Frame Rust Prevention.

[nissanh]

corrosion

So this product will convert rust inside the frame to (?)


And you can spray on any rust ? Does it matter how bad the rust is ? Hard to know how much rust inside the frame

I'm interested in this.

Nothing going to happen to the corroded metal, but it will prevent any further oxidation (corrosion) of the metal. Zinc will take the place of metal and gets oxidized.

 

[shahsmerdis]

I came across this product, just didn't know how many cans I needed.
3 cans for just the inside frame? wow. holy cow, 2 4runners this will get expensive...

this converts, encapsulates and paints right? I was thinking of just fluid filming the insides. but this looks way better.

 

[Knight-Errant]

I came across this product, just didn't know how many cans I needed.
3 cans for just the inside frame? wow. holy cow, 2 4runners this will get expensive...

this converts, encapsulates and paints right? I was thinking of just fluid filming the insides. but this looks way better.

I just did this yeserday, eastwood is having a sale now if you're interested in ordering direct form them.

My understanding is that is is a resin film that coats the inside of the frame and stops rust from occurring, or old rust from spreading. It is almost like coating the frame with "plastic." 3 cans on my 5th gen worked fine.

They also sell it in "black" instead of "green".....that way you don't have green streaks everywhere, not that is really matters.

 

[Vinny C]

Sweet! I just happened upon a Youtube video from Eastwood on this product last week and was considering picking some up. Good to know how much it will take, thanks for posting.

 

[Scramble]

Hi guys, I just thought I would do a review/write up on a really cool frame rust preventer I just used on my 4runner's chassis.
First off
-My Runners frame was EXTREMELY rust free just some surface rust on the welds.
-Second the exterior surfaces of the chassis have been sanded, primed and painted with brush-on oil based tremclad. (to prevent further rust in the many years this truck will run for.)

So I thought I have just rust proofed the exterior of the chassis what about the interior? So I did some research and found this product.

The product is called "EASTWOOD INTERNAL FRAME COATING"
It has

•Tough phenolic resin penetrates, converts and encapsulates the rust on the internal surface
•Zinc phosphate seals it to prevent future corrosion
•24"-long tube with conical nozzle reaches in to spray coating in a radial pattern for complete coverage

here is a link to their website.
Eastwood Internal Frame Coating

I used 3 cans in total to do the whole frames interior so 3x$17.99
They also have a really cool exterior frame coating but I had already tremcladed so I didn't order it.

OK. Enough with the blabber on with the pictures!

hope you enjoy!

Nice job, What steps did you use to clean & dry the inside? Mine is filled with silt that is a pain to get out.

 

[habskater11]

looks like a cool product. going to have to get a few cans

 

[3rzrunner]

[MENTION=7105]Scramble[/MENTION] thanks. I used the tip of my pressure washer to get inside and scrub the caked on stuff off, then I used my hose thru all the holes to rinse out the debris, it seemed to work well.

 

[ryanarcane]

Hi guys, I just thought I would do a review/write up on a really cool frame rust preventer I just used on my 4runner's chassis.
First off
-My Runners frame was EXTREMELY rust free just some surface rust on the welds.
-Second the exterior surfaces of the chassis have been sanded, primed and painted with brush-on oil based tremclad. (to prevent further rust in the many years this truck will run for.)

So I thought I have just rust proofed the exterior of the chassis what about the interior? So I did some research and found this product.

The product is called "EASTWOOD INTERNAL FRAME COATING"
It has

•Tough phenolic resin penetrates, converts and encapsulates the rust on the internal surface
•Zinc phosphate seals it to prevent future corrosion
•24"-long tube with conical nozzle reaches in to spray coating in a radial pattern for complete coverage

here is a link to their website.
Eastwood Internal Frame Coating

I used 3 cans in total to do the whole frames interior so 3x$17.99
They also have a really cool exterior frame coating but I had already tremcladed so I didn't order it.

