Energy Suspension UCA Problem

[blarchitect]

I purchased a pair of used UCA's with ES bushings already pressed in from orbot They were on a 1996 T4R for an unknown period of time and came with no washers. I attempted to fit them to my 1998 T4R but the gap between the inner bushings was 1/4-1/2" wider than the OEM UCA I removed.
As far as I can tell from ES confusing instructions (http://www.energysuspensionparts.com/installation_instructions/energy_suspension/17232.pdf) the bushings and guides appear to have been installed correctly. Can someone confirm the washer is to be placed on the outside face of the outer bushing (next to the pivot bolt head or nut)?
If so, why is there an excessive gap between the inner faces? I'm stumped

 

[JayRolla]

I purchased a pair of used UCA's with ES bushings already pressed in from orbot They were on a 1996 T4R for an unknown period of time and came with no washers. I attempted to fit them to my 1998 T4R but the gap between the inner bushings was 1/4-1/2" wider than the OEM UCA I removed.
As far as I can tell from ES confusing instructions (http://www.energysuspensionparts.com/installation_instructions/energy_suspension/17232.pdf) the bushings and guides appear to have been installed correctly. Can someone confirm the washer is to be placed on the outside face of the outer bushing (next to the pivot bolt head or nut)?
If so, why is there an excessive between the inner faces? I'm stumped

The washers need to be on each end, nut and bolt. They are pretty thick and should fill up a lot of space. I know my aftermarkets with poly bushings had very large washers and it was a very tight fit.

 

[blarchitect]

The washers need to be on each end, nut and bolt. They are pretty thick and should fill up a lot of space. I know my aftermarkets with poly bushings had very large washers and it was a very tight fit.

Thanks for confirming that. So if the washers are on the ends how do I make up the gap between the inner bushings?

 

[orbot]

post a pic, i dont get what you mean by gap in the inner bushings..

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/how-to-replace-upper-lower-control-arm-bushings.280375/

i followed this guys how to to replace the bushings..

 

[stir_fry_boy]

Thanks for confirming that. So if the washers are on the ends how do I make up the gap between the inner bushings?

When I installed my ES UCA bushings (into OEM UCA) I had a small gap between the frame and the bushing, which was taken up upon tightening the UCA bolt and nut. No issues.

The bushing should be pressed in completely flush to the slightly larger end of the sleeve (furthest to the front, and furthest to the rear).

 

[orbot]

When I installed my ES UCA bushings (into OEM UCA) I had a small gap between the frame and the bushing, which was taken up upon tightening the UCA bolt and nut. No issues..

i mentioned this to the OP as well..

 

[blarchitect]

The gap I was experiencing between the frame and inner bushing was over 1/4" at each end and I think I now know why.

ES state the original outer sleeve has to be pressed tight to the UCA. It projects 1/4" or so. This procedure was followed
in Tacoma write-up posted above. See pic of said sleeve being pressed followed
by a pic of the UCA I purchased. This step seems to have been missed. The knock on effect of not pressing means the ES sleeve
is not correctly located meaning the inside end of the sleeve
end and inner ES bushing are recessed to far into UCA creating the larger between bushing and frame. Tightening the pivot bolt
is not going to take up 1/2" total, besides the ES are not located properly.

Pressing the outer sleeve:
<a href="http://photobucket.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm58/BLARCHITECT/CORRECT.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo CORRECT.jpg"/></a>

My UCA with unpressed outer sleeve projecting 1/4":
<a href="http://photobucket.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm58/BLARCHITECT/Not%20pressed.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo Not pressed.jpg"/></a>

 

[blarchitect]

So due to the error in fitting the ES bushings I now have two large unwieldy paperweights!
How easy is it to remove these ES bushings and guides? Will they be destroyed doing so?

 

[orbot]

Put them on and take pics, i stand by my words i used theese with no issues so i really dont dont know what the fuss is about untill i see
Pressed in what, i torched the old bushing, cleaned the thing and presses the new ones is so i never even touched the damn sleeve in question

 

[orbot]

And this after 4 months!!!
Ive bought studf online that has not served my purpose and i deal with it i never go back to the seller because its both partys responsability to be clear and do some research on the item/s in question
And im NOT washings my hands like i said search for me in other forums and tou wont see anything bad about my stuff

 

[MStudt]

And this after 4 months!!!
Ive bought studf online that has not served my purpose and i deal with it i never go back to the seller because its both partys responsability to be clear and do some research on the item/s in question
And im NOT washings my hands like i said search for me in other forums and tou wont see anything bad about my stuff

Being a responsible seller would have been stating that these were used bushings rather than new bushings. In this post you stated that you were selling some UCA's with "new" ES bushings installed. I'm not exactly sure how bushings that are pink in color would be considered new? New bushings would have been red like the ones in the bag below the used UCA's. You're LCA bushings don't state they're new, but clearly are. Made "you" mixed things up, and didn't catch it.

Either way the UCA bushings are indeed used, and have been mounted. That being said if you didn't have any issues neither should the other person. There's a clear miscommunication here.

PS: work on your ****ing punctuation!

