Hello all, I have a quick question for all of the Dallas 4runners out there. I just had a set of tires installed and I have a noticeable vibration at around 65 up to 70. The shop where I had them installed tried 4 times to balance them. They did improve but not much. After reading a few post I have come the realization that I need the tires balanced with a Haweka adapter. Any how, does anyone know of a shop or a dealer (which I would rather not go) or tire shop that use the Haweka adapter, in the Dallas area? I have a 2005 4runner 4x4 v8 and installed BF Goodrich tires. Thanks in advance
Does anyone know of a shop or dealer that uses the Haweka adaptor to balance tires
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gshadow325
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a 10 year old machine will be able to balance your tires. you dont need the latest and greatest. My snap ontire balancing machine was purchased new on 2003 along with tire changer. it has been used everyday, and used it yesterday.
Food for thought. My uncle bought a 1997 4 runner with 197k, it had a replacement front right fender, and real new tires like under 500 miles. since purchase and 2700 miles later, 4 different tire shops tried to balance them, changed out front and rear shocks. check ball joint, tie rod ends, control arms, lubed drive shaft, changed fluids in all the diffs and transfer cases. vibration at 65-80mph still there.
I actually kinda gave you a hint in the above description if you think about it,
since the truck had front right fender replaced, that mean previous owner hit something. Enough to replace fender, AND also enough to bend the wheels.
I found this out because he took the 80 mile ride from NYC to philadelphia for me to solve the problem. Once i put the tires on my machine, i check for wheels to be straight. since i opted for the trusty hand crank speed balancer, instead of the "high tech" covered hood type that you see in alot of shops now. i could check to see if the wheel whobbled or tire was out of round.
2 out of 4 showed wheels was out of round.
confirmed this by installing my 16" stocks from my 03 4runner onto his 97.
so, you dont need special equipment to balance stock wheels, or aftermarket wheels. Just need QUALIFIED EXPERIENCED people to install your tires.
FYI: tires that are out of balance can also be out of round from improper mounting of the tires. i suggest if you have a problem with shacking and want to rule out the balancing. you need to physically see the tires to see when they spin on the machine of the tire hops up and down by looking at the tire tread as it spins on the machine.
good luck, tire mounting is not rocket science but when a idiot does it...it just causes headaches
Food for thought. My uncle bought a 1997 4 runner with 197k, it had a replacement front right fender, and real new tires like under 500 miles. since purchase and 2700 miles later, 4 different tire shops tried to balance them, changed out front and rear shocks. check ball joint, tie rod ends, control arms, lubed drive shaft, changed fluids in all the diffs and transfer cases. vibration at 65-80mph still there.
I actually kinda gave you a hint in the above description if you think about it,
since the truck had front right fender replaced, that mean previous owner hit something. Enough to replace fender, AND also enough to bend the wheels.
I found this out because he took the 80 mile ride from NYC to philadelphia for me to solve the problem. Once i put the tires on my machine, i check for wheels to be straight. since i opted for the trusty hand crank speed balancer, instead of the "high tech" covered hood type that you see in alot of shops now. i could check to see if the wheel whobbled or tire was out of round.
2 out of 4 showed wheels was out of round.
confirmed this by installing my 16" stocks from my 03 4runner onto his 97.
so, you dont need special equipment to balance stock wheels, or aftermarket wheels. Just need QUALIFIED EXPERIENCED people to install your tires.
FYI: tires that are out of balance can also be out of round from improper mounting of the tires. i suggest if you have a problem with shacking and want to rule out the balancing. you need to physically see the tires to see when they spin on the machine of the tire hops up and down by looking at the tire tread as it spins on the machine.
good luck, tire mounting is not rocket science but when a idiot does it...it just causes headaches
oljedi11950
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^^ Not gonna make it any better but had same problem , I went to discount to have front 2 road force balanced , guy says sure but waste of my $$ but we'll take it if you want , I said ahh no whats up , most times just a good balancer can fix it ok do it 2 out of 5 wheel bent or tweaked some how , anyway !
oljedi11950
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Ya Zak me too but it was weird got lucky I guess when 1st mounted them up that the front 2 were perfect but when i rotated them fugd up man , both rear mover fwd were bent so now I'm looking for some seq/tundra wheels .
WXman
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Something I've noticed that commonly happens is the technician will put "slime" on the beads before mounting the tires to help it slide onto the wheel easier. Problem is, that stuff is still wet when the customer hops in and leaves the shop and then the tires can actually spin inside the wheel a little bit, which throws the balance off again. That's why lots of guys, myself included, end up going to the shop twice to get the balance done properly.
Also, if the tire has yellow dots stamped on it you should have them line that up with the valve stem as a starting point. It can really help to keep the weight needed to a minimum.
