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[ur7x]

Or when he expanded the powers of the Executive Branch to sign and execute orders and "agreements" previously only allowed by Congress?

Such as? Care to give an example of a piece of legislation that was NOT preexisting and created by Bush 43? You know it is funny, I warned my fellow Republicans that the powers granted the executive branch in the Patriot Act might sound like a good idea at the time, but how excited will they be with the legislation if the President is Democrat.

At the time they told me I didn't know what I was talking about... Today they are all in full panic mode.

 

[RunninInGA]

Such as? Care to give an example of a piece of legislation that was NOT preexisting and created by Bush 43? You know it is funny, I warned my fellow Republicans that the powers granted the executive branch in the Patriot Act might sound like a good idea at the time, but how excited will they be with the legislation if the President is Democrat.

At the time they told me I didn't know what I was talking about... Today they are all in full panic mode.

Here's a recent one. Erroneously labelled an agreement so that Congress wasn't required to vote on it for passage.

If You Thought SOPA Was Bad, Just Wait Until You Meet ACTA - Forbes

Let me point this out for you before you throw it back at me claiming it was a Bush era snafu: "The Bush administration started the process, but the Obama administration has aggressively pursued it." For the record, I never said Bush or the Republicans had / have the answers. They're both sides of the same coins as far as I'm concerned and all have the same puppet-masters controlling their actions.

 

[tbst]

Its the racial overtones coming out again, IMO.

Nobody said a word about Laura Bush.

Conservative men like their women to be seen and not heard. And the especially dislike them spending their money.

Woman who think for themselves and don't kill people in car accidents aren't liked in the Republican establishment.

BTW, not trying to call anyone specifically out n being racist.

 

[tbst]

Are you a member of the Republican party?

 

[BrianSD_42]

well i suggest toning down the republican bashing because the dems are not that much better. that is why I am an independent now.

It was the Obama administration that passed the 2012 NDAA and is running huge deficits, afraid to raise taxes or cut spending, basically not leading.


both parties are corrupt. Chris Dodd and Harry Reid just tried to shove SOPA / PIPA onto us.

Obama has also escalated the war in Afghanistan (30k troops up to 120k) and never thoroughly investigated the banks.

 

[tbst]

well i suggest toning down the republican bashing because the dems are not that much better. that is why I am an independent now.

It was the Obama administration that passed the 2012 NDAA and is running huge deficits, afraid to raise taxes or cut spending, basically not leading.


both parties are corrupt. Chris Dodd and Harry Reid just tried to shove SOPA / PIPA onto us.

Obama has also escalated the war in Afghanistan (30k troops up to 120k) and never thoroughly investigated the banks.

Not nearly has hypocritical in their general arguments.

Against abortion. Not willing to help children born into poverty get out. Let alone have health insurance.

For following the Constitution. Outraged Obama has made efforts to separate church and state.

Against earmarks, swears them off. Ok if earmarks are for your own district.

Loves America. Willing to bring America to brink of not paying debts for political showmanship.

We want tax cuts! For the rich.

Unemployed people is an atrocity. Won't vote to continue unemployment benefits unless Bush tax cuts for rich are extended.

Land of the free! Unless you are gay.

Land of the free! Unless you aren't a Christian!

 

[ur7x]

Here's a recent one. Erroneously labelled an agreement so that Congress wasn't required to vote on it for passage.

If You Thought SOPA Was Bad, Just Wait Until You Meet ACTA - Forbes

Let me point this out for you before you throw it back at me claiming it was a Bush era snafu: "The Bush administration started the process, but the Obama administration has aggressively pursued it." For the record, I never said Bush or the Republicans had / have the answers. They're both sides of the same coins as far as I'm concerned and all have the same puppet-masters controlling their actions.

Like I said show me a new one...Obama actively pursued lots of things that Bush 43 started... Saving GM, Socializing the Banks, saving Freddy and Fanny, expanding healthcare, the Patriot Act, Nation building, running up a huge debt, stimulus packages, tax cuts, cap and trade, Solyndra, Killing Bin Laden, etc, this is not a short list.

I think one of the things that the talk radio folks hate more than anything is else is that almost everything that he has done (or finished) was started by Bush 43.

 

[tbst]

well just to clear up a few things ...

The Bush tax cuts are now the Bush/Obama tax cuts for the rich. He signed the bill, he owns it. If he didnt believe in it then he should have used a veto.

