. Now, years later I pat myself on the back each day. Probably depression free (I still get down days) for twenty ++ years. So glad I made it you have no idea.
 
The holidays should be a happy time but there are so many people struggling, it's sad.

You see it everywhere you go especially on the road.

I hope some happiness comes your way.
 
Picked up a bottle of 5htp while in costco, heard about this stuff, gonna take it for a while see if it helps, anyone has tried this stuff? suppose to raise serotonin level, which is what we lack for those of us who have biological depression
 
Picked up a bottle of 5htp while in costco, heard about this stuff, gonna take it for a while see if it helps, anyone has tried this stuff? suppose to raise serotonin level, which is what we lack for those of us who have biological depression

Due respect man. the medications designed to raise serrotonin levels do so by preventing the distribution (reuptake) in the body. If you get benefit then there is little to be concerned about. Use as directed. If your depression is not responding list your symptoms and see a qualified MD. Eat a real healthy diet avoid sweets and sodas (these cause ups and down in blood sugar which frequently feels like depression) and get sleep at least 6 -9 hours per sleep cycle.

Depression can be among the most serious illnesses so be honest with yourself about it. Let us know if the supplement works….Be well.
 
Well little update report, 5htp was some what of a failure, it would have some placebo effect on me but after a while it's pretty much useless, keeping myself busy has been the key, but the last couple of days has been terrible, it's like my mind is trying to go against me, every time when i stop doing anything the mind just goes haywire, terrible thoughts, which made sleeping very difficult, the last 4 days i had to resort to medication to put me to sleep even then 5 hours is most i get out of it. for those who has been battling this for years, how do you guy keep the bad thoughts away the instant something negative happen in your life, i would be doing okay and one little hiccup can put me in the cloud again.
 
Well little update report, 5htp was some what of a failure, it would have some placebo effect on me but after a while it's pretty much useless, keeping myself busy has been the key, but the last couple of days has been terrible, it's like my mind is trying to go against me, every time when i stop doing anything the mind just goes haywire, terrible thoughts, which made sleeping very difficult, the last 4 days i had to resort to medication to put me to sleep even then 5 hours is most i get out of it. for those who has been battling this for years, how do you guy keep the bad thoughts away the instant something negative happen in your life, i would be doing okay and one little hiccup can put me in the cloud again.

I know it's been a long time, someone recently reminded me this thread existed (ah, **** it... [MENTION=2]Thai[/MENTION] go eat a cookie buddy), but I'll try to answer your question as best as I can from my experience.

For those who has been battling this for years, how do you guy keep the bad thoughts away the instant something negative happen in your life, i would be doing okay and one little hiccup can put me in the cloud again.

You don't... The negative thoughts will never go away, they'll always be there gnawing at you, waiting for you to screw up so they can slap you in the face with a big "I told you so! You suck, here's proof". It's not about making the thoughts go away, it's about how you learn to manage/deal with them. Even normal people have negative thoughts and suicidal thoughts, it's just they tend to brush those thoughts aside a lot easier than people with depression.

This past year has been a shit show for me, like the common theme of my life "good things mean worse things"; except this year hasn't had much good to give me warning. The amount of negative thinking has become a mainstay (though maybe not nearly as bad as when I lived in the Bay Area, moving away from that hell hole greatly reduced my stress and anxiety) this year. I don't manage mine in the most "healthy" manner by most people's standards. These days I drink more than I used to (I basically didn't drink at all before), but I don't have a lot of responsibilities and I follow my two cardinal rules (#1: NEVER Drink and Drive, Do Not Operate Equipment Unless you're 0% BAC No Exceptions #2: Never go to work Drunk/Buzzed).