Also, if the tire has yellow dots stamped on it you should have them line that up with the valve stem as a starting point. It can really help to keep the weight needed to a minimum.
gshadow325
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[MENTION=92501]WXman[/MENTION] , brother no disrespect but are you talking from experience? You physically were able to do this? I have owned my machines for 10 years now and never was able to do this. I have used all kinds of lubricant from synthetic oil, to grease, to transmission fluid, to dish washing detergent and never ever got it to do this.
BlackWorksInc
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a 10 year old machine will be able to balance your tires. you dont need the latest and greatest. My snap ontire balancing machine was purchased new on 2003 along with tire changer. it has been used everyday, and used it yesterday.
Food for thought. My uncle bought a 1997 4 runner with 197k, it had a replacement front right fender, and real new tires like under 500 miles. since purchase and 2700 miles later, 4 different tire shops tried to balance them, changed out front and rear shocks. check ball joint, tie rod ends, control arms, lubed drive shaft, changed fluids in all the diffs and transfer cases. vibration at 65-80mph still there.
I actually kinda gave you a hint in the above description if you think about it,
since the truck had front right fender replaced, that mean previous owner hit something. Enough to replace fender, AND also enough to bend the wheels.
I found this out because he took the 80 mile ride from NYC to philadelphia for me to solve the problem. Once i put the tires on my machine, i check for wheels to be straight. since i opted for the trusty hand crank speed balancer, instead of the "high tech" covered hood type that you see in alot of shops now. i could check to see if the wheel whobbled or tire was out of round.
2 out of 4 showed wheels was out of round.
confirmed this by installing my 16" stocks from my 03 4runner onto his 97.
so, you dont need special equipment to balance stock wheels, or aftermarket wheels. Just need QUALIFIED EXPERIENCED people to install your tires.
FYI: tires that are out of balance can also be out of round from improper mounting of the tires. i suggest if you have a problem with shacking and want to rule out the balancing. you need to physically see the tires to see when they spin on the machine of the tire hops up and down by looking at the tire tread as it spins on the machine.
good luck, tire mounting is not rocket science but when a idiot does it...it just causes headaches
We have two machines at our dealership, an old 1990's hold-out and a newer Hunter with road-force balancing. I do not like to use the old machine for anything but hammer on weights, I use the new machine for Toyota's more commonly used hammer on weight on the back and sticky weights on the inside front edge. My co-workers like to use the other machine out of laziness but I have played with both and found that the old machine works great for older style hammer on weights and is in the ballpark, sometimes, for sticky weights.
I have done a variety of tires and wheels and consistently find the features and abilities of the more Modern Hunter machine we use to be best for balancing tires and have stopped using the older unit. Even with the hood down I can easily see if the rim is out of round horizontally and the machine will let me know if the wheel and tire assembly is out of round vertically and is smart enough to try and let me know where to remount the tire if I want to try and use less weight (very useful for cheap bling bling rims with even cheaper rubbers)
That being said, it still requires a competent technician to use it properly and decent machine for the proper application like anything else.
GShadow325, WXMan actually does have a point. If a lazy/inexperienced technician just slathered on the slime without much care. Too much of the miracle slime (I love that stuff so much!) COULD actually allow a customer to spin the tire on the rim (we're talking like maybe an inch or two from where it was; nothing super dramatic), its rare and I don't think we've had it happen more than once or twice.
I agree. I have never seen this. Maybe with a dragster on slicks, but regular passenger car tires don't have that kind of grip. That would be kind of cool to see, a car sitting still quietly with the wheels spinning and the tires gripped firmly to the ground. :thumb3:
WXman
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Guys, I'm not talking about the tire sitting still and the wheel spinning. That's too dramatic. I'm talking about the tire sliding under torque enough to throw the balance off as soon as you leave the tire shop. This happens a lot more than you think, especially with 4x4s that run taller tires than cars because it's more leverage and more engine power typically on those rigs.
I have actually gotten to the point where when I get a set mounted, I purposefully let the tires sit for a day and "dry up" before I get into the throttle.
Another time this can happen even without the tire slime is in an offroad situation when aired down. Lots of guys that hit the rocks at 8-12 psi have had tires spin slightly on the wheels and throw the balance off. It doesn't take many degrees of spin to throw the balance out of whack on these truck tires. It doesn't happen dramatically and all at once. It happens slowly and over a little time.
I have actually gotten to the point where when I get a set mounted, I purposefully let the tires sit for a day and "dry up" before I get into the throttle.
Another time this can happen even without the tire slime is in an offroad situation when aired down. Lots of guys that hit the rocks at 8-12 psi have had tires spin slightly on the wheels and throw the balance off. It doesn't take many degrees of spin to throw the balance out of whack on these truck tires. It doesn't happen dramatically and all at once. It happens slowly and over a little time.
gshadow325
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Purposely airing them down I can see it happening. Using the proper "bead butter" the lube will dry in 5 minutes.
I personally have never seen this. I have done alot of tires. When tires are aired up to proper driving psi @ 30 to 40 psi, I highly doubt the tires will slip. Then again anything is possible in life.
