Fatal Design Flaw '01-'02 4Runner Brake Master Assembly $3k

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I've loved my 2001 4Runner since I bought it. Its been easy to work on and very reliable. Parts haven't been too expensive. I'm at about 230,000 miles and she still runs great.

HOWEVER...
The brake master cylinder assembly for the 01 and 02 is a bastard. Toyota changed the design to accommodate the traction control bs and made the unit very very expensive and treated it as a one piece assembly that should not be disassembled. Mine has started screeching a god awful metallic scraping death howl and throwing up all my dash lights along with dash alarm. I'm worried my brakes may fail at some point. I've spoken to 7 different mechanics in my town and no one wants to touch it because the design is unusually complicated and "different." They see the Nitrogen filled accumulator with Japanese writing all over it and their faces fill with panic every time. I finally went to the Toyota Stealership and they want over $3000 to replace the assembly. Their Master Mechanic came outside and told me I'm screwed and the assembly cannot be rebuilt (I don't really believe that yet). If I really had to pay that much this truck would become a total loss...that's more than it would cost to do a used motor swap..and maybe tranny too!

This master assembly part is impossible to find for under $1000 new. Its very hard to find used anywhere at all. After a full day studying and searching this I finally found one with 100k miles on it on Ebay for a decent price after some haggling. I have an independent import specialist mechanic installing it tomorrow. It shouldn't be that difficult of a swap but I'd rather let a pro do the brakes. I have my fingers crossed that the used unit will be good for another 100k or more. I got really lucky because this will probably end up costing only around $600 in total which is a lot better than Toyota wanted but still a lot of money. Especially when you consider that the failure could be caused by something as minor as a bad o-ring or spring under the accumulator. It may be the pump itself. Idk yet. If all goes to plan I'll be able to perform an autopsy on my bad unit and find the failure.

I'm posting this because it was rather difficult to troubleshoot and diagnose this issue on a 3rd Gen 4Runner. If I knew this could happen I may not have bought an 01. I probably would have looked for a 99 with regular brake master setup that is cheap to replace. There are very few info threads here on this topic that don't just dead end or OP pays the full $3k to fix. I actually found more info on IH8MUD. The 2000 Land Cruiser has the same master assembly setup and there are stories and videos of the same noise online. I feel like this issue should be covered in the 3rd Gen Buyer's Guide because although seemingly rare, it is a fatal failure for most budget rigs. Use this as a PSA/warning/whatever. If your 01 or 02 makes this noise, you may be quite ****ed.


video of the brake master assembly noise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlilHc0UyIk
 
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Interesting. That part might be worth kkeeping an eye out for someone parting out their 01-02 4runners.

I might suggest, that since you are replacing it anyway, you should try dissecting the old one to see if there is any chance of servicing them. It's not like you are going to break it at this point. Tell your mechanic to hold on to the part. At least take some pics of the unit for the tread.

Thanks for posting your issue, and I am glad it is getting sorted.
 
Now I know why the master cylinders on the 01 and 02 are one of the first things pulled on these trucks at the Pick and Pulls.
 
Now I know why the master cylinders on the 01 and 02 are one of the first things pulled on these trucks at the Pick and Pulls.

Interesting, you'd think that those of us who are here almost everyday would know about this issue.
 
How is it even possible for the hydraulic brake system to even make that sound? I second a post mortem analysis.
 
Appreciate the heads up, will have to keep an eye out at the junk yards for a spare unit for my 01 just in case.

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What a noise!

Just turn up the radio!!

Just kidding.

A guy in our 4th gen section who IMHO is a bad ass rebuilt his. I'll look around for that post.

The good news is that you almost certainly can rebuild it and then keep it or sell it.

Good job getting this done without the stealership, by the way!
 
[MENTION=66389]BlackWorksInc[/MENTION] looks like he pulled it off. And in post 6 below, [MENTION=139329]Hawaiian Hillbilly[/MENTION] rebuilt his:

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/120125-hydraboost-brake-assembly.html

Check out this thread too; looks like it has instructions and also possibly a link to a rebuild kit. This info may not work on your 3rd gen, but let's be honest. Your unit was the prototype for the 4th gen unit so it has to be very similar.