So one example of so/so coping mechanism down, let's try something a little more "positive" as some people might say. Some days I'll come on the forums and help people with their issues, the focusing on the technical aspects of their issues is sometimes enough to distract me from my thoughts. Other times I'll go work on the 4Runner or try and dick around with the welder and grinder, but usually I don't have the energy or will to really do that stuff. Other times I'll go force myself to hang out with a friend or two, just hanging out can be distracting enough from my thoughts; sometimes the catharsis of talking about things and hearing a second opinion help make the negative thinking not so bad. Video games, TV, articles, ect. can help ease the burden of the negative thoughts. It's not a perfect system, anyone who tells you "do this thing and you'll be better, 100% guarantee" is a liar or a fool; everyone is different at different times of the day. Some days exercise will help, other days you'll have negative thinking and push yourself so far exercising that you've torn muscles and gone into muscle failure. Other days being around other people feels horrible and nerve wracking.

You need to sit down and come up with a list of things that you feel better doing or that distract you and keep those in mind. Because not everything on that list is going to work every time, but the beauty is you'll probably find something to get through the episode relatively intact. It may take hours, it may take weeks, it may take months; but figuring out a good set of activities and processes to help manage that stuff is key. As is having a good support structure (i.e. friends, family, therapist, random hooker you pay to listen to you whine; whatever works I ain't judging you). The biggest problem and it's one I don't have an answer for, is what you do when you've done all that stuff and it doesn't work. Or worse yet you come home, get in bed and now you're all alone with your thought in a relatively dark and quiet room... That's I guess when you get the industrial strength horse tranquilizers?

It's a process and some days are better than others.
 
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Though this post is old, it is pretty helpful for me. I have recently been diagnosed with depression (frankly speaking, it is not so severe, so I was surprised). My doctor prescribed pills for me, but I really don't want to take chemical medications. I read the detailed info about them on Canadian Pharmacy Online site (I always use this source for this purpose) and decided to try something else first. So, thanks for the recomendations, I'll try them in the hope for a good result.

Up to you of course, but depression/anxiety meds (not called Xanax/Valium/Klonopin) for the most part are pretty safe...especially when you weigh the cons of not taking anything and letting it affect your daily life/quality of life.

Remember, those side effects listed from site or on paper will list as much as possible for CYA purposes. Read up on Tylenol side effects and it will scare the crap out of you.
 
My Father -in-law passed away on our wedding anniversary. no more celebrations. December wedding, even Christmas doesn't mean much anymore. life goes on.
 
Hey buddy,
Brave of you to talk about this, I went through a rough patch recently but never could bring myself to talk about it (I take my hat of to you).

I know over the years I would always get depressed during certain parts of the year. I grew up in Oregon and I know some people have a harder time during the 3/4 of the seasons, I know I did. I see your in Bend? Beautiful country I love skiing/snowboarding out there. Because of the overcast sky's many people lack the vitamin D the sun gives us and can be linked to depression. I personally had to move away from Portland Oregon (where I was born and raised). I am naturally much happier in a warm and sunny climate. Perhaps you can look into either relocating or trying to see if your vitamin D levels are low.
Best of luck my friend!
 
Thanks

Thank you for starting this thread. I have hardly even scratched the surface with all of the content that you all have provided, but I know I will be reading through it all whenever I need an escape.

I'd say I bought my 4Runner as a result of my depression. I always felt so trapped and couldn't think of a way out, but I found that joining families like this one is such a great foundation for me to grow on.
 
I myself have finally climbed out of a pretty deep hole these last few of years. I had the benefit of a wife that dug in with me to find the root cause of my problems. One thing led to another and I learned about narcissism. I realized that my parents didn't really care about me. They only acted like it when it made them look good to others or it was socially expected of them. My folks constantly cut me down, criticized me and my decisions. Then I had a couple of childhood traumas which they just flat out denied even happened which ultimately led to me being an emotional mess. I was socially awkward and didn't know how to communicate with people. My parents only loved me when I made them look good. All this led to living with insecurity and depression with a splash of anxiety. This was my life from 14 till about 38 years old. I turned to drugs ( prescribed and not) and alcohol to cope. Of course this made things much worse in the long run.

