Good Video...Radical Islam
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Victor_inox
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Muslims are either radicals or covering for them, there is no other kind despite what they tell us infidels.
ndcent
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My God is a God of love, unless you don't believe in him in which case you'll burn in hell for eternity.
F all religion. God bless.
mnofpeace
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...but in all of her grandstanding, she didnt actually answer the question.
"how do you fight the 'idea/ideology' of radical islam...with weapons?" sort of like, if your teenager has an IDEA of doing something crazy or stupid, how do you persuade them from that??? Does grounding them actually quell the idea?
all of that other stuff is true, but by her logic, then the radicals of any society overshadow the non radicals...simply because the radicals cause violence and get the attention. the KKK is radical, and have been the cause of much violence and death, yet each person is suppose to be judged by their own works, correct?
Yes, you guessed it, i am a muslim, but i am also a born and raised citizen of the good ole USA, a veteran of the USMC, the son of a vet of the USAF, i have two uncles who were vets of spec ops in the USAF and USMC, my best friend is a former force-recon marine, so my loyalties are secure. I feel that if we cannot talk our way into peace with these crazies, then blast them into 'Paradise' for their actions against other people. These radicals have killed 25 times more muslims than they have westerners, but nobody wants to see that point to show that its NOT about islam, its about these people being very very crazy, murderous MFs. and they use the banner of islam because thats what they feel they have the stronger allegiance to and can use as the recruiting tool to get more to join their cause.
i am not asking anybody to be PC about this, but dont grandstand about things if you do not have an actual solution for the problem. Personally, i know i am not smart enough to fix it, and maybe it doesnt actually have a fix, as people of this planet will, probably, always have beef with each other over something. But the woman who asked the question just wanted to know if any of these people actually had an answer vs having an agenda. If you dont like me or what i say, or how i worship, then that's fine. and if within that i dont bother you, then please dont bother me or yell at me IF i ask you if you have a solution to a very complex and large scale problem. Because, is if fair for me to, for example, ask any non-racist person to account for any of the really racist ones, simply because you also share a skin color/church/country/etc? i dont think so...
if you track it back long enough, we ALL have something in each of our individual history's that makes no sense and that was detrimental to another group of people. this point in our planets history...its radical Islam's turn. But please dont forget, these are some of the same people Charlie Wilson helped out when they were fighting the Soviets on the US's behalf back in the 80s.
I reiterate, if they are not open for a conversation about not acting like murderous @#$%^&*...blast them into dust...and may God show them the downstairs door...
ok, you can have the soap box back now...im done...back to enjoying T4R stuff.
"how do you fight the 'idea/ideology' of radical islam...with weapons?" sort of like, if your teenager has an IDEA of doing something crazy or stupid, how do you persuade them from that??? Does grounding them actually quell the idea?
all of that other stuff is true, but by her logic, then the radicals of any society overshadow the non radicals...simply because the radicals cause violence and get the attention. the KKK is radical, and have been the cause of much violence and death, yet each person is suppose to be judged by their own works, correct?
Yes, you guessed it, i am a muslim, but i am also a born and raised citizen of the good ole USA, a veteran of the USMC, the son of a vet of the USAF, i have two uncles who were vets of spec ops in the USAF and USMC, my best friend is a former force-recon marine, so my loyalties are secure. I feel that if we cannot talk our way into peace with these crazies, then blast them into 'Paradise' for their actions against other people. These radicals have killed 25 times more muslims than they have westerners, but nobody wants to see that point to show that its NOT about islam, its about these people being very very crazy, murderous MFs. and they use the banner of islam because thats what they feel they have the stronger allegiance to and can use as the recruiting tool to get more to join their cause.
i am not asking anybody to be PC about this, but dont grandstand about things if you do not have an actual solution for the problem. Personally, i know i am not smart enough to fix it, and maybe it doesnt actually have a fix, as people of this planet will, probably, always have beef with each other over something. But the woman who asked the question just wanted to know if any of these people actually had an answer vs having an agenda. If you dont like me or what i say, or how i worship, then that's fine. and if within that i dont bother you, then please dont bother me or yell at me IF i ask you if you have a solution to a very complex and large scale problem. Because, is if fair for me to, for example, ask any non-racist person to account for any of the really racist ones, simply because you also share a skin color/church/country/etc? i dont think so...
if you track it back long enough, we ALL have something in each of our individual history's that makes no sense and that was detrimental to another group of people. this point in our planets history...its radical Islam's turn. But please dont forget, these are some of the same people Charlie Wilson helped out when they were fighting the Soviets on the US's behalf back in the 80s.
I reiterate, if they are not open for a conversation about not acting like murderous @#$%^&*...blast them into dust...and may God show them the downstairs door...
ok, you can have the soap box back now...im done...back to enjoying T4R stuff.
Thai
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Well, "they" are not crazies...not by a long shot...they do NOT belong in a psychiatric hospital...for one to say that they are crazies is a huge misunderstanding of their "cause" and hide their intentions. Let's be honest here.