See post 11 and 12:

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/171866-master-cylinder-gave-up.html



Good luck!
 
How is it even possible for the hydraulic brake system to even make that sound? I second a post mortem analysis.

It's most likely either the motor itself or the hydraulic pump that it powers.

You really can't "rebuild" units in the sense of say an engine or transmission, I don't recall seeing any parts kits for that. The units are basically broken up into three main portions; the master cylinder portion (houses the reservoir, piston, and other parts like a traditional master cylinder), the ABS Solenoid Pack/Module (depending on the unit it's the ABS/VSC brains coupled with the solenoid pack that provides ABS/VSC/TRAC functions and is bolted to the Master Cylinder Portion), and the Accumulator & Pump Assembly (this is the high-pressure side with the hydraulic pump, accumulator tank, and lines; these are usually what end up giving up the ghost over time, though not as frequently as you might think) the I ran into this when the master cylinder portion of my 4th gen's unit failed and it wouldn't work well (ironically a rare failure mode for these as usually the accumulator or the pumps go bad more than the master cylinder portion).

That being said these days you can buy the accumulator and motor/pump portions separately (about half the cost of a full unit if I recall) and replace them. Just make sure you follow the instructions and depressurize the unit if you do go that route. Though I will mention that sometimes it will end up being the whole unit that requires replacing and/or sometimes just replacing the accumulator & pump won't fix it.

Also IF you're going to try and tear one down to replace things, make sure you're using the correct parts. I don't think 3rd gens had the same in-line changes that 4th gens did; but on the 4th gens the units did get upgraded/changed over the course of the generation so there's 2 different units/set of parts for the vehicle depending on the year.

Additionally if you're replacing the whole unit, make sure you're using the appropriate drivetrain combo. i.e. if your vehicle is a 2WD, order a new/used unit for a 2WD and vice versa. Otherwise you'll have DTCs that can't be cleared and the unit may not function correctly.

Post Note-

I'm not sure I'd call it a "fatal design flaw", it's just the progression of technology. Almost everyone has abandoned the traditional vacuum booster and separate ABS Solenoid Pack for these "all-in-one" hydraulically assisted units because of their strengthens. Unfortunately one of their downfalls is being very expensive to replace/repair. I had one guy say he found a "rebuild" kit through Toyota for them, but he never got back to me about what the part numbers were. There were one or two guys who were very suspicious and said that they rebuild these units for a fee, but when pressed for details they mysteriously disappeared and they just seemed fishy.

I think one guy on the Landcruiser forums actually tore his motor unit down and had the motor refurbished? But I'm not sure how he went about that and how it ended up working out in the long run in regards to cost/effectiveness.
[MENTION=104572]Slowgoat[/MENTION]

They were actually brought down from the LC100 if I recall correctly, those were used on that vehicle first and slowly trickled down to the 4Runner. After the 3rd gen the J120/J150 platform adopted them across the board with the Tacoma being the last one to start having them standard (I forgot exactly what year they just stopped putting vacuum boosters in them, they did this odd some of them had it, some of them didn't for the 2nd gen Tacomas).

As for the "rebuild kit" it's a new piston assembly for the master cylinder portion of the unit: https://partsouq.com/en/search/all?q=04493-60350
Though I'm not sure if the piston is different between say the 3rd Gen 4Runner '01~'02 Units, the '03~'04 Units, and the '06~'09, '10+ Units. I would guess probably not since a lot of the changes seem to be more on the pump/solenoid pack side... But I'm not sure.
 
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I ended up replacing mine earlier this year, posted a reply on the thread here: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/240741-what-electric-motor-runs-startup-doing.html

I'd get all the dash lights and alarm only when the temps were below freezing at startup, so I drove made it through a couple winters before getting around to replacing it (not my daily driver, only about 150k). Dealer quoted over $3k for just the part, found a rebuilt one on eBay for ~$400, seems to be working fine so far.

