New tundras have LED fogs factory
GoodBye 4Runner (after 8 months)
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New tundras have LED fogs factory
Jetboy
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This is a weld on a 2018 Jeep JL frame. It either ran out of shielding gas or had impurities in the weld. Again - that's a brand new 2018 JL wrangler. The same folks who make Ram trucks. And this not only happened, but made it out of the factory and sold to a customer. The welding robots at Toyota not only weld but also X ray the welds after. The robot that welded that knew it was messed up even without an xray. And someone at FCA just let it go. And there are a lot of similar pictures I can show you from different JL wranglers.
I certainly agree that all vehicles are better than they once were. Today's GM 1500 is far superior to a 2000 GM 1500. If I wasn't planning to keep it for a long time and I didn't intend to use it off road, I would take a harder look at a GM or Ford truck. FCA products are not good enough to even consider for me. Of they were - I'd be driving a wrangler.
And when those welds are on things like the track bar bracket (this happened at 600 miles, totally stock) - someone is going to get killed by this poor quality manufacturing. Do you trust them to manufacture complex electronics or high precision parts for the engine/transmission? If this is what we can see- imagine what you don't see:
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txvstrom
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I did the exact opposite. 2018 TSS OffRoad 4dr Crewmax Tundra with the 5.7 to a 2018 TRD OffRoad 4Runner...in 8 months.
The Tundra was VERY comfy and ran like a spotted ape but it just didn't "do it" for me. * months later I signed on my 4Runner.
Didn't help that the best the Tundra ever got was 12.8mpg...:wow:
The Tundra was VERY comfy and ran like a spotted ape but it just didn't "do it" for me. * months later I signed on my 4Runner.
Didn't help that the best the Tundra ever got was 12.8mpg...:wow:
Congrats on the Tundra! I cross shopped the big 3 and bought a ‘17 Crewmax last year (coming from a 2007 GMC Sierra). Why? All the trucks drove nice and had nice interiors. Pretty sure I could sell the Tundra today for what I paid for it new. Try that with a GM, Ford or Dodge.
A somewhat related aside - I read an article today that said GM makes $35,000 on each $73,000 Escalade they sell. Even at $15,000 off sticker, that’s still a nice profit margin and also explains the HUGE discounts that pile drive resale values for those who buy rather than lease. That said, imagine how much Toyota is making on every Tundra and 4R they sell considering they haven’t changed much in so long. Then again, if it ain’t broke...
A somewhat related aside - I read an article today that said GM makes $35,000 on each $73,000 Escalade they sell. Even at $15,000 off sticker, that’s still a nice profit margin and also explains the HUGE discounts that pile drive resale values for those who buy rather than lease. That said, imagine how much Toyota is making on every Tundra and 4R they sell considering they haven’t changed much in so long. Then again, if it ain’t broke...
PatrickBateman
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Did the opposite. Traded my 2017 crewmax 4x4 limited for a 4Runner TRD Pro.
Got tired of driving/having an oversized truck and pretty bad gas mileage. Can’t beat the bullet proof Powertrain though.
Got tired of driving/having an oversized truck and pretty bad gas mileage. Can’t beat the bullet proof Powertrain though.
Yea, I can't believe those weld problems haven't gained more attention yet. Don't get me wrong, I cross-shopped the Wrangler and Grand Cherokee (in 2016) and it was clear from those respective forums that the 4Runner was the right choice. But at that time, only the Wrangler really competed with the 4runner and was just as outdated. The GC forums were a total mess -- exactly what I expected for FCA products. But in terms of pickups, the F-150 and Silverado/Sierra definitely aren't total shit, and will be interesting to see what these next-gen trucks are like.
RUNTHAT
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This!
Kamalani Mahie
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bump :tape2:
SteadfastZach
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To each their own. I was able to lower my financial obligation by $86 per month. And not that I need to explain my future plans or ideas in my head. But I don’t usually keep a vehicle till it’s paid off anyway. So why not have a lower pmt and get something new in 3years or less. It’s a Tundra, one of the few vehicles that have the best chance to be worth more than the loan balance. I’m happy
To each their own. I was able to lower my financial obligation by $86 per month. And not that I need to explain my future plans or ideas in my head. But I don’t usually keep a vehicle till it’s paid off anyway. So why not have a lower pmt and get something new in 3years or less. It’s a Tundra, one of the few vehicles that have the best chance to be worth more than the loan balance. I’m happy
Sorry. I was rude. Let me say this another way. The Toyota Tundra is an amazing vehicle. It's also extraordinarily expensive. I'm a Dave Ramsey guy. He taught me to never take credit, always pay cash and as a result I am not a borrower and therefore a slave to no one.
Debt is modern slavery. Instead of the whip, the banks lease us trucks. And we toil in our jobs to make those payments. Spending money on any vehicle is a bad investment bc it is a depreciating asset. And therefore renting one is even worse.
I hope you enjoy your truck but there are those out there that don't understand these principals and need to hear the truth so they are tricked into making the same colossal mistake.
Louise
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While that is true, keeping the vehicle in the context of a person's life is also important. The soda, popcorn, fried foods, candy bars all are bad investments for your health and will end up costing you a lot of money (medications, doctor visits, ER visits, procedures, surgery, etc) yet people continue to do it because they want to enjoy life.
If a truck is what your heart desires and brings you joy in your life, I say the truck is worth every penny.
GearJunkie88
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Oh... first world problems
Kenny Powers
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Congrats on the rad ride.
I love the Tundra and really want one some day. I just can’t pull the trigger with that MPG. I’m hopeful in the future there will be incrsssd MPG so it’s a viable option for me.
I love the Tundra and really want one some day. I just can’t pull the trigger with that MPG. I’m hopeful in the future there will be incrsssd MPG so it’s a viable option for me.
docsnavely
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I read a Popular Mechanics article where they profiled the JK assembly line and its workers. One of them was a water inspector and her job was to look for water collection points, potential water damage, and welds prone to water damage on all JKs coming off the line. That they need that position says something. That they have that position and still miss shit like that is just pathetic.
And that's why the majority of America is one paycheck away from calamity.
hardyplante
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Congrats on the tundra! I agree with the comments on the price point. I have a GMC Sierra not Denali but loaded up pretty well. I was blown away the other day when I looked at the tundras with my wife. The platinum only being in the 50k range surprised me. (I went in thinking it would be close to the GMC 70k+ yah).
Plus the tundra holds their value. At the end of the lease if you buy it out, you’ll still have a truck worth something. I’m holding out on the tundra know with hopes that they make a 3/4 ton in the future, hopefully with a decent size diesel.
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Plus the tundra holds their value. At the end of the lease if you buy it out, you’ll still have a truck worth something. I’m holding out on the tundra know with hopes that they make a 3/4 ton in the future, hopefully with a decent size diesel.
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As your post illustrates, Dave Ramsey disciples are the vegans of the financial world. They might be right about much of what they so smugly intone, but goldamn are they insufferable to be around.
