Fuel economy - Mud tires VS All terrain
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3rzrunner
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the answer is neither. All terrains are probably better than muds tho.
also depends on the all terrains... Duratracs? BFG's? etc.
85straight
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Kinda depends on your budget. You get what you pay for usually. If I wanted ATs I'd get BFGs given no budget constraints. If you want to save some cash the General Grabber AT2 is a good tire for the price and comes with a 50k mile warranty
Edit: I sell tires all day every day so If you have any more questions fire away
Edit: I sell tires all day every day so If you have any more questions fire away
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RedSled
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I have the grabber a/t 2s, really good tire for the money. They look pretty nice also.
RiFF RaFF
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Before I lifted my suspension I used BFG A/Ts for years. In my opinion they are outstanding tires.
I once was off road with a group who predominantly were using mud tires. There was a lot of snow and glaze ice on the trail, and my A/Ts were by far the best tires for those conditions. The M/Ts were slipping and sliding all over the trails, and had a hell of a time climbing some steep hills.
In the rain - same thing. Great traction.
I can't compare gas mileage as I went from 31s to 33s. However the ride was much quieter.
Wish I had the $$$ to get another set of A/Ts 33s for winter driving.
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I once was off road with a group who predominantly were using mud tires. There was a lot of snow and glaze ice on the trail, and my A/Ts were by far the best tires for those conditions. The M/Ts were slipping and sliding all over the trails, and had a hell of a time climbing some steep hills.
In the rain - same thing. Great traction.
I can't compare gas mileage as I went from 31s to 33s. However the ride was much quieter.
Wish I had the $$$ to get another set of A/Ts 33s for winter driving.
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92-SR5
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I've had the same experiences, great tires. I have them in the 35" flavor though. :thumb:
Although I still think I'm just going to buck up for some iroks
3rzrunner
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I prefer the goodyear duratracs.
but its really a matter of which you want.
most people here are going to say BFG A/T OR Goodyear Duratrac.
I don't want to make any of the BFG fans cry, but I dare try turn your head toward the Cooper ST MAXX. Cooper uses a higher silicate compound, this translates into quieter ride and more traction on wet and dry surfaces. For American Tire manufactures, Cooper has out-paced BFG. BFG has found a tire that worked 35 years ago and has changed very little to improve their compounds..in fact, if it had not been for the pressure they got from their sponsored drivers, they would have never come out with the KM2 (their first off-road tire with a higher silicate) sadly, their tried and true all terrain tire has not gotten similar attention. BFGs are good if you want a long lasting natural rubber compound tire.... If you want good traction, quiet ride, and save some $$$$. Go with the Cooper.
Also, you may be interested in the Hankook. Sure they are Korean, but not a bad tire.
Please read my "tires 101" thread if you have any questions about compounds.
Also, you may be interested in the Hankook. Sure they are Korean, but not a bad tire.
Please read my "tires 101" thread if you have any questions about compounds.
Quatre Coureur
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Another vote for the BFG A/Ts! I've owned 'em in 31",33",and 35". They're quiet, get great traction, and wear like iron. I have KM2s currently and love them. I've had BFGs on my muscle cars, sports car, and even my econo box. I've also owned Michelins, Goodyears, and Pirellis. All good but none were as good as the BFGs I replaced them with. Just my .02
Comparing BFG ATs to KM2s and touring tires is like comparing towing with your truck vs a dodge neon. You are one of the people who spend your money on BFG, so no matter the science or fact behind compounds you claim your purchase is king. The tell tail sign that BFG ATs are hard natural rubber tires and awful for cold wet climates is in your last statement "wear like iron".
I don't want to start a fight about BFG, they make amazing pass car tires and even very nice KM2, but they have been left far behind in AT compounds, even Goodyear makes a better AT now.
If you love them, great but based on the rather specific science of tires, they are not a good traction tire due to the hardness of the rubber.
please read the thread I linked above.
Quatre Coureur
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I never claimed my "purchase is king" (maybe a remedial comprehension class is needed). I'm only relaying my personal experience with BFG. Just like everyone else did. U say u don't want to pick a fight, then why do it? I spend my money on BFG because, FOR ME, they've been great. How could u possibly begin to know how they've performed for me? Or anyone else for that matter. When I say they "wear like iron" I meant it figuratively. They lasted a long time, which for ppl on a budget is important. Dude ur just a shill for cooper. Of course ur gonna peddle their product. Note: I'm not saying they're bad. Just don't try to force ur opinion on us. :hatsoff:
You are clearly angry about my post, for that I am sorry. I know a thing or two about tires, and I am telling you right now in plain english BFG uses very cheap compounds in their AT tires, the only variation is the KTM2 and KTM2 Red Label. you like them because you have not experienced better, so I urge you next time to try a Hankook, Cooper, and or Mickey Thompson (all who use a much higher silicate compound in their tires. you WILL see a difference.
