elocker AND 3rd row seats?

SnowLizard

SnowLizard

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is there a way to do it? from factory?

what's the best way to get it?
TE then add 3rd row
Limited (or sr5) and add elocker

I would like to get a 4runner, with fold flat 3rd row, as many 'pratical' bells and whistles as possible, so 3rd row and e-locker.

Currently own a 99 Limited, love it, but we want the option to tote more people as desired. usually we take dogs with us in the back, but if kids when older want a friend to come, we are squeezed (even with out dogs). the 4th gen doesn't have elocker so no good going that route. the 5th gen sounds like a viable option.

some day when the 99 is 'dead' I'll use it as my off road rig/DD. and wife gets the new car (she'll get the 7 row first) and dead would refer to 'crashed beyon repair, totaled, taken to car nirvana...' so I want the elocker probable grey wire mod, we go camping, ususally really remote (or where high clearance is required) and in our non-locker 97 we got stuck in snow/slush/mud. so elocker to get out of sticky situations (insurance)


so is it possible? post opinions and thoughts thanks!
 
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Im not sure about adding a 3rd row. I thought I had read where someone looked at it, as in tore the back apart, and there are anchor points and such done at the factory for the 3rd row and the seat belts to keep everything in place that are not there if you don't have third row. Hell they don't make adding a sliding cargo tray easy if it wasn't already there. I would go out on a limb and say the e locker may be easier to add?
 
SnowLizard said:
is there a way to do it? from factory?

what's the best way to get it?
TE then add 3rd row
Limited (or sr5) and add elocker

I would like to get a 4runner, with fold flat 3rd row, as many 'pratical' bells and whistles as possible, so 3rd row and e-locker.

Currently own a 99 Limited, love it, but we want the option to tote more people as desired. usually we take dogs with us in the back, but if kids when older want a friend to come, we are squeezed (even with out dogs). the 4th gen doesn't have elocker so no good going that route. the 5th gen sounds like a viable option.

some day when the 99 is 'dead' I'll use it as my off road rig/DD. and wife gets the new car (she'll get the 7 row first) and dead would refer to 'crashed beyon repair, totaled, taken to car nirvana...' so I want the elocker probable grey wire mod, we go camping, ususally really remote (or where high clearance is required) and in our non-locker 97 we got stuck in snow/slush/mud. so elocker to get out of sticky situations (insurance)


so is it possible? post opinions and thoughts thanks!
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I added 3rd row to my trail. If I was starting with a new vehicle , I'd buy with a 3rd row and add e/air lockers.
 
Buy a pre ~2000 Land Cruiser if you want the e-locker and third row from the factory. If you prefer to stick with a 4Runner then it's a lot easier to add a locker after the fact than the third row. You can't get both from the factory unfortunately.

You may find after driving an SR5 or Limited for a while and using A-TRAC that you don't actually need the locker if you aren't getting really wild off road.
 
the aftermarket lockers like an ARB are way way better than factory and stronger too. its not difficult to break a factory locker, however its a task in itself to damage an ARB. they're built that solidly.
 
marshal said:
the aftermarket lockers like an ARB are way way better than factory and stronger too. its not difficult to break a factory locker, however its a task in itself to damage an ARB. they're built that solidly.
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It seems that the ARB engage much faster then the E-locker but are they really stronger? An honest/uneducated question on the subject. I have not seen a single report of someone breaking one (maybe on an FJ forum and I also haven't looked!) Is that the weak spot in the rear drivetrain? Do they function in similar ways or are the designs totally different (obviously one uses air vs 12v to actuate but is the method of locking the same?

P.S. OP, the above advise to get a factory 3rd row and then add your locker is good. If you find you need a locker you are likely going to be running larger tires and hauling around gear so it provides a good time/excuse to re-gear at the same time.
 
the factory lockers are by no means weak, they're just not as strong as an ARB. ARB's are literally built like brick shit houses. The factory locker has to be engaged at less than 20mph in a straight line and will kick out if you hit 45 if I'm not mistaken. the ARB can be engaged at up to 55mph in any terrain as long as the tires arnt straight up slipping all over the place and have no maximum speed.

you'll break a ring gear or an axle shaft long before you break an ARB. the downside of the ARB is the support equipment that has to go with it for it to operate. primarily, you need an air source capable of delivering 85-100PSI, because thats the pressure required to operate it.

personally I'm a fan of detroit lockers, as they are just as strong and entirely self contained - but they're not selectable either.

my perfect setup would be an ARB in the rear diff and a detroit locker in the front with some form of hydraulic steering assist
 
marshal said:
my perfect setup would be an ARB in the rear diff and a detroit locker in the front with some form of hydraulic steering assist
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Sounds like more a Trail buggy then a street rig! Your 4runner repair seems to be coming along nicely btw, Best of Luck in that regard.
 
