Eibach needs a stock TRD PRO in SoCal
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pumacat24
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Thanks [MENTION=400530]MGordo[/MENTION], you're right it's 12% stiffer than stock at 195#... it's what I get for overthinking and multitasking.
Ryan at Eibach
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who's got a PRO with some weight on the front end?
I do, but I don't think I've got another coast-to-coast road trip in me this spring/summer. Spring upgrade is my next project after my 996 engine rebuild.
Ryan at Eibach
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ims?
Cracked cylinder. Going big. Look up "yaz's rebuild" over on rennlist.
CRB Racing
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Will you have an option for 2” front?
Ryan at Eibach
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sell them to meee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pumacat24
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[MENTION=318203]Ryan at Eibach[/MENTION], can we order directly from you when they are ready?
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First off, I am very happy to see this thread and have been looking for a way to squeeze another inch or so of lift out of my 2019 Pro without resorting to using spacers (or replacing the fox suspension for something else).
I understand exactly what you mean, and had the exact same question, though it doesn't seem to actually be answered yet. 2018 and earlier Pros supposedly had the stock ride height, but 2019/20 w/ the Fox setup is supposedly already 1" higher than standard ride height. If we have the same control arms and ball joint setups as all other 4runners, then there is already 1" of lift into our geometry, and adding another 1.8" on top of that would put us at 2.8" worth of lift into the control arm geometry. Since the general thought here seems to be that anything over 2.5" requires UCAs to get to proper alignment, this question is very important.
I bolded the important part above. If we have the same control arms and components as all other 4runners (and that is the impression I am under), then we ALREADY have 1" of lift into our otherwise stock geometry. I suppose it'd be moot if we have different control arms that compensate for our extra 1" of lift, but that isn't the case as far as I know.
It's true that UCAs aren't needed for 1.8" of lift on a normal 4runner front suspension, except it wouldn't be 1.8" of lift on the 2019+ TRDP control arms and suspension parts which are already 1" lifted as they come stock. Not trying to be difficult here and I'd be happy to understand properly if I am misunderstanding, but it doesn't appear as if you do understand what he's asking. If we already have 1" of lift into our otherwise standard 4runner IFS system, and you are saying this adds another 1.8" over that, then it would indeed be 2.8" of lift on what is otherwise the same stock 4runner components that all 4runners use (components that can't go over 2.5" of lift without causing alignment issues without UCAs). The components which control the geometry and ultimately our ability to achieve alignment are the same as all other 4runners as I understand it, the only difference being that we already have 1" of lift on those components. Am I wrong? Was Toyota wrong when they said that the 2019+ Pros has 1" of lift over the other models? According to the answer you provided, these springs will add another 1.8" of lift on top of the 1" we already have, which would mean that our stock control arms and ball joints would be operating at 2.8" of lift over standard height, which is indeed outside of Toyota's design parameters for the stock UCAs according to everything else I've seen on these forums. If this is wrong I'd appreciate someone providing an answer that clarifies for those of us who are confused. Are 2019 Pros already lifted an inch like Toyota said they were? :noidea:
I understand exactly what you mean, and had the exact same question, though it doesn't seem to actually be answered yet. 2018 and earlier Pros supposedly had the stock ride height, but 2019/20 w/ the Fox setup is supposedly already 1" higher than standard ride height. If we have the same control arms and ball joint setups as all other 4runners, then there is already 1" of lift into our geometry, and adding another 1.8" on top of that would put us at 2.8" worth of lift into the control arm geometry. Since the general thought here seems to be that anything over 2.5" requires UCAs to get to proper alignment, this question is very important.
I bolded the important part above. If we have the same control arms and components as all other 4runners (and that is the impression I am under), then we ALREADY have 1" of lift into our otherwise stock geometry. I suppose it'd be moot if we have different control arms that compensate for our extra 1" of lift, but that isn't the case as far as I know.
I know exactly what he’s asking and I’m trying not to answer it and confuse everybody. There’s just no reason to compare it to non-PRO. You’re already getting worried about arms because of it even though I said upper arms are not needed
Everything you are concerned about is checked during our R&D process. If you need arms, diff drop, etc etc it will absolutely be mentioned waaaaay in advance. For 1.8” of lift it’s not necessary.
