General Grabber at2 vs. Goodyear SilentArmor
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KMAYO
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SilentArmor
My 4R came with these tires. I haven't had any major issues out of them and the only complaint i have is when I am going home in the rain (steep hill into a curve) if I am too aggressive the back end will get a little squirrelly. Iam not sure if that is because of the tires or just the light back end. They did impress me on a day trip to the Ouachita National Forest the other day!
Going to keep them till they are worn out then go from there. I believe Cooper has a tire that has a similar tread pattern to the SilentArmor that gets good reviews. Cant remember the name of them right now. Either way good luck with your decision!
-KMAYO
My 4R came with these tires. I haven't had any major issues out of them and the only complaint i have is when I am going home in the rain (steep hill into a curve) if I am too aggressive the back end will get a little squirrelly. Iam not sure if that is because of the tires or just the light back end. They did impress me on a day trip to the Ouachita National Forest the other day!
Going to keep them till they are worn out then go from there. I believe Cooper has a tire that has a similar tread pattern to the SilentArmor that gets good reviews. Cant remember the name of them right now. Either way good luck with your decision!
-KMAYO
ryankmasuda
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I've got the silent armors and they are amazing. I have excellent wet/dry traction and excellent snow/ice traction. They were very well too! I have 60k on my tires with about 25% left. The road noise isn't much either. I highly recommend the Silent Armors
JB.
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Probably more than you'd ever want to read.
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/perfo...re/89432-ongoing-review-revo-2-lt-load-e.html
Man... there is definitely not an 100% AT tire that everyone agrees is amazing! HaHa... A lot of it depends on people's experiences, weather, region, ect... But, I think there are a good handful of tires that make the top 5 or so... Since the grabbers at2 are backordered 6-8 weeks.. I will probably give the SilentArmor a shot. I know there are a few people that have had crappy luck (and I might too), but hopefully I can find out within my "30 day trial" - whatever that is even good for. Damn you Grabbers!
LittleCaesar
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Nittos over the Silent Armors, if you are laying down that much green for tires.
I have Revo 2s and the only two merits they possess is being great in rain and good in snow. But would I trade them for another pair of Nittos? If I had the funds, you bet ya.
I have Revo 2s and the only two merits they possess is being great in rain and good in snow. But would I trade them for another pair of Nittos? If I had the funds, you bet ya.
ryankmasuda
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I'm running 265/75R16 Goodyear Silent Armor with Kevlar sidewalls and seeing 19-20mpg.
the great him
Elite Member
well the weight tells me that the kumhos are a poorly made tire, and that only reconfirms what i have experienced with their other tires(car tires) and that is they suck, they are cheaply made and not a quality tire, ive had more punctures with the kumho tires on my wifes yaris, and another car i used to own than any other tire ever(and that includes all my off-raoding).
im not sure but i think its cause nitto hasnt bothered to pay the money to submit their tires to DOT for the traction qualification testing. as i understand it DOT only test tires that are submitted by the manufacture and the manufacture has to pay for the testing an some other fees. i think nitto has just not bothered to do this for some reason. but yes i would agree, the nitto terra grapplers are amazing in the snow, i would say ever bit as good as the BFG ATs.
(no i could be wrong on how that testing works but thats my understading on it)
JB.
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What it should have told you is to check the info. First of all, its one Load E LT (silent armor) compared against two P-metric tires. Apples and oranges. Between the Grabber and Kuhmo, Grabber has 1/16 more tread depth that's 3/4 inch wider. That's somewhere in the vicinity of 3lbs, right there, with a fair margin for error, which, by the way Tire Racks specs have, too. I've gotten conflicting weight information from tire companies compared to Tire Racks specs.
I wont' try to talk you out of your dislike for Kuhmo, (even though the flats could have easily been random variation) but I don't think the quoted info supports it.
Nunyabiz
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My T4R came with a brand new set of Silent Armors on it already.
For the 8 months that I have used them they seem great to me.
have not had any snow to check them out on that yet but as far as wet and dry pavement they do very well.
I have had the usual blind lunatic asleep at the wheel try to come right into my lane right on top of me a few months ago and I swerved into the next lane very aggressively at about 45mph and they handled great.
Seem to be a nice solid tire, nice sidewalls, with very good wet/dry traction and they are not loud.
Look like a pretty good street tire with just enough dirt/snow traction to be a perfect all terrain tire for those of us that spend 95% of our mileage on dry and some wet pavement with the occasional week or two of snow and a bit of dirt.
