Drain & Fill at the dealer with GENUINE TOYOTA ATF WS Fluid NOT MOC SYNTHETIC ATF PLS

[ebg18t]

Black works - for those of us with a dipstick on the tranny, could we extract from the dip stick and the refill from the dipstick? Ie I extract 4liters, refill with 4 liters?

 

[WXman]

If I drain into a clear container while my fluid is cold, and replace exactly how much I drained, would that be ok?

I don't have an IR thermometer, I don't wanna mess with idling and stuff. I saw a how to where a guy did that on a 2004 V8. It should be ok, right?

That would be fine....assuming the amount in there to start with is the proper amount...and it might not be.

All I know is that the service manual way of filling up the pan, heating the fluid to 125, and then pulling the check plug is a very scary way to do it. Because 3 or 4 quarts isn't much fluid to start with, and when you pull that plug it seems like it gushes out forever. If you actually did it by the book, I don't see how you could end up with much fluid in the pan at all. Which, is why I left mine a little overfilled on purpose.

Why is it so difficult to just give people a dipstick? Geez.

 

[emelianenkov]

Drain & Fill at the dealer with GENUINE TOYOTA ATF WS Fluid NOT MOC SYNTHETIC...

To be honest, your logic is sound, but I don't know for sure...

Guess I'll have to try and see! If not, on to transmission #3

Wish we had a sealed manual transmission but NOOOOOO, soccer moms don't know what that third pedal is for! Ugh

 

[F4injected]

I've scheduled the flush for Friday morning.

I'll keep y'all updated on how the process goes! Thanks!

 

[enginerd4ni]

Because I don't have access to a level ground around my hilly area, and due to the tight fit under the front end, I just decided to do it at the dealer.

In the future, you are more than welcome to borrow my garage and tools. I'm up in Cedar Park. Just PM me.

Also, good luck with the flush. I have always been treated poorly by Maund Toyota, all departments. Round Rock Toy is much nicer, less shady.

 

[F4injected]

In the future, you are more than welcome to borrow my garage and tools. I'm up in Cedar Park. Just PM me.

Also, good luck with the flush. I have always been treated poorly by Maund Toyota, all departments. Round Rock Toy is much nicer, less shady.

Thanks for the offer! I just may hit you up when I need to do my oil change or something.

 

[dinnertime]

That would be fine....assuming the amount in there to start with is the proper amount...and it might not be.

All I know is that the service manual way of filling up the pan, heating the fluid to 125, and then pulling the check plug is a very scary way to do it. Because 3 or 4 quarts isn't much fluid to start with, and when you pull that plug it seems like it gushes out forever. If you actually did it by the book, I don't see how you could end up with much fluid in the pan at all. Which, is why I left mine a little overfilled on purpose.

Why is it so difficult to just give people a dipstick? Geez.

Toyota WS is hygroscopic, removing the dipstick helps mitigate this.

 

[F4injected]

Toyota and the MOC representative that showed us how to use our trans flushing machine (sat collecting dust for a long while) state NOT to use a machine on WS transmissions.

Most transmission machines have two reservoirs, one is waste, the other is new fluid. You fill the New Fluid tank to what ever amount you want to flush into the car and make sure the same amount of waste oil comes out. Its not super accurate as you're not able to properly take into account the fluid in the adapter lines, the machine passages... normally its not a big deal as you just top off what you need via the dipstick when you check it. This is obviously not doable with sealed transmissions and so you'd have to still do the fluid level check procedure to be accurate (this is assuming the technician did use a machine on your WS transmission); this is probably the main reason Toyota does not want a fluid exchange/flush machine used on the WS transmissions as they have had a LOT of issues with technicians and customers not setting their transmission fluid levels properly. The WS transmissions are rather finicky about fluid level; you only vary something like 10-ish ounces in the temperature range given via the FSM.

Oh shoot. The dealer performed the flush today and he definitely used the transmission flush machine made by MOC.

This mechanic did seem to know what he is doing and was a certified MDT. He used the scan tool to double check the temp. (which took about 3 hours to bring down to 115 degrees).

After that, he ran the car and opened the overflow plug which let out about half a quart of fluid.

Then, he connected the hoses to the transmission fluid line that goes to the radiator and ran the machine. I think it was 12 quarts of fresh WS fluid. (It was a whole box.)

The machine didn't seem to pump the fluid too fast, so it seemed fine.
What do you think? Do you think this was okay?

 

[ebg18t]

In reality only time will tell. You just have to sit back, drive and see if any issues arise. Proving anything down the road will be difficult.

 

[bigskyeric]

I see some recommendations on here encouraging having a full flush done. A friend of mine runs a highly regarded transmission shop here in town and told me to never have it flushed. That it causes more harm then good. I can attest that the only time I've ever had a flush done on any car, the tranny blew about 500 miles later. Just my 2 cents.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

Oh shoot. The dealer performed the flush today and he definitely used the transmission flush machine made by MOC.

This mechanic did seem to know what he is doing and was a certified MDT. He used the scan tool to double check the temp. (which took about 3 hours to bring down to 115 degrees).

After that, he ran the car and opened the overflow plug which let out about half a quart of fluid.

Then, he connected the hoses to the transmission fluid line that goes to the radiator and ran the machine. I think it was 12 quarts of fresh WS fluid. (It was a whole box.)

The machine didn't seem to pump the fluid too fast, so it seemed fine.
What do you think? Do you think this was okay?