"They" are Sunni's. Sunni's are ALL about Islam. In fact, they are "true" believers that they ARE the direct descendants of Muhammad. In Sunni's eyes, Shi'ites are fakes and also part of the horrible disease of the world just like Westerners. (And this is WHY you have "Muslim on Muslim" crimes.)
So, again, it is about a particular Islam sect...and this is NOT a minority sect either. Sunnis make up 80-90% of Muslims i think. Islam is very relevant to the problem at hand.
Do you disagree with what i wrote? If so, how?
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Thai
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While i like your (often time misplaced) enthusiasm, one need to understand the radical Islam aspect and see why they are different. Not understanding the problem at hand and the root cause is about as bad as turning a blind eye and pretending that it will never happen.
I definitely agree that "radical Islamic" belief is absolutely most dangerous (because it is religion based & promotes exclusivity at all costs) and that the fundamentalist ideology is absolutely taught by specific Islamic scriptures and "tribes" (for a lack of a better word). Where I totally disagree is that we (the rest of the world) are doing nothing or not enough about it already. We are actually quite successful at stopping a significant amount of terrorist activity here in North America that is never ever reported. You really believe that your/our governments are not doing almost everything possible to stop it without actually making it worse, violating constitutional rights of actual citizens and alienating a significant portion of the world's population?
It's a tight rope balance because of the religious component and there is no quick and easy solution but what you should fear the most is elected officials using that to get you into another war that will only benefit special interests.
And yes, the speaker never actually answered the question or even attempted to provide a civilized solution to the problem.mnofpeace said:
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Thai
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Sunni's are not "tribes." 80-90% of Muslims is not necessarily a tribe.
Is Germany doing "enough"? France? Do you think those citizens feel that their government are doing enough?
We haven't been attacked to the same degree as them does NOT make us immune...could be luck, could be time, could be resource allocation by terrorists, etc.. Time will tell.
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So are you saying all Sunni's are radical then? And if not, how do you identify the one's who are? Of the one's you identify as having radical belief, which of them are going to act on these radical beliefs in a way that is criminal? You have to change the message they are being taught and that takes time and resources. I feel very confident that we are watching the Mosques and listening to the messages we just can't divulge specifics or even identify Muslims that help us with this in the shadows.
Totally agree, Europe did not see the threat at all & are paying the price. But, the lady's question to the speaker is a very valid one that cannot be answered simply or even swiftly. The Muslim community is beginning to finally openly acknowledge there is a serious problem with more than a few of their members.......they must and will play a significant role in the solution. If they don't, well, there will be a holy war per say and they will lose.
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CoolMax
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Thai
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All true in a perfect world...but how many Sunni's willing to change their beliefs? Read up on Sunni's and what they believe. Very different to Shi'ites. Once you read up on that, then you will see why what i wrote above is true.
Are you so sure that WE see the threat? Recent terrorist attacks on our soil caught FBI/CIA/POTUS by surprise. You sure we are safe from what is happening to Europe? Isn't our POTUS and Mrs. Clinton talking about bringing in even more refugees?
Again, these "radical" Islam terrorists are NOT crazies. They are following their religious beliefs to the fullest...they are the true descendants of Mohammad...and will be rewarded by their God in the afterlife for their terrorists acts.
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No disagreement but how do you quantify thought and not discriminate with out violating constitutional rights? The real question that was unanswered by the speaker! You know when the NDAA and Patriot Act was passed that someone capitalized on the timing and took something from all of us and we committed no actual crime. It's was passed across party lines.....
POTUS really? That's a stretch as he is briefed like everyone else with those clearances.....did Bush actually miss the lead up to 9/11? I don't put that in his blame toolbag at all but I trust that they are doing the best that they can do with a certain level of balance as the the future repercussions of their actions and they will always miss something. Bush's wars were with Afghanistan & Iraq, Obama's will be with a religion if he is not careful. You do see the difference right?
"Crazies" is a misnomer but it is loosely used to describe true radicals. I am sure you know the difference but maybe it's a sticking point for you.
Thai
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So, now you are all in support of constitutional rights? :noidea:
Don't worry, Obama won't have a war against anything at this time.
Sunni's...educate yourself dude.
I guess you have nothing further to add constructively so you you regress to "it's Obama's fault and I am uninformed"? OK.............:bathbaby:
Victor_inox
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Every religious fanatics are crazy, not limited to Muslims.
Everyone believe in any Supreme being is crazy.
IMHO anyway.
Every not scientific theory is just that theory. no proof whatsoever.
Thai
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Huh? Your viewpoint lacks understanding of Sunni's beliefs.
I am all science and proof...but a little of me still believe in greater things in life not explained. I am human after all. (No, i don't belong to any religion, but i do believe in a greater good.)
CoolMax
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That's Barack HUSSEIN Obama to you, sir.
