Expedition Overland returns to the MacKenzie Trail

But I think it is paying off for Toyota. I've had 4 or 5 guys in JKs seek me out on trails and ask me about my "TRD Pro" LOL 4runner. They always bring up this show and talk about how cool it is and mention they are thinking about getting a 4runner and setting it up for overland LOL.

Funny story, while we were in Canyonlands a couple of weekends ago a Jeep followed us down Bobby's Hole. He was complimenting my "TRD Pro" 4Runner (I have a small TRD badge on the rear liftgate) and wanted to know if I'd seen Expedition Overland.
 
IDK, something about that show really bugs me but I will still watch it for the entertainment factor.

Just makes me feel a bit uncomfortable for some reason. Can't really pinpoint why. Maybe it is just the narration. It's just too darn serious for such amateur activities. Call it what it is.. guys doing worthless stuff that is sort of fun. It's not some deep adventure into the soul... Plus, they are way over prepared and carry way too much crap with too much product placement.

Packing up enough equipment (except fuel LOL) to go open an old trail in mosquito infested logging country does not seem like much fun to me. :shrug: I guess it sells shit, which is the entire purpose of the show.

But I think it is paying off for Toyota. I've had 4 or 5 guys in JKs seek me out on trails and ask me about my "TRD Pro" LOL 4runner. They always bring up this show and talk about how cool it is and mention they are thinking about getting a 4runner and setting it up for overland LOL.

I enjoyed all 3- but I thought it rather amusing that they chose to fill up their initial water supply from a lake when they had perfectly good water available before they left. Just saying. Lol
 
35 miles to a tank. Not something you hear very often.

Cool little documentary. The amount of work put into that trip was astonishing.


Now, back to work... :ranger:
 
Just makes me feel a bit uncomfortable for some reason. Can't really pinpoint why. Maybe it is just the narration. It's just too darn serious for such amateur activities. Call it what it is.. guys doing worthless stuff that is sort of fun. It's not some deep adventure into the soul... Plus, they are way over prepared and carry way too much crap with too much product placement.

they sure do take themselves way too seriously. Its enjoyable to watch but not seriously :)

As for turning off traction control, it both snow and mud sometimes pure brute force is required.
 
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I enjoyed all 3- but I thought it rather amusing that they chose to fill up their initial water supply from a lake when they had perfectly good water available before they left. Just saying. Lol

Yea, its the shameless product placement acts like that that make it seem cheesy.

Another amusing moment was the decision to finally air back up to conserve fuel after traveling for quite some time at speed on flat dirt roads and about to run out of fuel....
 
Yeah I don't want to pile on, because I like what they are doing, but in the hopes these guys are reading - the videos would be a lot stronger without the narration and sometimes cringe-worthy descriptions.

The content is strong enough and they are putting in the hard work. Just go with a cinéma vérité style and it will be more powerful in the long run and make for a more cinematic experience.
 
Yea, its the shameless product placement acts like that that make it seem cheesy.

Another amusing moment was the decision to finally air back up to conserve fuel after traveling for quite some time at speed on flat dirt roads and about to run out of fuel....

I think it's important to be constructive in terms of feedback about this show, especially with so many people essentially now trying to draft off their success with their own overland shows. The reality is this is pretty competently produced marketing piece.

That said, and I know Clay and those guys from a few interactions, but people need to separate out a real travelog show from what is a marketing piece. Their north american and yukon series are where things peaked as far as storytelling, even if their technical level climbed after. But the south american stuff was boring as shit.

There's absolutely little challenge in the stories being told, and my desire to see a bunch of well equipped white guys tackle dirt roads is pretty low.

The other thing is they're now in a position where people are looking to them and their builds as "the way to do it." And that's a bit dangerous because some of their advice makes me scratch my head. For example look at their last series with their tires. They took AT's into the jungle and absolutely got their ass handed to them when EVERYONE knew MTs were a better choice. But general paid their bills, so there's that.