OK. Enough with the blabber on with the pictures!

hope you enjoy!

Hi I'm new to this forum, I have just been using fluid film inside the frame just to saturate the rust. I live in Western, NY (rust belt). I just took a peek inside the box sections of the frame. I need to do something more. How is this product holding after 5 years. Thanks in advance.

 

[3rzrunner]

Hi I'm new to this forum, I have just been using fluid film inside the frame just to saturate the rust. I live in Western, NY (rust belt). I just took a peek inside the box sections of the frame. I need to do something more. How is this product holding after 5 years. Thanks in advance.

Hey, the internal coating looks almost identical to when i applied it many years ago. i can get you some pictures if you are interested.

 

[brillo_76]

Hi I'm new to this forum, I have just been using fluid film inside the frame just to saturate the rust. I live in Western, NY (rust belt). I just took a peek inside the box sections of the frame. I need to do something more. How is this product holding after 5 years. Thanks in advance.

It's the rust belt all the holes in the frame that's the issue plus for FF to work properly the frame has to be descaled.

So at this point you need a film that penetrates and seals.


FF coats steel and doesn't penetrate sits on top. The scaling is what got you. It flakes off a dry non coated steel is exposed.

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[nodge87]

Rust Prevention from an Auto Body Shop

Does anyone have any guidance on what to get/avoid when looking for an auto body shop to apply the rust protection to the underside of the car?

I live in the city and don't have a garage or front yard to do it myself, so want to get this done at an auto shop.

However I don't want to get something done that will be troublesome down the line, so I am curious if anyone has any guidance on what to go for or what to avoid when shopping for a rust protection service from an auto body shop.

Thanks!

 

[nateboor]

Does anyone have any guidance on what to get/avoid when looking for an auto body shop to apply the rust protection to the underside of the car?

I live in the city and don't have a garage or front yard to do it myself, so want to get this done at an auto shop.

However I don't want to get something done that will be troublesome down the line, so I am curious if anyone has any guidance on what to go for or what to avoid when shopping for a rust protection service from an auto body shop.

Thanks!

From the research I have done, I think KBS 3-step system is the way to go - not POR-15 which is based off older science. The primary advantage of KBS vs POR in my opinion is KBS does not disintegrate when exposed to UV light (as little as the frame gets, but still). Others who work in auto body may know more, just my 2 cents.

 

[brillo_76]

From the research I have done, I think KBS 3-step system is the way to go - not POR-15 which is based off older science. The primary advantage of KBS vs POR in my opinion is KBS does not disintegrate when exposed to UV light (as little as the frame gets, but still). Others who work in auto body may know more, just my 2 cents.

From my experience, POR 15 is replaced by KBS Seal. I agree KBS Seal is better and slightly cheaper. What I don't agree with in this thread is Eastwood internal frame coatings inside your frame. Especially if the frame is scaling and rusting inside. Will not get the desired effect in the salt and rust belt.

With different environments it maybe great. I just know I repaired and frame arch then went back in to finish the repair a year later and the Eastwood internal frame coated steel was starting to rust.

The only way to super clean the inside of your frame is to remove the bottom and replace it. Since this is not feasible for a lot of forum members which is understandable I would do the following:

Internal frame

1.) Power wash and clean all the dirt and debris you possible can get out of the frame you get out.

2.) Being scaling will be taking place. you need penetrating oils etc on the steel. FF will cover steel but will not penetrate the scale. (FF is good for a Top coat on a rusted frame especially if scaling is occurring)

3.) Use penetrating oils or fluids to coat the inside of your frame. A million choices here. Examples: Used Transmission fluid, WD-40, PB Blaster. Anything that penetrates and will seal the oxygen off the steel. So rusting will slow down and stop.

4.) Topcoat with FF or anything similar that will creep around inside the frame. Cosomoline, Woolswax whatever works for you.

External frame and underside:

1.) Power wash and clean all the dirt and debris off.