 

[orbot]

I dont give a shit of my punctuation $40 in arms and pressed bushings is not good enough, want a refund after 4 months and buying online through discussion forum

 

[blarchitect]

I never once asked for any partial or full refund but was merely looking for assistance. I did point out that I spent a small fortune on carriage and customs duties. I thought I was buying a pair of UCA's that would bolt on with no need for bushings or machine shops etc. (ie. hassle) This was not the case. I was simply trying to find out why they did not fit. You said you followed the Tacoma write-up but you did not and I have shown you where you went wrong with the bushing installation. Your keep saying I should just bolt them on and wing it. Not my style brother as there where obviously something amiss.
I have learned two things from this sorry experience. One, I will never purchase from you again and two I've gained some knowledge on ES bushings. It's up to forum members make their own judgement on the former.
My questions on removal of the bushings remains. Anyone?
Cheers

 

[MStudt]

I dont give a shit of my punctuation $40 in arms and pressed bushings is not good enough, want a refund after 4 months and buying online through discussion forum

Is that a question or statement in red. It's ****ing impossible to tell, but at least you capitalized the I.

It's very ****ing clear you don't give a shit about your $40 arms with used bushings. You state the bushings are new, and they are NOT. Way to be a responsible seller, and not assuming responsibility for your misleading ad. New does not mean used, or at least not to me.

I never once asked for any partial or full refund but was merely looking for assistance. I don't point out that I spent a small fortune on carriage and customs duties. I thought I was buying a pair UCA's that would bolt on with no need for bushings or machine shops etc. (ie. hassle) This was not the case. I was simply trying to find out why the did not fit. You said you followed the Tacoma write-up but you did not and I have shown you where you went wrong with the bushing installation. Your keep saying I should just bolt them and wing it. Not my style brother as there where something obviously something amiss.
I have learned two things from this sorry experience. One, I will never purchase from you again and two I've gained some knowledge on ES bushings. It's up to forum members make their own judgement on the former.
My questions on removal of the bushings remains. Anyone?
Cheers

Seems like you got hosed by someone who "doesn't give a shit about $40 arms".

[MENTION=10751]blarchitect[/MENTION] you can try pressing the bushings back out. Make sure you have something almost the same diameter as the bushings though. They may still be new enough that they'll come out without ruining them. Poly bushings are usually pretty easy to get out if they haven't been in for too long.

 

[orbot]

I had no issues withbthe arms, after replacing them i had no use for them i decided to sell i never thought anyone would have issues, i didnt, i used 4 washers, one on each end and after torquing no gaps appear, i drive alot on the street never felt bumps or heard noises if you have issues im sorry it was not my intention to sell a badly assembled piece, like i asked before what do you need from me, if you want a partial refund im ok with that, you found the solution that works for you thats great too i will admit i got upset after the fact that i got called out after a good time passed and im not known for selling bad parts again wasnt my intention. I can be responsable only to the addres you gave me.

 

[nevada]

So due to the error in fitting the ES bushings I now have two large unwieldy paperweights!
How easy is it to remove these ES bushings and guides? Will they be destroyed doing so?

ok, im confused.
I understand the sleeve isn't in all the way, but why don't you just press them in? you know what the solution is, why not do it?

with a decent sized vice, it shouldn't be too difficult.

hell, I bet you could even get them fully seated with a hammer. just use an appropriate spacer, so as not to damage the sleeve, or bushing.
heat should not be required to get it seated.

 

[blarchitect]

ok, im confused.
I understand the sleeve isn't in all the way, but why don't you just press them in? you know what the solution is, why not do it?

with a decent sized vice, it shouldn't be too difficult.

hell, I bet you could even get them fully seated with a hammer. just use an appropriate spacer, so as not to damage the sleeve, or bushing.
heat should not be required to get it seated.

My understanding is you press the existing sleeve prior to installing the bushings as it sets the final bushing and new ES guide position. As a consequence, the inner face bushings have been pressed in too far. I not sure how to remove them as they are in two pieces and are pushed in from each side.

 

[stir_fry_boy]

The gap I was experiencing between the frame and inner bushing was over 1/4" at each end and I think I now know why.

My UCA with unpressed outer sleeve projecting 1/4":
<a href="http://photobucket.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm58/BLARCHITECT/Not%20pressed.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo Not pressed.jpg"/></a>

It appears that while pressing out the original bushing, the sleeve did move. The sleeve is too far out, the bushing is flush against the sleeve (which is correct). I removed my original bushings by pressing them toward the middle of the UCA, thus preventing movement of the sleeve.

You need to press the sleeve further into the UCA, then it will work. You will need quite a bit of heat, and possibly a press.

Good luck.

 

[stir_fry_boy]

My understanding is you press the existing sleeve prior to installing the bushings as it sets the final bushing and new ES guide position. As a consequence, the inner face bushings have been pressed in too far. I not sure how to remove them as they are in two pieces and are pushed in from each side.

If [MENTION=119371]orbot[/MENTION] would have not removed the bushing incorrectly, you won't have to do anything with the sleeve. The sleeves have to be pressed in further.

If it were me I would:
1) Remove new ES bushing with a press (rental at AZ or O'Riley).
2) Use a torch to heat up the UCA where the sleeve is.
3) Use same press (with a washer bigger than the sleeve) and press it in. You may also want to get the 4WD press adapter set, as I used some adapters in that to get my new bushings in. A vise may not be strong enough, but with enough heat it could be.
4) Re-grease and re-install ES bushing.

 

[blarchitect]

It appears that while pressing out the original bushing, the sleeve did move. The sleeve is too far out, the bushing is flush against the sleeve (which is correct). I removed my original bushings by pressing them toward the middle of the UCA, thus preventing movement of the sleeve.

You need to press the sleeve further into the UCA, then it will work. You will need quite a bit of heat, and possibly a press.

Good luck.

Cheers for the suggestion which I will explore further. I believe that's the factory position of the sleeve. Would applying heat or a 10 ton press not damage the bushings??