This season I am pretty perplexed that they put aluminum sliders on their Tacoma. I mean I guess anything is better than their insistence on sticking with running boards, but aluminum? Dude, no. I love CBI, and had XO said "we're testing out aluminum rock rails to see how they perform" I'd have given them a pass. But to justify rock rails in aluminum was foolish. There's a reason sliders/rails are steel for a reason. Dear XO, you can't claim you're all about that weight savings when you've packed your Tacoma to the gills with extra crap, and then skimp on critical armor. Here's a reality: Expo rigs are heavy, they're heavy for a reason. They're not rock crawlers or desert pre-runners, quit trying to skirt the issue.

Phew...okay...now breath...
 
IDK, something about that show really bugs me but I will still watch it for the entertainment factor.

Call it what it is.. guys doing worthless stuff that is sort of fun.

This describes every sport, drama, sitcom or reality tv show. Every show on TV or the internet is designed to do one thing and one thing only... sell advertising space for profit.

I enjoyed all 3- but I thought it rather amusing that they chose to fill up their initial water supply from a lake when they had perfectly good water available before they left. Just saying. Lol

My first thought exactly.

they sure do take themselves way too seriously. Its enjoyable to watch but not seriously :)

As for turning off traction control, it both snow and mud sometimes pure brute force is required.

I drive in lots of snow and try not to drive in deep mud but sometimes it can't be avoided. Sometimes you got to spin to build initial momentum. Leaving the nannies on assures you will not do that in the slick deep stuff.

I have not done a deep swift water crossing in years but I know from experience, when your vehicle gets "light" you want all the wheels spinning to grab as much traction as possible. Even when you have one or two lift off the bottom the spinning tire will act as a crude paddle to keep you moving in hopefully the right direction. Also, you always aim for a point upstream of your intended exit point and if you are lucky you will sort of drift to the correct place lol.
 
I think it's important to be constructive in terms of feedback about this show, especially with so many people essentially now trying to draft off their success with their own overland shows. The reality is this is pretty competently produced marketing piece.

That said, and I know Clay and those guys from a few interactions, but people need to separate out a real travelog show from what is a marketing piece. Their north american and yukon series are where things peaked as far as storytelling, even if their technical level climbed after. But the south american stuff was boring as shit.

There's absolutely little challenge in the stories being told, and my desire to see a bunch of well equipped white guys tackle dirt roads is pretty low.

The other thing is they're now in a position where people are looking to them and their builds as "the way to do it." And that's a bit dangerous because some of their advice makes me scratch my head. For example look at their last series with their tires. They took AT's into the jungle and absolutely got their ass handed to them when EVERYONE knew MTs were a better choice. But general paid their bills, so there's that.

This season I am pretty perplexed that they put aluminum sliders on their Tacoma. I mean I guess anything is better than their insistence on sticking with running boards, but aluminum? Dude, no. I love CBI, and had XO said "we're testing out aluminum rock rails to see how they perform" I'd have given them a pass. But to justify rock rails in aluminum was foolish. There's a reason sliders/rails are steel for a reason. Dear XO, you can't claim you're all about that weight savings when you've packed your Tacoma to the gills with extra crap, and then skimp on critical armor. Here's a reality: Expo rigs are heavy, they're heavy for a reason. They're not rock crawlers or desert pre-runners, quit trying to skirt the issue.

Phew...okay...now breath...

I agree wholeheartedly. The other thing is pulling a trailer through that crap. Anyone who has pulled a trailer off road would think twice before pulling one on that trip. I'm sure sponsor dollars were at work here but, if I were planning a trip through those conditions the trailer would have stayed home and we would have figured out how to live lighter for 10 days.

I have to give them credit though, if someone filmed a trip of mine it would make that group look like genius's lol.
 
I drive in lots of snow and try not to drive in deep mud but sometimes it can't be avoided. Sometimes you got to spin to build initial momentum. Leaving the nannies on assures you will not do that in the slick deep stuff.