I also found that ih8mud link and considered going the rebuild route before finding a cheaper one on ebay, but here's the link for anyone interested: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/master-cylinder-rebuild-diy.406533/

I agree though, a prohibitively expensive part for a 15 year old vehicle.
 
I would not buy through that link. Especially without a pic. Their product weight is less than 6 lbs but a master assembly is 20 lbs. For that price you are only getting some parts, and you won't know what until they arrive.

Good catch regarding the weight; is the part number correct though? I've gotten many items from Partsouq with no issues in the past.
 
Good catch regarding the weight; is the part number correct though? I've gotten many items from Partsouq with no issues in the past.

It may be a legit booster pump, but that is only one part of the assembly and may not necessarily fix what's broke. Me or someone else needs to do an autopsy on screaming assemblies before recommending specific parts to replace. That's why today I had my entire assembly replaced with a 100k mile unit. When I get time ill start tinkering with the old assembly. I would bet either the pump or accumulator caused the failure but need to prove it.
 
It may be a legit booster pump, but that is only one part of the assembly and may not necessarily fix what's broke. Me or someone else needs to do an autopsy on screaming assemblies before recommending specific parts to replace. That's why today I had my entire assembly replaced with a 100k mile unit. When I get time ill start tinkering with the old assembly. I would bet either the pump or accumulator caused the failure but need to prove it.



I wonder if the motor bearings or bushings are bad. My 96 saturns ABS pump would squeal when it was below freezing.


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You can get the hydraulic seal kit form the dealer for $50 or so. Also you can rebuild the booster pump. The failure is the contact points on the armature (motor), and a shop in CA is rebuilding these. They also have rebuilt units.

Yes, when you get the dash lights and an alarm, you are there. I think you still have about 10 full brake paddle strokes to stop the truck after the alarm sound. Imagine it failing on a 6000 lb Cruiser...
 
You can get the hydraulic seal kit form the dealer for $50 or so. Also you can rebuild the booster pump. The failure is the contact points on the armature (motor), and a shop in CA is rebuilding these. They also have rebuilt units.

Yes, when you get the dash lights and an alarm, you are there. I think you still have about 10 full brake paddle strokes to stop the truck after the alarm sound. Imagine it failing on a 6000 lb Cruiser...

I was lucky in that my brakes never totally failed. Every morning for 7 days the noise began screaming in the morning during cold starts. After truck warmed up it was quiet. Most days the truck was normal after the morning scream. Then one morning the dash lights and alarm tripped. Then every other day lights and alarm would trip. Noise gradually got louder and continued for a longer duration. I'd start it and let it get good and hot for 30 minutes before attempting to move it. The cacophony of noise coming from my garage had all my neighbors staring and giving me worried looks. It reminded me of when I used to smoke cigarettes, every morning I'd wake up coughing and hacking for 10 minutes but after I'd be ok for the day. Girlfriend thought I was dying, but after I got it out I was fine.
I needed the truck for work so I figured out to just get it hot and then unplug the battery for 2 minutes then restart. Doing that made the truck "forget" about the problem until the next cold start.
I do not recommend this as a real solution but it did work for me for several days. Brakes continued to work properly, though I kept a lot of distance from vehicles in front of me and my hand on the E-brake when driving as a last resort in case of total brake failure.
I'm thinking it's a bearing in the pump motor that performs better when hot. The failure symptoms usually only appeared during cold starts.
 
I have an '01 and I have always wondered how much it would cost to replace the master cylinder whenever I was doing work under the hood. I knew it wouldn't be cheap just the sheer complexity of its design but I would never have guessed it would be $3K.
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I'm trying to wrap my head around that price, it's just so outlandish.

My truck has 242K and is due for a rear axle seal repair, power steering rack replacement and a fuel pump replacement. All of which are very expensive repairs as you all probably already know. I hope and pray this MC develops no issues because I just can't afford another repair at this point.

Thank you for sharing this information, Mutant.
 
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