Gen 5 or 6 thoughts on this

[RC57]

In June I sold my 3rd gen 99 4WD Ltd and bought the same in a 24 model. My 99 only had 250K miles and everything on it still worked, even the original AC never needed a charge. I was planning on keeping the 99 for 5 more years or so, but decided to avoid the 6th gen in favor of what has proven to be a rock solid 5th gen.

Frankly I would have bought a new 99 again if that was possible. All I need is cruise control, a center diff, and a decent stereo.

The 24 does have some features I like, compared to the 99. I might start a thread comparing the two.

 

[thatoneguy]

In June I sold my 3rd gen 99 4WD Ltd and bought the same in a 24 model. My 99 only had 250K miles and everything on it still worked, even the original AC never needed a charge. I was planning on keeping the 99 for 5 more years or so, but decided to avoid the 6th gen in favor of what has proven to be a rock solid 5th gen.

Frankly I would have bought a new 99 again if that was possible. All I need is cruise control, a center diff, and a decent stereo.

The 24 does have some features I like, compared to the 99. I might start a thread comparing the two.

I did similar, sold a 210k mile '99 Limited to buy my 2023 ORP last year. At the time I didn't know what the 6th gen would be and hedged my bets. I actually like what I'm seeing on the 6th gen, and I consider the new powertrains a huge positive, so maybe I'll be in one eventually. The 2023 is slow with archaic transmission performance by current standards but it is stout.

I really dislike that the 6th gen got 4-5" longer and LOWERED the approach and departure angles. Seems like if I upsize my 5th gen tires by one size I'll have the wheeling angles that a fkn 6th gen PRO or TrailHunter will have.

 

[Jeff_DML]

Looks like Toyota is nickel and diming on the 6th Gen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxjvKQ0fumg

No lights on the tailgate for the off-road non-premium but for the Pro(and I assume premium). Also premium headlights and tailight options which I assume they will make you bundle and upgrade trims to get.

 

[thatoneguy]

Boooo 18" wheels standard on TRD Offroad boooooo. 17's are the play.

Yeah, I don't think trim packages would work out the way I would want them on the 6th gen. I don't want to pay for things like power liftgates or MTM. I do like having a heated steering wheel in my 2023 ORP. But I'd have to pay for a bunch of crap I don't want to get it in the 2025.

Hell, the 2023/2024 4Runner ORP might be the only modern vehicle that has a heated steering wheel combined with no sunroof and manual single-zone climate control. I love it!

If my 2023 were to get totaled, I'd probably save the money and get a regular TRD Offroad.

I like the Land Cruiser 250 more, but the price is still a bit much for me. I'd love if they came out with a lower-than-1958 trim that skipped the hybrid system.

 

[RC57]

I really dislike that the 6th gen got 4-5" longer...

The '24 is already much larger than the '99. The '24 fits in my 1960s attached one-car garage with less than a foot to spare. (When central air was added to the house, the air handler ate space.) The extra length of the 2025 is too close for comfort.

Insurance in Florida is expensive! I considered replacing both my 2018 base model Nissan pickup and my 99 4wd T4R with a 4wd Tacoma, then realized that the Tacoma wouldn't fit in my garage. I decided to stick with two vehicles, with the new 4Runner in the garage. (I'll spare y'all the story about demolishing the safe room the previous home owner had built in the garage, so I could park in it.)

 

[02SE]

Looks like Toyota is nickel and diming on the 6th Gen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxjvKQ0fumg

No lights on the tailgate for the off-road non-premium but for the Pro(and I assume premium). Also premium headlights and tailight options which I assume they will make you bundle and upgrade trims to get.

As I said, I see 'Cheap' everywhere I look on the TRD OR. No lights or speakers in the liftgate, lots of hard plastic, a prop rod for the hood, no sound dampener mat on the underside of the hood, etc, etc.

I'm pretty sure the cost-cutting will not be reflected in a lower price to buy.

 

[zivadaddy]

People will dog the 2.4 just like they dogged not having a V8 in the 5th gen. We are a quarter of the way into the century and things change. The 2.4 will come with an iforce max (hyrbid / combined powertrain) option or they could all have them from factory.