There is no perfect tire, and Yes i am partial to Cooper, but not for lack of experience. The information I am posting is not "my opinion" and i do not believe I am in need of any remedial comprehension class, as you put as a personal attack on me.
please take a second to read this thread http://www.toyota-4runner.org/engin...audio-accessories/135431-tire-tech-101-a.html
It will go into further detail and perhaps you will understand that, I agree BFG tires last the longest, but when they cost more to start with, why not buy a better American made tire (Cooper) that has much better compounds used? You spend more money to get an extra 15k out of a set of tires, where are the saving for the cost concise customers at this point?
For whats its worth, I ran BFG ATs on My Jeep unlimited and on my 98 Tacoma, they dry-rotted before I even wore 80% of the tread out. Again, before you get angry, please read the linked thread, there is plenty of information there, including a collaboration of what you claimed.
There is a real answer to this question, I will try to explain it in a way that is understandable.
there are a few factors that determine a tires effect on MPG. Weight, Friction, and wind resistance.
-Friction (how much rubber touched the road)
-Wind Resistance (how much exposure to wind via surface area)
-Weight
Assuming the MT and AT weight the same you are left with only friction and wind resistance.
So an AT will have more friction, because the voids between the tread are smaller there is always more rubber in contact with the road. BUT a MT has larger voids and more wind catching lugs to increase wind resistance.
So like most things in life, there is no PERFECT tire. both have a benefit, canceled out by the apposing deficit.
Pick the tire that you like the best and fits your needs, run it with the peace of mind knowing you could not have made a better decision.
Keep in mind, some tires even in the same size may weigh significantly more than another like tire.
Quatre Coureur
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I'm not angry. (Nice try) I don't think anyone likes their comment misconstrued. I have not tried coopers, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. If the BFGs perform horribly in cold, wet climates then yes, I wouldn't know since I live in a warm, dry climate, where, again for me they've performed admirably. It's just my opinion, which I have a right to. As do u and I respect that. I didn't mean my comment as a personal attack(I don't know u) I just didn't see the connection between my post and ur response. I wish u much success in all ur endeavors!
Chuckles89
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IMO, BFG A/Ts are the best truck tire ever made. We have used them for almost 20 years on our '89 and now our '04 and have always gotten over 90,XXX miles on a set. They have great traction and ride great.
You also, can't beat that look :thumb3:
My $0.02
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They even make great trailer tires
You also, can't beat that look :thumb3:
My $0.02
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They even make great trailer tires
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airdreams1
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My 89 came with BFG AT tires. I took them off & put on Maxxis Bighorns because I like the more aggressive look of them. dont think Ill be running them this winter in the snow, as I know they wont do as well as the BFG. The smaller lugs on the AT's will grip snow a bit better than the bighorns. (not saying the BFG AT is the best tire, just a bit better than the Maxxis Bighorn for the snow.)
Ultimately Id like to get a nice set of studded tires to run for Dec & Jan when we have snow....
I can tell you that the last tires I bought for my wifes car were from Big-O (grand tour) & are crap! they wore out in under 8K miles & big-o didnt stand behind them. said they wore out because they wernt rotated (I do it my self so I dont have to make a special trip into town), also that we had alignment issues. They did the alignment & it was worse after they did it. took it back & had them check everything & they said everything was just fine & alignment was in spec.
Ultimately Id like to get a nice set of studded tires to run for Dec & Jan when we have snow....
I can tell you that the last tires I bought for my wifes car were from Big-O (grand tour) & are crap! they wore out in under 8K miles & big-o didnt stand behind them. said they wore out because they wernt rotated (I do it my self so I dont have to make a special trip into town), also that we had alignment issues. They did the alignment & it was worse after they did it. took it back & had them check everything & they said everything was just fine & alignment was in spec.
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4runnerBrett
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Somehow this became about what tire was best, not what gets better MPG AT or MT.
I get it, you like using a tire that has not changed in 35 years, you give a big middle finger to the massive advances in tire technology.
To answer the OP about what tire is best for him, we would need to know his driving conditions, and intended use.
You BFG guys really really love your over the hill tires, and I struck a chord with you and messed up this guys thread, I'm sorry. Please forgive me and let's move on.
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