I have not done a deep swift water crossing in years but I know from experience, when your vehicle gets "light" you want all the wheels spinning to grab as much traction as possible. Even when you have one or two lift off the bottom the spinning tire will act as a crude paddle to keep you moving in hopefully the right direction. Also, you always aim for a point upstream of your intended exit point and if you are lucky you will sort of drift to the correct place lol.

Not only that but the ability to slide somewhere else to gain traction on something else is very important and saved my ass more than once. It's also against everything the nanny systems are designed to do so it's nice to be able to turn them off.

Of course the responsible thing to do is get out and use the winch or maxtrac or something but where is the fun in that?
 
I agree wholeheartedly. The other thing is pulling a trailer through that crap. Anyone who has pulled a trailer off road would think twice before pulling one on that trip. I'm sure sponsor dollars were at work here but, if I were planning a trip through those conditions the trailer would have stayed home and we would have figured out how to live lighter for 10 days.

I have to give them credit though, if someone filmed a trip of mine it would make that group look like genius's lol.

I'm glad XO is off filming the Rebelle Rally right now, since their wives do the most wheeling.

Also the amount of over-dramatic storytelling, oh lordy...
 
Also the amount of over-dramatic storytelling, oh lordy...

It almost looks like a cable television series. I bet off camera, it was nothing but cursing, nose picking, crude jokes, and farting. Looked like fun though. I wish I could do that kind of stuff.
 
Such an awesome show. I wonder how much they have into those trucks...

Not as much as you'd think. There's a lot of builds here by other members who have far more into theirs. There's a lot less critical armor and other bits then you'd think.

I crawled around under Apollo at Overland Rally in June and was kind of dismayed.
 
The show is best enjoyed for what it is - entertainment.

I think the exposure to the trucks and what they are capable of is a positive for the community. There is no denying the success of the marketing aspect of it - would you rather see those awful Toyota commercials where the dude is magically parking a Prius for the 75th time? Yea, no. Cool rigs doing some pretty cool adventuring. I'm all for that.

That being said - have you guys seen some of the other 'Overlanding' shows on YouTube?! 30 minutes of talking to locals and fishing. 2 minutes (if that) of showing what the rig looks like. I know that they obviously don't have the budget that XO does - but good god THAT literally puts me to sleep.
 
I think it's important to be constructive in terms of feedback about this show, especially with so many people essentially now trying to draft off their success with their own overland shows. The reality is this is pretty competently produced marketing piece.

That said, and I know Clay and those guys from a few interactions, but people need to separate out a real travelog show from what is a marketing piece. Their north american and yukon series are where things peaked as far as storytelling, even if their technical level climbed after. But the south american stuff was boring as shit.

There's absolutely little challenge in the stories being told, and my desire to see a bunch of well equipped white guys tackle dirt roads is pretty low.

The other thing is they're now in a position where people are looking to them and their builds as "the way to do it." And that's a bit dangerous because some of their advice makes me scratch my head. For example look at their last series with their tires. They took AT's into the jungle and absolutely got their ass handed to them when EVERYONE knew MTs were a better choice. But general paid their bills, so there's that.

This season I am pretty perplexed that they put aluminum sliders on their Tacoma. I mean I guess anything is better than their insistence on sticking with running boards, but aluminum? Dude, no. I love CBI, and had XO said "we're testing out aluminum rock rails to see how they perform" I'd have given them a pass. But to justify rock rails in aluminum was foolish. There's a reason sliders/rails are steel for a reason. Dear XO, you can't claim you're all about that weight savings when you've packed your Tacoma to the gills with extra crap, and then skimp on critical armor. Here's a reality: Expo rigs are heavy, they're heavy for a reason. They're not rock crawlers or desert pre-runners, quit trying to skirt the issue.

Phew...okay...now breath...

Don't bring that white guilt over here.
 

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