I have an iforce max sequioa and a hybrid highlander in my family. The primary drivers were doubters of forced induction and electrification. Both absolutely love the combined power and efficiency of the powertrains and were primary factors for changing from previous vehicles. Test drives sold them.

To play devils advocate, Buying a new 5th gen when the 6th is so close seems like a huge risk of missing out on upgrades from a redesigned platform. Assuming the 2.4 will be anything other than an upgrade from the 4.0 is the biggest risk. We dont have full info and you could always just buy a 5th gen down the road. Like you said both will be great, those are some of my personal thoughts for holding onto my 2015 until we see more.

Started my career in fixed operations at the dealership level in 1983. My “opinion” is; not one manufacturer yet (have experience with 9) has produced a turbocharged power plant that will hold up for hundreds of thousands of miles and they are expensive to repair.

My ownership experience with 4Runners of well over a decade also has me personally believing that not one current owner of any generation thought to themselves or told toyota that “boy if we could only get this with a 4cyl turbo”


That alone makes me feel Toyota blew it as far as current ownership.

Yes people are going to buy the new generation, but it is not again in my opinion, going to make the people who like to hold onto a vehicle long term happy.

 

[zrt600lc]

I"ve had 2 T4R a 1989 SR5 with a 5 speed put 270.000mi on that one. Just recently bought a 2024 SR5 Premium. Love it upgraded from a 2022 Tacoma. I Love the Gen 5. I knew about the Gen 6. And Didn't want a turbo. Very happy with my Gen 5.

 

[fourwd1]

I'm pretty sure the cost-cutting will not be reflected in a lower price to buy.

Impossible, Toyota would never do that to its loyal customers.

 

[El Dusty]

Started my career in fixed operations at the dealership level in 1983. My “opinion” is; not one manufacturer yet (have experience with 9) has produced a turbocharged power plant that will hold up for hundreds of thousands of miles and they are expensive to repair.

My ownership experience with 4Runners of well over a decade also has me personally believing that not one current owner of any generation thought to themselves or told toyota that “boy if we could only get this with a 4cyl turbo”


That alone makes me feel Toyota blew it as far as current ownership.

Yes people are going to buy the new generation, but it is not again in my opinion, going to make the people who like to hold onto a vehicle long term happy.

No one asked for a 2.4 or hybrid. The US government mandated it. You can thank the 2030 / 2032 vehicle efficiency mandates put into place and later revised by the Fed for that.

Your entitled to your opinion but saying "toyota blew it" and "owners will not be happy" is not opinion. The 2.4 is out in the LC and Taco with positive reception. The longevity argument is pure speculation and a historically terrible bet against toyota.

The cynical rhetoric across the forum was why I made my original post. Read my second reply here for clarity.

 

[thatoneguy]

For anyone hoping a big V6 would get sold forever.... not everyone was ok with a whopping 278 lb-ft of max torque.... only coming online at a stratospheric 4200RPM.

Ever driven a 5th gen north of 10,000 feet? No power. Gasping for air.

The drivability gains these new powertrains offer were not possible with natural aspiration. Bonus, the new powertrains do 20%+ better on fuel as well, which adds up.

 

[Woodpuppy]

No one asked for a 2.4 or hybrid. The US government mandated it. You can thank the 2030 / 2032 vehicle efficiency mandates put into place and later revised by the Fed for that.

Exactly right. This is your tax dollars “at work”.

Your [sic] entitled to your opinion but saying "toyota blew it" and "owners will not be happy" is not opinion.

Exactly wrong. This is most certainly an opinion, and a popular one at that. To be fair, I’m seeing similar trends everywhere in the auto industry, not just Toyota. Increasingly disposable computers dressed in plastic, packed with spyware on wheels. Keep ‘em.

 

[El Dusty]

Exactly right. This is your tax dollars “at work”.



Exactly wrong. This is most certainly an opinion, and a popular one at that. To be fair, I’m seeing similar trends everywhere in the auto industry, not just Toyota. Increasingly disposable computers dressed in plastic, packed with spyware on wheels. Keep ‘em.

