Finding a minor coolant leak?

thezentree

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I'm losing an ounce or two of coolant a week and I'm not sure where to start looking for it. So far I haven't been able to find coolant pooled anywhere or any obvious signs of leaks, but I'm needing to add coolant to the reservoir every couple of weeks.

Occasionally I can smell it when the windows are down at a stoplight, but no smoke on startup or anything so I don't think it's a head gasket, although I haven't really done any sort of formal diagnosis there.

Are there common points where the cooling system might leak a little bit like that? On previous vehicles I've either had no leaks or "holy shit I need a tow truck".
 
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You can remove or pull back the upper timing cover and you can see if the water pump is leaking.

You could also pressure test the system.
Some auto parts stores rent/lend tools.
 
thermostat housing, water pump but also check the coolant bypass connection it runs in the middle between the two heads and is connected to the block with rtv. A good way would be after driving park the car for 20 to 30 minutes and then check for leaks.
 
Check the coolant lines going to the rear heater. The lines are coated steel and prone to corrosion. On my 2.7 4cylinder the lines are located under the passage seat just outside the exhaust pipe/cat. I replaced a large section of mine with high temp rubber coolant hose.
 
To start with, how old is the water pump?

See any white smoke on the first crank of the morning?

The water pump was supposedly replaced with the timing belt right before I bought it (from my sister) in April of last year. That was about 15,000 miles ago.

No smoke at startup.

You can remove or pull back the upper timing cover and you can see if the water pump is leaking.

You could also pressure test the system.
Some auto parts stores rent/lend tools.

I'll look into that. SWMBO is working all next weekend so I should have plenty of time, haha.

thermostat housing, water pump but also check the coolant bypass connection it runs in the middle between the two heads and is connected to the block with rtv. A good way would be after driving park the car for 20 to 30 minutes and then check for leaks.

I'll check that out.

Check the coolant lines going to the rear heater. The lines are coated steel and prone to corrosion. On my 2.7 4cylinder the lines are located under the passage seat just outside the exhaust pipe/cat. I replaced a large section of mine with high temp rubber coolant hose.

I will look at this too.
 
I'm losing an ounce or two of coolant a week and I'm not sure where to start looking for it. So far I haven't been able to find coolant pooled anywhere or any obvious signs of leaks, but I'm needing to add coolant to the reservoir every couple of weeks.

Occasionally I can smell it when the windows are down at a stoplight, but no smoke on startup or anything so I don't think it's a head gasket, although I haven't really done any sort of formal diagnosis there.

Are there common points where the cooling system might leak a little bit like that? On previous vehicles I've either had no leaks or "holy shit I need a tow truck".

The first thing I would do is replace the radiator cap. Cheap & easy. A source of many small leaks - ought to be replaced when doing the thermostat but often overlooked. See if that fixes it...if not, dig deeper.

Buckaroo
 
Hey thezentree - odd thing, I noticed a situation similar to yours a couple of weeks ago. This morning, I went out and did my fluid checks before going out and about. The reservoir was empty, and I couldn't see coolant in the radiator under the cap. It took about 2 cups of coolant mix to top off the radiator, and the other two cups I had mixed up went into the reservoir, going a little above the full line. So, I'd lost a little less than a quart of coolant.

Where did it go? ATF looks happy, oil looks happy, no white steam coming out of the tailpipe, no obvious leaks dripping off the undercarriage, no puddles or stains on the pavement, no coolant leaking out of the lines to the rear seat heater. Weird.

A little later in the day, after driving around a bit, I popped the hood in a parking lot and my chica and I gave it a good look. nothing. A fellow T4R owner drove by, stopped, asked if we were ok. We 'splained. He leapt out, pointed his flashlight straight down behind the alternator toward the forward shield/pan thingy, and sure enough, it was wet with what looked like coolant from that distance. "Probably the water pump," he said. We chatted for a bit, and off he went. We're imagining that the leak is slow enough and happens when the truck is running, so it blows off while driving.

We have a receipt for water pump, timing belt, spark plugs, and some other stuff from a hefty 90K service bill. We're at 141K now. When we bought the truck at 114K miles, I checked the spark plugs and discovered that they were single electrode, wrong spec, and nearly gone. I replaced them with proper stuff. This got me thinking that the shop that did the work probably didn't use good parts in general, and may not have done good work putting it all back together. The truck has consistently run hot at 204-207 (ScanGauge II), suggesting a possible improper thermostat or proper thermostat with jiggle valve in the wrong position. There has been a slightly unpleasant sound coming from what I think may be a bearing in the vicinity of the timing belt idler pulleys and water pump. So, who knows what the shop didn't do right during the big service if they couldn't get the sparkplugs right?

Our awesome tool guy - Tim - on this forum posted this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHC46ypHxWc&frags=pl,wn. Check it out at 56:50 and you'll see him pulling the water pump off and discovering that the previous replacement did not include the proper gasket. Could be your situation and mine.

So, now I'm looking at cost-risk-benefit for doing the job myself or finding someone I think I can trust to do it. Also, gonna refresh every wear item on the way in to the water pump with OEM since the bulk of the money is in time spent - radiator, timing belt, tensioners, idler pulleys, crankshaft oil seal, thermostat, water pump, drive belts, and whatever else looks tasty. Chica's lost interest and said something like, "fix the Snoop." Marching orders... First, I have to confirm the ooze in the pan is coolant, and that it's coming from the water pump area.

tim

ps, I was on the verge of ordering Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo 3s when this popped up. Arrgh! Snoop's new shoes are delayed.
 
Coolant dye is a life saver. Put some in and drive it for while and use a flash light to find the trail of dye take a lot of guess work out of finding a leak unless it obvious
 
I had a mysterious coolant leak I couldn't find and I would also get small wiffs of coolant smells occasionally. It ended up being the heater hoses at the back of the engine near the fire wall. It would leak onto the exhaust so I never saw anything on the ground.

I replaced both of the hoses and it hasn't leaked since. BTW, its a total nightmare to replace them so hopefully your leak is elsewhere.
 
+1 on the coolant dye. It should be $30 for a kit, which saves you alot of hassle instead of trying to guess where the leak is and throwing parts at the problem.
 
Coolant dye is a life saver. Put some in and drive it for while and use a flash light to find the trail of dye take a lot of guess work out of finding a leak unless it obvious

+1 on the coolant dye. It should be $30 for a kit, which saves you alot of hassle instead of trying to guess where the leak is and throwing parts at the problem.

I'm going to go get some of this stuff and give it a shot.

I had a mysterious coolant leak I couldn't find and I would also get small wiffs of coolant smells occasionally. It ended up being the heater hoses at the back of the engine near the fire wall. It would leak onto the exhaust so I never saw anything on the ground.

I replaced both of the hoses and it hasn't leaked since. BTW, its a total nightmare to replace them so hopefully your leak is elsewhere.

Oh great. I think this might be my issue. This morning I found a couple of droplets of coolant on the passenger side of the front diff and a few more on the passenger side of the engine.
 
The throttle body coolant line leaked on me. It was a bugger to find. All the old factory spring clamps on the back heater hoses leaked. I bought new clamps and hoses from the dealer.

There is also a coolant bypass line under the intake.


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