Once I move to Oregon I will buy a spare set of strictly Snow tires with studs that stay in the garage coated in armor all until the roads are nothing but snow and ice, nothing beats a studded snow tire.
But for my area these GYSA are a great tire so far.
More than likely I will replace them with the same when these wear out which wont be for many years since I don't drive more than 5000-8000 miles a year.
For the 8 months that I have used them they seem great to me.
have not had any snow to check them out on that yet but as far as wet and dry pavement they do very well.
I have had the usual blind lunatic asleep at the wheel try to come right into my lane right on top of me a few months ago and I swerved into the next lane very aggressively at about 45mph and they handled great.
Seem to be a nice solid tire, nice sidewalls, with very good wet/dry traction and they are not loud.
Look like a pretty good street tire with just enough dirt/snow traction to be a perfect all terrain tire for those of us that spend 95% of our mileage on dry and some wet pavement with the occasional week or two of snow and a bit of dirt.
Once I move to Oregon I will buy a spare set of strictly Snow tires with studs that stay in the garage coated in armor all until the roads are nothing but snow and ice, nothing beats a studded snow tire.
But for my area these GYSA are a great tire so far.
More than likely I will replace them with the same when these wear out which wont be for many years since I don't drive more than 5000-8000 miles a year.
the great him
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do us oregon and washington people a favor, and do not buy studded tires please! they destroy our roads, and we see maybe one day a year where they could be beneficial, but sense 3/4 of the other cars out there dont have them(or snow tires period) they will be parked all over the roads and the roads will be shut down and you with your studs wont be able to go anywhere anyways. just get a good set of snow tires and call it good. sure we see snow and ice, but we dont see enough ice (1/4" or more) to make them worth having.
fyi, studs are worse on dry and especially wet roads than a regular all season tire, as they will be prone to sliding and breaking traction sooner. unless you are going to live on mt hood, or in the gorge, they will be of no use to you.
Nunyabiz
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every person I ever knew in Oregon has a a set studded tires they use only when needed so not like one less will make much difference.
I plan on moving to Bend right next to or on Mt Bachelor and the last time I was in Oregon which was many years ago it was a blizzard and the road was solid ice every where.
In fact I got into an accident in my old diesel 4X4 truck because I DIDN'T have studded tires.
I was leaving a parking lot, saw it was slick and was barely going even 1mph in 4 low trying to not even use the brakes at all going down a very small not steep at all grade out of a parking lot into the street.
Soon as I got over the edge it didn't mater what I did I just kept sliding and there was a car coming and all I could do was sit there and watch in slow motion as I slid into him. That would not have happened with studded tires and would have saved me $2000.
I "may" check out some other type of tire for those times but I know of no snow tire that is as good as studs on icy snow packed roads.
and I would only be using them when the road is solid snow/ice/slush which it was the entire last week I was there.
It was so thick that what the snow plow did was tilt his blade downward so that it chipped the thick ice so it wasn't as slick and smooth.
I never even saw a piece of pavement there was so much ice and snow.
If I were going around Portland or someplace like that then there would be no need for studs at all.
But I will be looking for a place near the Mountain and not in town, so road won't be plowed.
I plan on moving to Bend right next to or on Mt Bachelor and the last time I was in Oregon which was many years ago it was a blizzard and the road was solid ice every where.
In fact I got into an accident in my old diesel 4X4 truck because I DIDN'T have studded tires.
I was leaving a parking lot, saw it was slick and was barely going even 1mph in 4 low trying to not even use the brakes at all going down a very small not steep at all grade out of a parking lot into the street.
Soon as I got over the edge it didn't mater what I did I just kept sliding and there was a car coming and all I could do was sit there and watch in slow motion as I slid into him. That would not have happened with studded tires and would have saved me $2000.
I "may" check out some other type of tire for those times but I know of no snow tire that is as good as studs on icy snow packed roads.
and I would only be using them when the road is solid snow/ice/slush which it was the entire last week I was there.
It was so thick that what the snow plow did was tilt his blade downward so that it chipped the thick ice so it wasn't as slick and smooth.
I never even saw a piece of pavement there was so much ice and snow.
If I were going around Portland or someplace like that then there would be no need for studs at all.
But I will be looking for a place near the Mountain and not in town, so road won't be plowed.
the great him
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ok as long as you are willing to take them on and off as needed. sorry not trying to be an A hole and tell you what to do or how to live, it just annoys the heck out of me when i see someone who has a 4wd with studs, and they are on fwy, its cold, but 99.9% dry out and just driving to work, not going to the mt or anything... i just hate the ruts studs make in the roads.
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