You're entitled to form an unfounded opinion as well. I would call that conjecture, prediction as good as reading a crystal ball. The longevity data is not available so I wouldn't form an "opinion" at this point. I would wager toyota knows better than you and your popular opinions.

I understand the most cynical among us feel the need to be the loudest but the community does not agree. Look at the demand and sales numbers for the 250 and taco already. Remember we are speaking on a specific Toyota engine / engine combination not industry trends.

 

[thatoneguy]

You're entitled to form an unfounded opinion as well. I would call that conjecture, prediction as good as reading a crystal ball. The longevity data is not available so I wouldn't form an "opinion" at this point. I would wager toyota knows better than you and your popular opinions.

I understand the most cynical among us feel the need to be the loudest but the community does not agree. Look at the demand and sales numbers for the 250 and taco already. Remember we are speaking on a specific Toyota engine / engine combination not industry trends.

Indeed. The Tacoma had a slow rollout over the first quarter/half of the year. Some people that just hate the idea of a 4cyl went "ha! they screwed it up" at the low sales that rollout created.

Now the Tacoma is back to selling as high as ever. 23k US sales last month. Highest November sales ever for it. October sales were also higher than last years'.

A fraction of enthusiasts might dislike the new powertrains they haven't driven, but buyers do not.

 

[02SE]

For anyone hoping a big V6 would get sold forever.... not everyone was ok with a whopping 278 lb-ft of max torque.... only coming online at a stratospheric 4200RPM.

Ever driven a 5th gen north of 10,000 feet? No power. Gasping for air.

The drivability gains these new powertrains offer were not possible with natural aspiration. Bonus, the new powertrains do 20%+ better on fuel as well, which adds up.

It's a torque curve. It's not like there is no torque, and then BAM it's at peak torque, and then just as suddenly drops off to nothing past the peak.

The Turbo 4-cylinder doesn't bother me. There was the Turbocharged 22R-TE in the 80's.

What bothers me is the utter cheapness I see everywhere on the TRD OR in particular.

 

[KimchiJae]

Exactly wrong. This is most certainly an opinion, and a popular one at that. To be fair, I’m seeing similar trends everywhere in the auto industry, not just Toyota. Increasingly disposable computers dressed in plastic, packed with spyware on wheels. Keep ‘em.

Popular on the internet maybe. The new Tacomas are already abundant in my area. People have a positive reception to them and are voting with their dollars. One has to be careful of the internet, it often can become an echo chamber.

 

[young]

OR has 9.1 ground clearance and pro got almost a foot. That is bull because I know pro is heavier.

 

[Jeff_DML]

OR has 9.1 ground clearance and pro got almost a foot. That is bull because I know pro is heavier.

I think the TRD PRO and Trailhunters have a small lift

 

[Logansky]

I second "Too Old"

Being all new, there's likely bugs to work out. Overall, I like the style inside and out. Will I go buy one to replace my '18? No. By the time I get my money's worth out of the '18... well, I won't. I'm too old. My grandkids will enjoy it for years after I'm gone.

Not long ago, the automotive press were salivating over the new Tacoma. Since then, reality is setting in. In a recent test at Motor Trend, the Tacoma came in second place to the new Ford Ranger due to deficiency in a few key areas. Might be the case in time with the new 4Runner, given there's a lot of Tacoma baked in.

Tacoma vs. Ranger

Too old, I'm "77"!
When my 07 FJ Crusier wouldn't pass State Inspection due to rust I ordered in November of 2021 a 2022 4 Runner TRD Off Road Premium which I promptly added a Mil Spec'd one shot and done undercoating by Value Guard. I can't see the HUGE price hike on the 2025 TRD Off Road Premiums. Or the 4cyl turbos. All Toyota had to do to keep the tried and true V6 was to replace the 5 speed with the 8 speed transmission and add the sport mode option like is on the 2025. Myself if the lack of power bothered me that much {It doesn't at all} I'd just add a Pedal Monster and call it a day.

Logansky

 

[thesoi6]

Probably the 5gen as 6th is still new and need still to be proven