2.) Descale everything you can. Wire wheel etc. Get all the scale off and loose rust.

3.) This phase I am still experimenting on. Use a good Rust inhibitor on the steel to seal it off. Do not just primer and paint. it will just rust through that in the rust belt. I don't care what kind of paint its not going to seal it good enough.

Right now I am experimenting with Corroseal as my rust inhibitor layer. As its a metal etcher and sealer as one. I will not know how it holds up for a year or 2.

Even KBS seal will rust through if the metal wasn't peeped properly. They all will.. That part of the key is getting the metal clean and prepped to seal properly which is extremely hard to do upside down and underneath a car..;-)

4.) The topcoat can be whatever works for you paint, FF film wool-wax. Comeliness.

Note: (FF will not stay in fender wheels or areas that see a lot of pressure washing style actions) So either touch up every year or find something that better for that area.

 

[nodge87]

From the research I have done, I think KBS 3-step system is the way to go - not POR-15 which is based off older science. The primary advantage of KBS vs POR in my opinion is KBS does not disintegrate when exposed to UV light (as little as the frame gets, but still). Others who work in auto body may know more, just my 2 cents.

This is super helpful thank you!

I will call around to the auto shops and see what they offer for rust protection and try to stick to one of these.

 

[jsindorf]

Any Update, Brillo?

3.) This phase I am still experimenting on. Use a good Rust inhibitor on the steel to seal it off. Do not just primer and paint. it will just rust through that in the rust belt. I don't care what kind of paint its not going to seal it good enough.

Right now I am experimenting with Corroseal as my rust inhibitor layer. As its a metal etcher and sealer as one. I will not know how it holds up for a year or 2.

Just wondering, six months after writing this, what is your current recommendation for internal and external frame rust treatment? I am in Michigan, definite rust best, and want to preserve what's left of my frame!

 

[Mark_BC]

Externally if you want the frame to look nice I'd descale then degrease really well and paint with Eastwood frame rust paint black. Then top coat in your choice of black matt paint.

Inside, clean out all loose debris. Pour in used motor oil or transmission fluid which will protect the bottom. Then spray in fluid film with the wand you got with the Eastwood frame paint (soak in lacquer thinner and blow it out with your compressor to clean out paint so it doesnt plug it up).

When the paint on the outside has hardened up after a month in the heat spray fluid film on that too.

 

[ToyotaBrah]

^This. Also, don't overlook the underbody, especially those small panel gaps and the rocker panels.

 

[brillo_76]

Just wondering, six months after writing this, what is your current recommendation for internal and external frame rust treatment? I am in Michigan, definite rust best, and want to preserve what's left of my frame!

Externally, I am currently using corroseal as the metal sealer then painting with a paint. I am getting ready to switch to cosmoile to see how it does on the undercarriage.


Well I am thinking of switching to cosmoline. In things like frames rockers etc you can use Fluild film. However, FF will wash off the undercarriage. Being cosmoline is extremely hard to wash off. Thus I think will do better on metal exposes water like undercarriage.

 

[MaineRunna]

Just wondering, six months after writing this, what is your current recommendation for internal and external frame rust treatment? I am in Michigan, definite rust best, and want to preserve what's left of my frame![/QUOTE
I have patched many Toyota and other frames and will tell you that when I cut them open they are half full of a rust dirt mixture so coating an already rusted frame inside with a paint or epoxy will not help at that point. If you have a decent frame that is not full of mud, sand, dirt, rust then seal it with epoxy, but if it is rusty clean it out if you can, paint the outside then coat it inside and out with Fluid Film, New Hampshire Oil, WD40 or some other oily coating that will spread and penetrate.

 

[T4R2014]

^This. Also, don't overlook the underbody, especially those small panel gaps and the rocker panels.

This. To access the rockers you can remove the screws from the door sill plates and stick the straw from a WD40 can in there. I use the thin WD40 over viscous FF since it could clog up the sunroof drains and create a far worse issue.