That sounds like the fluid exchange machine we have at work. We don't use it for WS fluid; but honestly? There's no reason that it would hurt the vehicle as it uses the transmission's natural pressure to push the fluid out and suck fresh fluid in. As long as the tech properly checked the level afterwards I doubt it will do any damage.

By the way is this by any chance a Auto Nation store?

 

[F4injected]

That sounds like the fluid exchange machine we have at work. We don't use it for WS fluid; but honestly? There's no reason that it would hurt the vehicle as it uses the transmission's natural pressure to push the fluid out and suck fresh fluid in. As long as the tech properly checked the level afterwards I doubt it will do any damage.

By the way is this by any chance a Auto Nation store?

I don't think so... I just looked it up and it isn't on the list on autonation.com.

He actually didn't check the fluid level afterward because we just didn't have enough time.

We dropped the temp to 110 after three hours and then started and lifted the car to check the overflow valve. Just in those few minutes, the temp rose to like over 120 degrees.

Then, we just the car off to attach the flush machine and turn the car back on to run the flush.

When it was done, I'm sure the tranny temp was higher than 130 degrees so it would have taken another few hours to lower it back to proper "level-checking" temperatures.... Yeah, it sucks.

I'm going to check it in the morning, after it cools overnight and see if any fluid comes out of the overflow.

 

[TOPSECRETTUNDRA]

I would hope that any Toyota Service Department would know the correct procedure for changing the fluid. You shouldn't have to do the research and then QC them while they do it. I looked through my manual and Toyota says change the fluid at 60K or 72 months when you tow on a daily basis and then again at 120K or 144 months and so on. The only other reference to the ATF is inspecting the fluid level every 30K. There is no other reference to a flush or replacing the fluid under normal driving conditions. This seems strange to me. My 08 had 61K on it and I figured I'd need to change the fluid soon. Guess not according to the manual. Thoughts?

 

[emelianenkov]

Drain & Fill at the dealer with GENUINE TOYOTA ATF WS Fluid NOT MOC SYNTHETIC...

I would hope that any Toyota Service Department would know the correct procedure for changing the fluid. You shouldn't have to do the research and then QC them while they do it. I looked through my manual and Toyota says change the fluid at 60K or 72 months when you tow on a daily basis and then again at 120K or 144 months and so on. The only other reference to the ATF is inspecting the fluid level every 30K. There is no other reference to a flush or replacing the fluid under normal driving conditions. This seems strange to me. My 08 had 61K on it and I figured I'd need to change the fluid soon. Guess not according to the manual. Thoughts?

Change it anyway. I got my 08 transmission with 120k and before the techs swapped it in, they drained it. The ATF was DISGUSTING! I need to drain and refill again because the torque converter holds a lot of fluid and this stuff was black. The trans probably has 150k now. My truck itself has 64k. Stupid NJ swamps drowning my drivetrain

 

[4RunnerFan]

I would hope that any Toyota Service Department would know the correct procedure for changing the fluid. You shouldn't have to do the research and then QC them while they do it. I looked through my manual and Toyota says change the fluid at 60K or 72 months when you tow on a daily basis and then again at 120K or 144 months and so on. The only other reference to the ATF is inspecting the fluid level every 30K. There is no other reference to a flush or replacing the fluid under normal driving conditions. This seems strange to me. My 08 had 61K on it and I figured I'd need to change the fluid soon. Guess not according to the manual. Thoughts?

I don't think it says "when you tow on a daily basis", but it does say "when towing." We have a 2,800# boat/trailer rig that we tow about 20-25 times a year (about 500-600 miles total), and I'm taking the T4R to the selling dealer this coming Wednesday for an appointment to replace the WS tranny fluid. Just hitting 50k miles and 6 years on our '08 Limited V6 4WD. Crossing fingers that they do it right.

 

[TOPSECRETTUNDRA]

I don't have it in front of me but its wordy. Driving under special circumstances, driving while towing, see note 2, note 2 says something along the lines of primary driving condition.

The way I read the manual is when you tow often.

 

[Ventil8]

Thanks for the offer! I just may hit you up when I need to do my oil change or something.

Can I watch you guys work too? I've read up on the mass air filter and throttle body DIY cleaning but would like someone with more mechanical knowledge than myself to guide me through it. I'll bring the XXs

 

[F4injected]

Can I watch you guys work too? I've read up on the mass air filter and throttle body DIY cleaning but would like someone with more mechanical knowledge than myself to guide me through it. I'll bring the XXs

:iagree: We should have a little maintenance day or something :bluejump:

So, I checked my at fluid. I jumped the obd sensor and got the truck up to temp with the red a/t light constantly on. I left the truck running and went underneath to take out the overflow plug and.... only a trickle came out.

Now, I'm not too worried, but in the coming days, I'll probably buy a quart of WS fluid and do a quick fill and check the level with the overflow.

 

[oljedi11950]

That sounds like the fluid exchange machine we have at work. We don't use it for WS fluid; but honestly? There's no reason that it would hurt the vehicle as it uses the transmission's natural pressure to push the fluid out and suck fresh fluid in. As long as the tech properly checked the level afterwards I doubt it will do any damage.

By the way is this by any chance a Auto Nation store?

Hey BWINC any reason why you ask this question about autonation ?

 

[BlackWorksInc]

Hey BWINC any reason why you ask this question about autonation ?

I work for an AutoNation owned Toyota Dealership and we are heavily supplied by MOC Products. I wasn't sure if other dealerships used them or it was a contract thing.