Obama has done about as little for the poor / working poor as Nixon did, possibly less than Nixon.

Obama does not support gay marriage either. Yes he is supportive gays in the military but ONLY after all the generals came out in favor of it including Robert Gates.

Obama's justice department has deported more undocumented persons than GW did in 07 and 08.

Democrats are pretty aweful on earmarks as well.

Obama has been pretty terrible on "the constitution" actually worse than Bush II was. NDAA, killing an American citizen without trial, elimination of habeous corpus.

SORRY, but the Obama lovefest among liberals needs to end. This prez is to the right of Richard Nixon and is not an effective leader. He is not able to beat his enemies and rarely even fights for what he claims to stand for.

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And the solution is Ron Paul? Ron Paul, the effective leader. That is laughable.

Obama HAD to sign the Bush tax cuts or leave people on long term unemployment out in the cold.

Democrats didn't swear off earmarks right when they got in office in 2006, like Republican's did in 2010.

Obama does support gay marriage, however he can't support it because of all the overbearing Christians that are out there (many democrats). All the people whose sins will be forgiven, so they can act like total a$$hats.

Once again, Obama can't do much. You need this thing called cloture to get anything done in the Senate. Need 60 people for that.

The Turtle (McConnell) isn't willing to work with anyone other than proponents of restoring turtle habitat.

I will agree that at times he does have a weak backbone. He should have let the US default.

 

[RunninInGA]

Its the racial overtones coming out again, IMO.

Nobody said a word about Laura Bush.

Conservative men like their women to be seen and not heard. And the especially dislike them spending their money.

Woman who think for themselves and don't kill people in car accidents aren't liked in the Republican establishment.

BTW, not trying to call anyone specifically out n being racist.

Now we are racist because we see things differently than you and your Democrat friends. I was enjoying the discussion, but refuse to participate further. You don't know me any further than what I've posted on this form - OR any more than I know you beyond the same, however you've crossed the line of what I believe to be acceptable.

 

[tbst]

Now we are racist because we see things differently than you and your Democrat friends. I was enjoying the discussion, but refuse to participate further. You don't know me any further than what I've posted on this form - OR any more than I know you beyond the same, however you've crossed the line of what I believe to be acceptable.

I never said you were racist.

And I went back and edited to explicitly say I wasn't calling you out as being racist.

I said it is the racial overtones coming out again, referring to brianemc2_42's comment on why Michelle Obama gets raked over the coals. Same racial overtones that fired the Obama not being a US citizen deal. Same racial overtones that Obama is the food stamp president. Same racial overtones as Santorum saying bla---. Same overtones are Ron Paul knowingly publishing outrageously racist newsletters.

Don't take things personally, as it was not aimed at you. Come on, I found your missed connections ad this morning, and then tonight I am going to call you a racist?

 

[RunninInGA]

I never said you were racist.

And I went back and edited to explicitly say I wasn't calling you out as being racist.

I said it is the racial overtones coming out again, referring to brianemc2_42's comment on why Michelle Obama gets raked over the coals. Same racial overtones that fired the Obama not being a US citizen deal. Same racial overtones that Obama is the food stamp president. Same racial overtones as Santorum saying bla---. Same overtones are Ron Paul knowingly publishing outrageously racist newsletters.

Don't take things personally, as it was not aimed at you. Come on, I found your missed connections ad this morning, and then tonight I am going to call you a racist?

Not me personally, but the race card issue cannot be totally defended against and in my opinion is an underhanded response to what was an adult conversation. I happen to believe Allen West would make an excellent candidate and I actually volunteered with herman cains efforts early on. That said, Cynthia McKinney and current congressman David Scott are f'in idiots.

You say race motivates discontent with obamas performance, I'm suggesting it's discontent with his performance and policies that is motivating the discontent with his performance.

 

[BrianSD_42]

You say race motivates discontent with obamas performance, I'm suggesting it's discontent with his performance and policies that is motivating the discontent with his performance.

Nicely put. The race thing will always be a touchy subject.

Conservatives would get a lot of slack in my book if they would stop personally attacking his wife. I don't think it is appropriate or honorable to slander a man's wife this way.

 

[ndcent]

Santorum's very real current gay hatred > Paul's loose at best ties to old racist propaganda.

 

[ur7x]

Still waiting for one of these new laws that Obama created that gave all of these new powers to the office of the president...