Engineer said:
Sounds like more a Trail buggy then a street rig! Your 4runner repair seems to be coming along nicely btw, Best of Luck in that regard.
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hydraulic assist has its place on the street as much as on the trail. you maintain mechanical linkage and have a hydraulic ram to push everything around.

thanks, hopefully it won't take the full 8 weeks
 
marshal said:
hydraulic assist has its place on the street as much as on the trail. you maintain mechanical linkage and have a hydraulic ram to push everything around.

thanks, hopefully it won't take the full 8 weeks
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....More of the Detroit locker upfront if its always engaged.....doesn't sound like fun to drive on the street. What the loaner car? Prius? :cry2:
 
Engineer said:
....More of the Detroit locker upfront if its always engaged.....doesn't sound like fun to drive on the street. What the loaner car? Prius? :cry2:
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you wouldn't ever know it was there outside of the clicking, no pinion input torque to lock the clutches.

2015 Ferd F150 XLT Super Crew 5.0 4x4. breaks my heart this thing has over 400 horsepower and gets significantly better fuel milage than my 4Runner. how behind on the times toyota is.
 
marshal said:
2015 Ferd F150 XLT Super Crew 5.0 4x4. breaks my heart this thing has over 400 horsepower and gets significantly better fuel milage than my 4Runner. how behind on the times toyota is.
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You are talking blasphemy here [MENTION=104049]marshal[/MENTION]

Even with the latest motors from Toyota (the new Tacoma...). They are not even close to the competition in terms of output....IMHO.

I think the reality is that MFGs like GM, Ford, BMW, Chrysler, Nissan, Subaru.... have a rich performance and racing component to their market formula. Toyota totally lacks that and continues to stick with a steady and slow approach with detune for reliability being the #1 goal. We all know TRD is a total joke (basically a California hippie marketing team that can draw pictures and come up with appearance packages) . It's too bad, because I like so many other things about Toyota. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too. At least not yet.

I feel like you could drop a 5.3 (1999 era LSX) into a 5th gen and get 330+ hp and 25+mpg without even trying. That motor came out 10 years before the 5th gen and is as simple as it gets. (btw, i'm probably wrong about the mpg)
 
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[MENTION=106176]wfo9[/MENTION] did you see the new power numbers for the 6.7L cummins? 500hp and 900ft-lbs of torque. inspection for rebuild at 1,000,000 miles
 
Sadly the sequoia is not an option, wife gets car sick in it. Surprisingly she doesn't get sick in the tundra, which is the only full size truck she doesn't get sick in. . We are going Toyota for its current reputation on dependability and longevity.

4runner cause it's newer, and aftermarket is great.

I'm not crazy with my locker, a selectable as I don't want drive with a full time. And it's an insurance for us, if we don't have it and need it, it is much worse than having it and not using it.

Yes bigger tires are expected, armor and winch.

As it sounds best to go air ARB, the trim level still has me confused...
Is there anything in the limited that is a must have over the sr5?
 
I'm looking for a Detroit locker for my 17 4runner can someone please send me a link or a part number for the one i need? Im also doing 4.56 gears
 
recklessval said:
I'm looking for a Detroit locker for my 17 4runner can someone please send me a link or a part number for the one i need? Im also doing 4.56 gears
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You could have typed less just using Google " Detroit Locker for Toyota 4runner"

Stay safe doing that hardcore overloading which needs a detroit locker and 4.56's:lightsaber:

https://www.marlincrawler.com/differential/locker/detroit-locker

While I am at it, the most popular gear shop on here

https://eastcoastgearsupply.com/c-1051895-gear-packages-toyota-4runner.html
 
Thank you for the quick response I noticed the link you sent is for 2003+ 4Runner I read somewhere that in 2010 they changed the axle from a 8.0 to 8.2 is that still the same locker that I need? I have 285 70 17 on it now and I do tow a boat frequently in the summer fishing up and down hills and it's just a dog I also plan on going to 315 so 456 gears will make my life so much easier
 
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