Hope that helps
It's true that UCAs aren't needed for 1.8" of lift on a normal 4runner front suspension, except it wouldn't be 1.8" of lift on the 2019+ TRDP control arms and suspension parts which are already 1" lifted as they come stock. Not trying to be difficult here and I'd be happy to understand properly if I am misunderstanding, but it doesn't appear as if you do understand what he's asking. If we already have 1" of lift into our otherwise standard 4runner IFS system, and you are saying this adds another 1.8" over that, then it would indeed be 2.8" of lift on what is otherwise the same stock 4runner components that all 4runners use (components that can't go over 2.5" of lift without causing alignment issues without UCAs). The components which control the geometry and ultimately our ability to achieve alignment are the same as all other 4runners as I understand it, the only difference being that we already have 1" of lift on those components. Am I wrong? Was Toyota wrong when they said that the 2019+ Pros has 1" of lift over the other models? According to the answer you provided, these springs will add another 1.8" of lift on top of the 1" we already have, which would mean that our stock control arms and ball joints would be operating at 2.8" of lift over standard height, which is indeed outside of Toyota's design parameters for the stock UCAs according to everything else I've seen on these forums. If this is wrong I'd appreciate someone providing an answer that clarifies for those of us who are confused. Are 2019 Pros already lifted an inch like Toyota said they were? :noidea:
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If you're replying to me, I'd be fine with being wrong on that, but it's been widely published by both Toyota and the professional reviewers in all of the "new for 2019" materials and articles for the 4Runner TRDPs.
Toyota material
"The front Fox shocks are paired with TRD-tuned coil springs, and the combination provides an additional 1 inch of front lift for improved trail-tackling capability. "
Zach Butler with TFLTruck
"Mechanically, the TRD Pro gets a 1-inch lift and wheel travel over standard models."
The Car Guide
"The TRD Pro now receives 2.5-inch Fox shocks which, along with the TRD-tuned springs, brings a one-inch ground clearance increase as well as one more inch of wheel travel."
Top Speed
"The updated front shocks also afford an extra inch of wheel travel."
It isn't hard to find published material that confirms it, so did Toyota and others falsely make these claims? I've not measured them myself, so I don't know it to be true personally, but it's hard to imagine it would be so widely published as such if it wasn't true. And since it's been so widely published including by Toyota themselves, many people are under the impression that it's the case. Unfortunately it's hard to know where to go from here without a definitive answer.
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osideplayer
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The 19/20 Toyota TRD Pro’s are essentially TRD Off Road’s with added wheels, badges and suspension at the port. Don’t believe, open the driver door of any trd pro and read the spec label. It will incorrectly show the trd off roads' wheel dimensions instead of the TRD pro wheel dimensions
So yes, the Elbach lift will give you an added 2.6 inches of total lift from what the Toyota 4Runner was originally designed to handle.
Personally, I think an additional 1 inch of lift would have been perfect. 1.6 inches is a weird number that will definitely give negative rake on the TRD pros. Its going to force most people to buy rear coils to preserve a leveling look.
I imagine that was the point though, cross selling.
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I never mentioned where they were bolted on, and that doesn't change anything being discussed here either way.
It seems you do agree on everything I did mention though, and that's exactly the issue. If these springs add the 1.8" (now revised to 1.6" in another thread) to our current lift settings as was stated, that leaves us at 2.8" (now 2.6") total lift into our IFS. It seems generally accepted from everything I've seen on this forum and pretty much everywhere else, that UCAs are recommended over 2", and pretty much a necessity over 2.5" although opinions do vary on this subject, which is somewhat contrary to Ryan's post about no UCAs required depending on where you draw line (or how it affects your ability to align properly).
Clearly there is confusion here about exactly what we are getting, and how much lift we'll end up with, which is important to know. Personally, I am fine with having 2.6" overall and don't mind replacing my UCAs if necessary to get it provided the Fox shocks work well set up this way, but the result needs to be clear and it doesn't seem to be at this point as some folks have pointed out and inquired about.
I agree completely about the 1.6" in the front and rake angles. I'd want to bring up the rear a similar amount as well, as I personally would prefer to keep the rake as it is or only slightly lessened as I always keep a fair amount of gear in the back and tow frequently. I'd rather it have the rake on the rare occasion that I'm not loaded in the rear, as opposed to having the front high the majority of the time as it would be if I was "leveled"...
ArmyTRDPro
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Eta on being able to order these?
DallasTRDPro
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Coming from Jeeps, I know exactly what lifting does to a vehicle. The Jeep could be lifted about 2" without any caster correction. If you lift a Jeep 3+ then you have all kinds of steering components that need to be addressed. I bought the Pro because I didn't want to touch the suspension. I admit I would like it to be about another inch taller with some 275's. Since this Eibach is another 1.6" higher I can't see how that wouldn't affect alignment and other components. Lifting a Jeep seems way less complicated than adding a lift to an IFS.
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osideplayer
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It definitely will.. and I still dont really understand "1.6 inches" as it doesn't even level it. There's definitely some corners being cut to push this product out faster.