Last night Santorum (don't google that) was saying that Obama bailed out the banks! :lmao: Was Santorum asleep during the economic apocalypse that was the Fall of 2008. Does he not know how a calender works! Obama took office in January of 2009 (it was in all of the papers). He needs to go back to preschool and learn about the concept of BEFORE and AFTER. He seems a little confused on this point.

He then went on to say that Obama thinks that he is smarter than you or I... I don't know if that is true, but I willing to bet that Obama knows that the bank bail out started almost 6 months BEFORE he took office. He might not be smarter than you or I, but he is definitely smarter than the guy in the sweater vest.

That's it, I'm no longer undecided, Rick has convinced me, I'm now a FULL Ron Paul Supporter, goofy insane gold standard and all.

 

[Clemsonfan15]

So can someone tell me or link me to what Ron Paul supposedly published?

All that I found was "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet of foot they can be".

That doesn't bother me at all and don't know why people would make a big deal out of that. I've heard stuff that is 100x worse.

 

[tbst]

So can someone tell me or link me to what Ron Paul supposedly published?

All that I found was "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet of foot they can be".

That doesn't bother me at all and don't know why people would make a big deal out of that. I've heard stuff that is 100x worse.

Ron Paul and the racist newsletters (Fact Checker biography) - The Washington Post

"Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began....What if the checks had never arrived? No doubt the blacks would have fully privatized the welfare state through continued looting."

Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

Paul's story changes on racial comments

 

[tbst]

Not me personally, but the race card issue cannot be totally defended against and in my opinion is an underhanded response to what was an adult conversation.

Saying it is underhanded is an easy way to deny a phenomena that is very rampant in the Republican party.

From voting history, minorities also feel the same way.

I happen to believe Allen West would make an excellent candidate and I actually volunteered with herman cains efforts early on.

If we were a player in the Sims, I think Herman Cain would be my candidate too, because I know my taxes would stay the same.

The game allows players to create virtual cities and build the rules for their virtual societies. The default tax plan bears a striking resemblance to Cain’s 9-9-9 plan: a 9% housing tax, a 9% commercial tax and a 9% industrial tax. (Cain’s plan would impose a 9% personal income tax, a 9% business tax and a 9% sales tax.)

Herman Cain Pokemon | 9-9-9: Herman Cain's tax plan exists in another world - Los Angeles Times

You say race motivates discontent with obamas performance, I'm suggesting it's discontent with his performance and policies that is motivating the discontent with his performance.

Never said that. I said that the outrageous attacks on his character and nationality and those of his wife are a result of racial overtones of the Republican party. They are there.

 

[BrianSD_42]

it simply seems like a political hatchet job to me. No reporter has been able to produce ANY evidence that disproves Ron P's claim that
1) he didnt write it
2) he disavowed is at the time
3) those comments were in a flyer for his newsletter written by a third party.

To my knowledge the actual documents havent been produced for public viewing. Why is that? CNN is a really $hitty hack news organization. Why are these supposed flyers not on their website or anywhere for that matter?

This whole thing is simply another hit job against RP.

I dont support racism but if he didnt write it then he didnt write it, it is that simple.

ohh yes and I do agree that Hermain Cain is an idiot and his 9-9-9 plan is a total F'N joke.

 

[tbst]

it simply seems like a political hatchet job to me. No reporter has been able to produce ANY evidence that disproves Ron P's claim that
1) he didnt write it
2) he disavowed is at the time
3) those comments were in a flyer for his newsletter written by a third party.

To my knowledge the actual documents havent been produced for public viewing. Why is that? CNN is a really $hitty hack news organization. Why are these supposed flyers not on their website or anywhere for that matter?

This whole thing is simply another hit job against RP.

I dont support racism but if he didnt write it then he didnt write it, it is that simple.

ohh yes and I do agree that Hermain Cain is an idiot and his 9-9-9 plan is a total F'N joke.

Not to burst your bubble, but here is a link with many PDFs of the actual newsletters. Yes, The New Republic is a liberal media outlet, however PDFs are PDFs.

TNR Exclusive: A Collection Of Ron Paul

 

[Clemsonfan15]

Ron Paul and the racist newsletters (Fact Checker biography) - The Washington Post

"Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began....What if the checks had never arrived? No doubt the blacks would have fully privatized the welfare state through continued looting."

Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

Paul's story changes on racial comments

Still hard for me to believer Paul actually wrote that.

Even if he did it doesn't bother me. I don't see anything wrong with what I read.