A big part of my solution was deciding to go no contact with my parents. Man was this was a game changer. I no longer had all the negative reinforcement and life improved almost instantly. I had a lot of fallout from that decision because of the family cult thing that society pressures us to be a lifetime member of. Once you leave the cult your an outcast. They even started rumors that I had brain damage and thats why I don't talk to them anymore, crazy stuff they come up with. Anyway I stuck it out and two years later still going strong without a single contact. Still no regrets. Once I decided to remove all the negative people from my life things just kept improving. Some people you can't remove of course but thats where I learned to set boundaries. This was another game changer. There are so many people out there with no boundaries that I had to regulate them for myself if that makes any sense.

Some other things I did that really helped me...

The first one was I ascribed to the idea that if I wasn't born with it, by God I don't have to die with it. Emotional or physical. The body and mind is an amazing thing and given the proper tools to heal, they will. Having said that I eat and drink the cleanest food and water I can find and when somebody needs to talk something out I'll listen because somebody listened when I needed it.

Someone else had mentioned hobbies and exercise. It was a huge help for me. I started training Brazillian Jiu Jitsu. I haven't really sat down and thought about it in my own words how to describe what happens on the mat, but its amazing. Of course I'm getting in shape, which makes me feel good but theres more to it. You have to really dig deep to stick with it and the interpersonal growth that I experience was and still is surprising to me. Once your feet touch the mat there is nothing else you can really think about cuz somebody is gonna be trying to choke you out! lol but seriously there is a great primer on the subject here.

I realize of course that everybody is different with a different life story. My advice is start asking questions. Questions about your past, parents, traumas etc. Nobody suffers from depression/anxiety for no reason. I don't mean to oversimplify anybodys situation by saying that. What I am saying is that my experience tells me that the root problem needed to be discovered and once it was I could square up to it, face it and start healing.

I just pray that folks can get their life back without using pharmaceuticals. There's no such thing as "side effects". There's only undesired direct effects.
I spent some time in my 30's as a Christian counselor so ultimately thats my perspective. James 5:16 tells me to confess my faults to another so that I may be healed. It doesn't tell me to take drugs so that I may be healed. Find somebody to talk to. There are people out there that care. If anyone needs somebody to bounce ideas off of I'm available.
 
A big part of my solution was deciding to go no contact with my parents. Man was this was a game changer. I no longer had all the negative reinforcement and life improved almost instantly.

Good decision, and excellent advise to anyone else who is suffering from toxic parenting. My brother and his wife would probably still be alive if she had cut off contact with her parents.
 
Good decision, and excellent advise to anyone else who is suffering from toxic parenting. My brother and his wife would probably still be alive if she had cut off contact with her parents.

Dang man I can't even imagine what circumstances unfolded to lead to that. I'm so sorry to hear this.
 
A lot of times knowing the truth about situations can help you to better deal with them.

I've found that studying the Bible really helped clarify many things.
Jesus said " When you know the truth it will set you free. (John 8:32)

Free from what? Misinformation, lies and false stories.
Contrary to what most people believe, Satan is the ruler of this world.(1Jhn5:19)
He is not a nice fellow! And because he is allowed to be ruler he influences the way people behave. I used to wonder why all these crazy things happen in the world then I was introduced to 2Timothy3: 1-5, here it identifies the characteristics that people would display in the 'last days' of this system.
One of them is " no natural affection". Sadly many parents display this toward their children and it makes it difficult for the child, as children look to their parents for love, commendation, security, etc. and when those are missing in that relationship it causes the child to have problems.

God values children and his expectation was that parents and children have a good relationship. (Psalm 27:10) How does God take you in?
Through his Word the Bible, learn about him and his personality and what he promises for the future and you will benefit long term. (John 17:3)

Check out website JW.org there is an interactive Bible study available that answers many questions using the Bible as the source.
 
Speaking from experience I can tell you plainly that leaving people who bring you down is the best move a man or woman can make.

One day you realize that the only life you can save is your own.

Get somewhere they can't find you....and breathe in the freedom.
 

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